You can't have it both ways. You also did say
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The response is always "go get a better deck then", or something equally asinine.
Why is that asinine? If you're whining about losing--which you'd have to be to get a response like that--it's a perfectly reasonable response. It's not someone else's responsibility to make sure you have fun by adopting a less sure strategy. And don't claim that's not what you're saying; there's no point in any of your whining if that isn't the underlying reason.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Duck Tales:
So then what, exactly, was your point in whining about other people's tactics? You spent quite a bit of time saying how horrible others are for doing things you don't find fun, if all you meant is that you prefer to play at a different level. Since when does an opponent owe you anything other than that he plays by the rules?Why is that asinine? If you're whining about losing--which you'd have to be to get a response like that--it's a perfectly reasonable response. It's not someone else's responsibility to make sure you have fun by adopting a less sure strategy. And don't claim that's not what you're saying; there's no point in any of your whining if that isn't the underlying reason.
I never said people were horrible. I said they like a different style of game than I do.
Oh, I see you've made several more assumptions. If you make enough accusations you'll find one that seems remotely close enough to ignore all the other noise you've been making.
You assume I've been whining about losing, (which I haven't in this thread and here you are saying "go get a better deck") when instead I simply quit games when people break out the land destruction. Then what happens? I get private messages saying things like "lern 2 ply" while I play my next game.
I'm allowed to quit a game that is in session. I don't, unless someone is playing control. But I can. And that's all I do.
My only complaint was the original card mentioned here, "Umezawa's Jitte". This card became extremely expensive, and extremely effective in all decks that used creatures (re: all non-control decks, a deck style that I myself, and others, do not enjoy playing against).
Magic has a lot of different cards, most of which do not warrant tournament play. Why is this? Variety and creativity. But this one card became necessary to them all just to merely have a chance at surviving. Even the creative decks started using them because hey, it's still the creative deck, just with a Jitte as well.
Wizards have only rarely and mistakenly created cards that were so effective they were used in almost all decks. Take a look at the Moxes. They don't exist any more because every deck used them. They were so powerful that games actually came down to who won the coin toss, because going first was a good a victory.
Also, I'm not saying that people can't tell me to get a better deck to play against them. I'd have to, woulnd't I? The point I was making with that sentence was that people who play control will say that if I make it at all clear that I don't want to play against them. I don't want to play against them. Even if I could win every time.
Also, the new sets added Split second spells which cannot be countered.
In conclusion, stop whining or stop playing a competitive card game, and go play Scrabble or something.
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Inferno-Spirit had this to say about Captain Planet:
Wizards have only rarely and mistakenly created cards that were so effective they were used in almost all decks. Take a look at the Moxes. They don't exist any more because every deck used them. They were so powerful that games actually came down to who won the coin toss, because going first was a good a victory.
Ahh the classic days of the Urza's block, where turn 2 was a nearly mythical thing Vorago fucked around with this message on 02-19-2007 at 02:24 PM.
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Anakha's Wii painfully thought these words up:
Inferno, if you want to beat a control deck, all you need to do is play a fast paced creature deck. Goblins, or any of the other white weenie style decks. The cheapest counterspell costs 2 land, and all you have to do is fool the control deck into blowing CS on the wrong creature.Also, the new sets added Split second spells which cannot be countered.
In conclusion, stop whining or stop playing a competitive card game, and go play Scrabble or something.
So I'm assuming you just didn't read the last few posts in this thread before chiming in and missing the point ENTIRELY?
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nem-x painfully thought these words up:
Yeah Stuffy Doll is a interesting lil card.
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Anakha's Wii thought about the meaning of life:
Inferno, if you want to beat a control deck, all you need to do is play a fast paced creature deck. Goblins, or any of the other white weenie style decks. The cheapest counterspell costs 2 land, and all you have to do is fool the control deck into blowing CS on the wrong creature.Also, the new sets added Split second spells which cannot be countered.
In conclusion, stop whining or stop playing a competitive card game, and go play Scrabble or something.
You can't be serious. There's no way you read anything but the last post before you posted that.
The whole point of everything I've been saying in this thread is that I don't care if I can beat a control deck. I simply don't want to play against a control deck either way. I definitely don't want to have to play a specific deck that has a higher chance of beating a control deck for that exact purpose.
