Just use electric gel with the electric flesh tonic and the upgraded chemical thrower. He can't even move. 
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Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I beat it pretty easy, too. As I understand it, the end boss encounter is very different depending on which ending you got.
It's exactly the same, unfortunately. 
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Maradon! said this about your mom:
It can't possibly be the same if all the little sisters are dead.
It is, right down to them coming out en masse and stabbing Fontaine to death . The ending is different, but absolutely everything leading up to it including becoming a Big Daddy is the same.
Unless they simply intended the "good" ending to be the true one.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Mortious who doth quote:
I think they fuxed the achievements up. Since you get 2 achievements if you save the little sisters (Dealt with all the Little Sisters & Little Sister Savior). But only 1 if you kill them all (Dealt with all the Little Sisters).Unless they simply intended the "good" ending to be the true one.
I'm not following your line of reasoning here... the achievements have nothing to do with the legitimacy of the endings, they're just meaningless little collectibles.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Greenlit who doth quote:
Gamer Points are not meaningless.
Why not?
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Mortious had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I think they fuxed the achievements up. Since you get 2 achievements if you save the little sisters (Dealt with all the Little Sisters & Little Sister Savior). But only 1 if you kill them all (Dealt with all the Little Sisters).Unless they simply intended the "good" ending to be the true one.
Achievements are pretty meaningless, but the bad ending was pretty terrible and I think they were using the bad ending as a motivator to play through the manly way
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Maradon! said:
I'm not following your line of reasoning here... the achievements have nothing to do with the legitimacy of the endings, they're just meaningless little collectibles.
I'm just trying to reason out why they made it like that and not one or the other.
I don't collect achievements really. If you looked at my gamertag you'd see barely any games with more than half the achievements collected. I see them more as "secondary goals" to the game and they add to my enjoyment of the game when I get one.
3 harvested = 480
3 saved = 440 + hypnotize plasmid + ammo
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http://sexyvideogameland.blogspot.com/2007/08/mechanics-of-choice.html
Could it be though, that we as players have been conditioned to look at our gaming experience as a cost-benefit analysis? What is it, exactly, that we're hoping to "get" from a game that offers us choices? ....What is the crux of choice? When we make decisions in life, like which college to go to or what to do on a Friday night, it's true we are deciding between disparate experiences. But those kinds of choices are actually fewer and farther between than you might think, and, surprisingly, are not the ones we remember most. Think back to a time in your life where you had to choose -- chances are, the flashpoints that stick with you were times when you asked yourself not, "what do I want to do," but "what do I want to be?" At those times, the cost-benefit analysis was almost irrelevant as you sought to reconcile your soul with itself.
Kegwen fucked around with this message on 09-03-2007 at 05:07 PM.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Kegwen said:
There was an article I read about how the choice is fairly weak in terms of affecting your gameplay, but it's still a compelling choice if you can manage to play a game without approaching every decision as only "what results in the most power/best ending/whatever for me?"
Perhaps if the choice was meaningful from a narrative standpoint things would be different. With the exception of the endings, the differences between saving and harvesting are so small as to make them nonexistant.
Saving
A few words of praise from Tenenbaum for each 3 saved when you get a gift, being talked of nicely by the little sisters in her hideout.
Harvesting
The little sisters in the hideout tell others to stay away from you, but they still help you in the exact same manner as if you had saved them.
Hell, people who saved the Little Sisters really didn't need to become a Big Daddy since Tenenbaum could conceivably send one of the girls you saved up to open it for you, though the damage reduction from the suit is nice not to mention the ability to backtrack without being bothered by splicers.
However, I realize that it would have been nearly like developing two different games after the halfway point of the narrative. Unfortunately that wasn't exactly feasible with time and money considerations in this multi-million dollar game development world so I don't really hold the narrative similarities against them.
I think I only used one First Aid Kit on the last boss, only because strafing in a tight circle around him almost guarantees he won't be able to hit you. Most of the damage caused by the extra shit in the room was healed easily by Bloodcraze or w/e that plasmid is.
The only weapons you really need are the wrench, crossbow and a few misc plasmids.
Even the crossbow was all but useless during the escort mission and parts where there were multiple enemies already aware of you spawning. During these parts I ended up using either the shotgun or the tommy gun with AP bullets. Even the pistol got it's share of use as a fast camera popper.
Did anyone else feel that eve was too scarce to try to use as your main weapon? One of the things the game seemed to try to sell you on was being able to use plasmids over weapons as a play style, but I just couldn't see it being possible without spending a fortune at the vending machines.
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We were all impressed when Ragabash wrote:
Personally I used the pistol most of the game. I could never get used to the crossbow, and had no desire to be an up close and personal fighter with the wrench. Pistol and sometimes tommy gun for splicers, and grenade launcher and electric buck shotgun shells for Big Daddies.Did anyone else feel that eve was too scarce to try to use as your main weapon? One of the things the game seemed to try to sell you on was being able to use plasmids over weapons as a play style, but I just couldn't see it being possible without spending a fortune at the vending machines.
using plasmids = using eve hypos = not using ammo for GUNZ = not having to buy any ammo = oodles of cash even if you did have to buy ammo for GUNZ.
Edit: Also apparently you can freeze hackable objects to make them easier to hack. Delphi Aegis fucked around with this message on 09-04-2007 at 12:18 AM.
