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Malbi fucked around with this message on 04-13-2007 at 10:57 PM.
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Malbi painfully thought these words up:
One with nothing is tons better than a card that by its very design is useless by itself...
Uh, how is One with Nothing not useless by itself?
The only way it does anything productive is if you are relying on at least one other card that does something with either you discarding cards, or having 0 cards in hand or whatnot
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Vorago had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Uh, how is One with Nothing not useless by itself?The only way it does anything productive is if you are relying on at least one other card that does something with either you discarding cards, or having 0 cards in hand or whatnot
It makes you discard your hand one way or another thats an effect it did something.
you play the 8/0 it goes straight to the graveyard acomplishing nothing while One with Nothing has had some kind of effect regardless of what else was in hand and besides there are hundreds of cards that can benefit from it being played while there's maybe a dozen cards period that can even keep the 8/0 alive when it hits play and even then with 1 toughness its going to probably die before you ever get to swing with it. The only decent combination you can pull off with it might be with pandemonium out and it becomes a 8 point direct damage glorfied magic.
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Malbi wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
It makes you discard your hand one way or another thats an effect it did something.
you play the 8/0 it goes straight to the graveyard acomplishing nothing while One with Nothing has had some kind of effect regardless of what else was in hand and besides there are hundreds of cards that can benefit from it being played while there's maybe a dozen cards period that can even keep the 8/0 alive when it hits play and even then with 1 toughness its going to probably die before you ever get to swing with it. The only decent combination you can pull off with it might be with pandemonium out and it becomes a 8 point direct damage glorfied magic.
Regardless, One With Nothing is useless by itself. Add some black to Boros Deck Wins to play it, end result, nothing?
In fact, it is actually worse since at least the creature by itself just kills itself and wastes a card. One with nothing, at the bare minimum, wastes itself when played and potentially even more cards. Both require other cards to be based around them, otherwise they are useless (Or in the case of one with nothing, potentially worse than useless) Vorago fucked around with this message on 04-14-2007 at 11:09 AM.
Shut up.
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How.... Malbi.... uughhhhhh:
briefly maybe among the Timmy's but the Johnny and Spikes will pass over it pretty quick.
In green theres like what Gaea's anthem and MAYBE, graft effects that will be able to keep him from shooting straight to the graveyard but its a waste of a slot in your deck when your better off running something more reliable like spectral force.
As I said, it will see play among a niche crowd of people that play decks based around Gaea's Anthem
Which is going to be a lot more play than One With Nothing ever saw during it's run Vorago fucked around with this message on 04-14-2007 at 11:14 AM.
Tormod's crypt got reprinted in Time spiral for a reason graveyard based strategies are very powerful and getting to a point of being degenerate without grave yard hosing elements. There adding even more graveyard control in Future Sight to handle it.
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Verily, Malbi doth proclaim:
keyword abilities that combo with One with Nothing: Dredge, Threshold, Flashback, Madness, Hellbent. Couple that with effects like Ensnaring Bridge, Haakon, Body Double, the revamped nether shadow that just got printed, One with nothing has plenty of applications, not to mention a way to set off a reanimation strategy.Tormod's crypt got reprinted in Time spiral for a reason graveyard based strategies are very powerful and getting to a point of being degenerate without grave yard hosing elements. There adding even more graveyard control in Future Sight to handle it.
I think you have lost sight of what this was originally about man
You felt the 8/0 was wholly useless and should never have been printed because it is a card requiring at least one other card to do cool things
I pointed out that Wizards makes cards in every set that carry that exact function, they require other cards to do things and by themselves are pretty damn bad
By listing off the myriad of combos one can use for my example 'bad card', you have re-affirmed by point by explaining in detail how a card that is very bad on the surface does have uses, when paired with multiple other cards.
Which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time, yes a card can suck singularly, but if you look at it from enough angles, even directly bad cards like that can function when part of a set of cards or entire deck.
It doesn't matter if one 'bad card' has more uses then the other, the fact is both HAVE uses in one manner or another
it is a -1/3 double strike that you can pump +1/+0 for each red. Base negative power, that is a shockingly neat idea
It appears my opponent did not approve of my draft deck choices 
I ended up going nearly pure mono black bumrushwtf, had just a faint splash of green. Plague Sliver, Bad Moon, Nightshade Assassin, Dauthi Slayer, Skulking Knight, Phyrexian Totems (Multiple, woo!), Sangrophage... if it was cheap, offensive and black I pretty much had it.
First game against the guy in the screenshot it went...
turn 1 - suspend mindstab
turn 2 - dauthi slayer
turn 3 - Skulking Knight
turn 4 - Nightshade assassin to kill his only creature
Was so damn brutal, yet awesome!
(Friend got back into MTGO, wanted to do a draft... naturally we end up against each other first round though, rofl)
Ended up getting 2nd place and having some fun, can't complain... now to convert these prize packs into mucho tickets
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Everyone wondered WTF when Vorago wrote:It appears my opponent did not approve of my draft deck choices
I ended up going nearly pure mono black bumrushwtf, had just a faint splash of green. Plague Sliver, Bad Moon, Nightshade Assassin, Dauthi Slayer, Skulking Knight, Phyrexian Totems (Multiple, woo!), Sangrophage... if it was cheap, offensive and black I pretty much had it.
First game against the guy in the screenshot it went...
turn 1 - suspend mindstab
turn 2 - dauthi slayer
turn 3 - Skulking Knight
turn 4 - Nightshade assassin to kill his only creatureWas so damn brutal, yet awesome!
(Friend got back into MTGO, wanted to do a draft... naturally we end up against each other first round though, rofl)
Ended up getting 2nd place and having some fun, can't complain... now to convert these prize packs into mucho tickets
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From the book of Vorago, chapter 3, verse 16:
Oh no haha, my friend isn't the one bitching at me in the screenshot
oh in that case anyone playing clockwork hydra can't talk about crap creatures sheesh.
Turn 20... note the library totals haha. My totems were crammed into the last 13 bloody cards of my library, figures
Highlighted as my current card selection is Haakon, taking a well deserved nap in the graveyard after being counterspelled 5 times and outright killed 5 other times over the course of the game. I was starting to feel sort of bad for him... he got burned down, confiscated (At which point I played a 2nd Haakon and made us each lose 2 life) and even cloned once. When you rely on counterspells and burn to keep your opponent from attacking, Haakon must be a living nightmare for ya.
Haakon forced him to tap out to play Niv-Mizzet after killing Haakon a half dozen times and deciding that sure wasn't working out too great, but in doing so gave me the chance to drop my first Null Profusion at which point it became a hilarious card advantage war where I was replacing every spell he was countering without missing a beat while forcing him to keep Haakon away.
Then I finally got my totems from my library and put him to -18 in one swing, heh
Now THAT was a fun ass game!
Can't wait for future sight, really like some of the madness enablers in there