I understand how to beat a control deck. I understand how to beat, or at least become extremely competitive with, control decks. I understand how to make effective control decks. I don't, despite all of this, enjoy playing with or against a control deck. It doesn't have to deal with being competitive, it has to deal with the amount of fun I have due to interactive gameplay.
Also, Scrabble is one of the most competitive and difficult games in existance.
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ACES! Another post by Inferno-Spirit:
You can't be serious. There's no way you read anything but the last post before you posted that.The whole point of everything I've been saying in this thread is that I don't care if I can beat a control deck. I simply don't want to play against a control deck either way. I definitely don't want to have to play a specific deck that has a higher chance of beating a control deck for that exact purpose.
I understand how to beat a control deck. I understand how to beat, or at least become extremely competitive with, control decks. I understand how to make effective control decks. I don't, despite all of this, enjoy playing with or against a control deck. It doesn't have to deal with being competitive, it has to deal with the amount of fun I have due to interactive gameplay.
Also, Scrabble is one of the most competitive and difficult games in existance.
Im curious as to what you define as interactive gameplay, as I find control decks far more interactive than the races for the red zone that go on between aggro decks.
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I suppose the same could be said of all Malbis...
Im curious as to what you define as interactive gameplay, as I find control decks far more interactive than the races for the red zone that go on between aggro decks.
Interaction means that both players are playing cards. Generally on every turn.
A lack of interaction is caused by decks that severely limit one player's ability to play cards, like counter-heavy decks.
There's also no interaction, which is generally caused by FTK decks. I do not believe that FTK decks should be allowed to exist in any game for this reason.
If I play all my spells I play get countered, bounced, or removed from play then it is 100% pointless for me to do anything at all. What fun is that?
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There was much rejoicing when Densetsu said this:
Interaction means that both players are playing cards. Generally on every turn.A lack of interaction is caused by decks that severely limit one player's ability to play cards, like counter-heavy decks.
There's also no interaction, which is generally caused by FTK decks. I do not believe that FTK decks should be allowed to exist in any game for this reason.
If FTK = Flametongue Kavu, it's one of the few unbanned cards that Wizards has publicly stated was a mistake to print.
And as far as interaction goes: one player casting a creature, and the other playing killing it with a spell, or countering it, before it has a chance to act in any way, does not count as interaction. It's not a problem on a small scale, but when the whole game is like that, it's not fun. Inferno-Spirit fucked around with this message on 02-20-2007 at 01:10 AM.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Inferno-Spirit said:
If FTK = Flametongue Kavu, it's one of the few unbanned cards that Wizards has publicly stated was a mistake to print.And as far as interaction goes: one player casting a creature, and the other playing killing it with a spell, or countering it, before it has a chance to act in any way, does not count as interaction. It's not a problem on a small scale, but when the whole game is like that, it's not fun.
Looking at it, I think FTK is short for "First turn kill"
Not to say Flametongue Kavu wasn't anything but a stupid, stupid card mind you 
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Your words are as empty as your soul! Mankind ill needs a savior such as Inferno-Spirit!
If FTK = Flametongue Kavu, it's one of the few unbanned cards that Wizards has publicly stated was a mistake to print.
FTK is First Turn Kill.
Vorago fucked around with this message on 02-20-2007 at 01:02 PM.
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you forgot this 
Costs 40 bucks now nem-x fucked around with this message on 02-21-2007 at 08:07 PM.
nem-x fucked around with this message on 02-22-2007 at 03:26 AM.
And here's the final shot for the game winning turn
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Delidgamond impressed everyone with:
slivers or notin
OK then, what does everyone think is the best colour combo to play slivers currently?
You know, standard/extended... none of that Crystalline Sliver BS from tempest... so broken
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Vorago was all like:
OK then, what does everyone think is the best colour combo to play slivers currently?You know, standard/extended... none of that Crystalline Sliver BS from tempest... so broken
probably white/black/red, as I am not very impressed with the green or blue slivers, and having sinew sliver and ghostflame sliver at your disposal is nice.
Well, I suppose in theory that white one that makes all slivers return to your hand when they die could be worse, but never even seen it played
But for only 3 mana, Sedge Sliver is one scary ass thing
Sealed tournaments suck btw
freakin bogardans and teferis