My favorite Plasmid, I think, was Electro-Bolt. Zap and whack, zap and whack, with Incinerate! a close second. There are like a million tonics you can get to get more Eve.
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Delphi Aegis was naked while typing this:
using plasmids = using eve hypos = not using ammo for GUNZ = not having to buy any ammo = oodles of cash even if you did have to buy ammo for GUNZ.Edit: Also apparently you can freeze hackable objects to make them easier to hack.
You get far more gun ammo than eve hypos in your travels. The only reason I ever bought ammo from a vendor was if I had nothing better to do with the cash and I was at the limit.
As far as what Parce said, I'll admit I didn't pay attention to tonics that dealt with eve, so yah, maybe thats the route you'd have to take.
Speaking of cash, did anyone else think it was odd that you had a thousands place on your cash counter, but it maxed out at $500? hehe.
Also, there's usually a few vending machines in every area that sell Eve Hypos, and they never cost more than $20, whereas most ammo costs more than $20. So it isn't like it's easy to run out of Eve.
On the other hand, I found that later on in the game, a lot of my money went towards buying more shotgun bucks.
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Check out the big brain on Mr. Parcelan!
My favorite Plasmid, I think, was Electro-Bolt. Zap and whack, zap and whack, with Incinerate! a close second. There are like a million tonics you can get to get more Eve.
That is how I'm playing through too. Have a super powered wrench thanks to tonics, and I go through eve pretty fast. Then again, I buy a ton from CIRCUS OF VALUES too. I still have maxed out money, and I'm not done with the whole Cohen thing yet. Any time I need specialized ammo, I just invent it. Mostly with trap bolts for Big Daddy disposal. Then I use whatever gun I have AP ammo for or bust out some explosive buck with my fully upgraded shotgun.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Kegwen who doth quote:
I hacked every camera except the ones I couldn't reach. Who destroys them seriously
There's no fucking point to hacking the ones later in the game. You pass them once and they'll never spot anything, and you only waste a lot of time in even getting to them to hack in the first place.
I really like the machinegun - I upgraded it early on with the kickback reducer and damage boost, and it's easily as good as the shotgun. Two Anti-personnel rounds will take out the slicers in fort frolic, and the ammo is easy to come by at the u-invents and vending machines. It's not like I ever spend my money on other stuff.
Also, boozehound is the best tonic. I don't mind the drunk effect (I run around with the wrench out whenever drunk), and booze is EVERYWHERE in the game so being able to restore a bit of health/eve in nearly every room is amazingly useful. Khyron fucked around with this message on 09-04-2007 at 09:36 AM.
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A sleep deprived Maradon! stammered:
There's no fucking point to hacking the ones later in the game. You pass them once and they'll never spot anything, and you only waste a lot of time in even getting to them to hack in the first place.
Your game must have sucked more than mine. I had cameras spotting guys in the last levels where you can do that kind of thing.
Mostly the guys that would respawn and then come attack your character from behind while you're exploring.
There's nothing more fucking annoying than exploring Fort Frolic, wading through drowned studios, taking in the ambience and creepiness of it all, wondering if that statue is really a statue, then finding Sander Cohen's "take the ears off" diary and having it all ruined by a camera alarm going off and the whistling security bots showing up to take twenty minutes to kill a guy that I could ice in one shotgun blast.
"Here's the entrance to the hospital... Better put a turret here"
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Stalwart Steve who doth quote:
Irrational seems to be the best at making games with illogically placed turrets"Here's the entrance to the hospital... Better put a turret here"
"Let's place this RPG turret right up next to the wall so that it blows itself up as you turn the bend to approach it."
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There was much rejoicing when Stalwart Steve said this:
Irrational seems to be the best at making games with illogically placed turrets"Here's the entrance to the hospital... Better put a turret here"
Well, ya have to, ya know. Otherwise the hospital would be full of sick people if they could just walk in.
And you know what a bunch of whiny bastiges they can be.
"Here we have an empty room. Uh... Turrets"
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
"Don't want to sound like a fanboy, but I am with you. I'll buy it for sure, it's just a matter of for how long I will be playing it..."
- Silvast, Battle.net forums
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Callalron loves Parcelan like a fat kid loves cake
Well, ya have to, ya know. Otherwise the hospital would be full of sick people if they could just walk in.And you know what a bunch of whiny bastiges they can be.
Given Andrew Ryan's thoughts on the subject, that actually makes a lot of sense.
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Khyron had this to say about Captain Planet:
I've just completed Fort Frolic, but I think I sorta broke it. I rescued 3 little sisters in that level, yet once I returned to cohen's masterpiece , there was a 4th little sister wandering around. I took out her bubbly friend and rescued her, giving me 4/3 rescued. Since the garden didn't have any more upgrades I wanted, I had planned to return to arcadia and get more tonic slots there (I've found that tonic slots and health/eve upgrades are available from specific garden locations - plasmids and tonics carry over to all gardens, but the slots/upgrades don't) but when I entered the bathysphere, I was informed that I had not rescued all the little sisters on the level. Searching the level, I couldn't find any more.
The same happenend to me. No consequences.
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Tarquinn was listening to Cher while typing:
The same happenend to me. No consequences.
Yeah, me too. And then I got the "all little sisters dealt with" achievement when there was still one left. 
