I'm pretty excited about Ron Paul, really. Besides the whole "lolbertarian" slings and arrows, I'm thrilled at his ideas of small government.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Callalron wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Right now I'm backing Rudy Guliani. He seems like the best of the Republican candidates I couldn't vote for any of the Democrats if you put a gun to my head.
HE WAS ALSO MAYOR DURING 9/11.
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Vorbis impressed everyone with:
Sen. Brownback all the way!
GTFO
Ryuujin fucked around with this message on 06-20-2007 at 04:59 AM.
Fred Thompson is ideologically very similar to Ron Paul, only more focus on economics and less so on social issues. Personally, I'm a little skeptical of his sincerity. I could more easily see him winning a republican nomination than I could Ron Paul, however. A lot of people watch "Law & Order", and that's just the kind of society we live in today.
Rudy Giuliani is kinda iffy. While he's awesomely secular and to me seems like a genuinely good candidate, a lot of Giuliani's beliefs are uncertain, and he has balked at answering questions about abortion and gay rights on a couple occasions. Also, while he pays lip service to reganomics, some of the things he's done in the past run contrary to that. Still, I see Giuliani as the most likely candidate to win a republican nomination, and while I'd be happier if a candidate with more solidly defined beliefs won, I'd have no problem voting for Rudy.
One odd thing about 2008 is that, for once, there seems to be a wealth of fairly good republican candidates. Other people to keep an eye out for: Tom Tancredo, Mitt Romney, and even Newt Gingrich.
In terms of the democrats, it doesn't really matter to me who wins their primaries since it's a choice between three people with virtually identical ideologies, all marxist. For what it's worth though, I think the glow coming off Bill Clinton is bright enough in the far left for Hillary, the extremist of the bunch, to win out, which is probably a good thing because I do not think Hillary has even a remote chance of winning a national election. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-20-2007 at 05:01 AM.
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Pvednes had this to say about (_|_):
Dear Americans: Please don't pick the Democrats.
Why?
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Tarquinn said this about your mom:
Why?
Either Hillary or Obama as US president would be a bit of a setback for us. Perhaps not you, but us yes.
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Pvednes wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Either Hillary or Obama as US president would be a bit of a setback for us. Perhaps not you, but us yes.
Elaborate, if you don't mind. I'm always curious as to how our politics affects everyone else.
Further, if our elections affect you, everyone on this board will vote Republican...if you call us 'daddy.'
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Azizza had this to say about Captain Planet:
Giuliani and McCain are RINOs not Republicans. Right now the best bet on our side looks like Fred Thompson.
Ha ha ha ha, holy shit.
I don't think McCain will live long enough to see the primaries, honestly. The dude is ancient.
How's stuff, Azizza?
Understandably, as I do not think a pro-life candidate has much of a chance in 2008. People are tired of religious fundamentalism.
My main problem with Giuliani is that I don't know if he's enough of an idealist to take the kind of significant action that we need in order to further improve our economic situation right now.
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Mr. Parcelan impressed everyone with:
Elaborate, if you don't mind. I'm always curious as to how our politics affects everyone else.Further, if our elections affect you, everyone on this board will vote Republican...if you call us 'daddy.'
It's mostly a matter of our forces in Iraq. We don't want any withdrawls happening before we're actually finished there. It'd be disasterous to leave it in civil war--which is exactly what Obama wants to do, and what we'd have to do immediately if America leaves first. Hillary isn't much better on that, but she is much more obnoxious.
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Check out the big brain on Pvednes!
Well, all I'm saying is we need to finish up in Iraq before we go.
The question is what's the finish?
Pull out and let them kill each other and hope another dictator shows up to take power?
Stay there and do...what?
Who knows.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Mr. Parcelan booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Stay there and do...what?Who knows.
Foster a democracy that can defend itself, withdrawing troops as they're no longer needed but maintaining a presence for decades?
Like we did in germany? maybe?
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Maradon! obviously shouldn't have said:
Pro Tip: there actually is no civil war in Iraq
If Iraq is left standing on one leg and no stilts, then civil war is exactly what will happen.
Too many power-hungry bastards over there who will not think about the long term consequences of their actions.
I'm not following politics nearly as close as I used to.
As for me, I'm very meh about the current field. Also, it's only June of '07, so I'm not paying close attention.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Khyron attempted to be funny by writing:
What's a good resource for a person who doesn't understand politics and economics (Beyond managing personal finances)? I'd like to try to make an educated, informed decision but this stuff always confuses the hell out of me.
Read all the news sources you can. Each one is kilted off to one side, but you can form your own opinion on the matters.
Check out the canidate's web sites. Normally, their stances on issues are there in black and white.
Then, if you want to do the extra legwork to be sure, look up how they voted on certain issues in the past. That will let you know if they flipflop much.
Dont stick with any one media source. The best way to get informed is to do your own research, though hardly any bother to do so anymore.
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This one time, at Khyron camp:
What's a good resource for a person who doesn't understand politics and economics (Beyond managing personal finances)? I'd like to try to make an educated, informed decision but this stuff always confuses the hell out of me.
Look at all sources and make a judgment.
The general overview of politics is that both sides are for social engineering. To say that either side is for small government would be a misdirection.
Most Republican platforms cover anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, pro-gun rights, pro-religion, tough on crime, isolationism.
Most Democrat platforms cover pro-abortion, pro-gay rights, pro-socialism, pro-world unity, anti-war, anti-"religious engineering."
We Libertarians are for as small a government as possible.
Everyone else is a loser.
I don't care about the election, but I really just don't want Hillary Clinton to be president. 
Whatever the outcome, I'm sure America will hate their leader just as much as they have pretty much my whole life. 
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Blindy. who doth quote:
I would vote for Ron Paul if he had a snowball's chance in hell, which he doesn't. The religious fundamentalists may not be able to decide the Presidential election in 2008, but they sure as shit can fuck up the primaries.
This is sad but true
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Blindy.ing:
It's not "Pro-Abortion." That would be saying that abortion is a wonderful thing and everyone should go get one. It's "Pro-choice." Yes, there is a difference.
I like to call it "anti-the-government-decides-what-goes-on-in-my-pants"
That's a good thing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
A quick look at how things work in the rest of the world will reveal why it's a rather good thing that we have a two-party system that doesn't really allow outsiders much of a chance to run the country. Our government is designed, in all its facets, to prevent drastic changes one way or the other as a result of elections. Slow change from within is really the only method that works.That's a good thing.
Two is better than one. Especially since one does not actually control the other, as evidenced by the idiocy on both sides.
Funny how the forefathers warned adamantely against the party setup though.
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We were all impressed when Bloodsage wrote:
I agree, Parce: Rue Paul would make an awesome President!
get aids faggot
