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Condom Ninja El Supremo
posted 11-05-2006 08:30:42 AM
My initial play of FFX has 96+ hours on it. I have several saves from where I branched out into different things trying to beat the Monster Arena spawns.

Of course once you reach that 90+ hour mark you have Auron solo the final boss pratically.

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Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 12:18:51 PM
FFXII doesn't waste time on minigames that have you dodge lightning 200 times in a row or play blitzball though.

Anyways, I went and beat the game. The final dungeon and ending seemed a bit rushed, but were still good. Awesome game.

I'm gar for Balthier.

Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:00:21 PM
What determines how often you get combo hits?
Maradon!
posted 11-05-2006 01:04:38 PM
So the combat really is entirely hands-off then, and it's not just people throwing around wild exaggerations?
Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:06:13 PM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Optimus Prime:
So the combat really is entirely hands-off then, and it's not just people throwing around wild exaggerations?

No. It's not entirely hands-off.

Maradon!
posted 11-05-2006 01:07:51 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Gadani who doth quote:
No. It's not entirely hands-off.

I don't understand.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 01:21:33 PM
quote:
Gadani had this to say about Optimus Prime:
What determines how often you get combo hits?

Poles, katanas, ninja swords, and certain ultimate weapons will combo more. The genji glove allows you to combo more. There doesn't seem to be any info on an exact formula or stat that affects it though.

quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Optimus Prime:
So the combat really is entirely hands-off then, and it's not just people throwing around wild exaggerations?

No, it is not hands-off. Combat is pretty fast and the system is designed around you using gambits to automate functions that you'll use frequently, like attack or steal, so you don't have to go into the menus for them.

Gambits will allow you to handle most non-named mobs pretty easily, but you'll still need to go into your menus. Against named mobs, you need to use gambits and interact as well. If you're not using gambits, you simply won't be able to keep up. If you're using just gambits, you may be OK against some of the easier named mobs. Against harder ones you'll be going into the menus a lot. Oh, and this is with wait turned on. With active system turned on you'll get raped without gambits.

Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:22:34 PM
quote:
Maradon! was naked while typing this:
I don't understand.

For little mobs like wolfs or skeletons or something, yeah, it's hands-off. However, for groups of medium mobs or boss fights I would say it's necessary to control the actions of your group.

Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:25:05 PM
Also I've found that in the Lhusu Mines, you can walk back and forth across the Twinspan and skeletons will respawn until you kill like 48 of them. Then you zone out, kill the skeletons in that zone, and go back and they spawn again! I made 11,00 gil(all from selling bone chips) chaining 102 skeletons.
Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 01:31:46 PM
Zoning twice or reloading the game resets the spawn on non-named mobs. Some mobs will respawn after a certain amount of time, even if you don't zone. Named mobs will stay spawned unless you reload the game or the trigger (weather) disappears when you zone back in.
Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:49:42 PM
Where the hell can I buy Libra?
Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 01:58:28 PM
Rabanastre thecnick shop.
Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 01:59:27 PM
Also why does my party sometimes gain shell/reflect/100HP after defeating a skeleton in the Lhusu Mines?

e: It doesn't say I'm hitting any traps.

Gadani fucked around with this message on 11-05-2006 at 01:59 PM.

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 11-05-2006 02:10:26 PM
quote:
Gadani impressed everyone with:
Also why does my party sometimes gain shell/reflect/100HP after defeating a skeleton in the Lhusu Mines?

e: It doesn't say I'm hitting any traps.


If you've chained a bunch of skeletons together, that'll happen as a bonus.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 02:10:57 PM
Certain mobs (bunnies) will buff you. Also, after getting 10 combos mobs will start dropping those big circle things. They can buff/heal you and give more loot. Their drop rate frequency increases at 10/20/30 combos.
Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 02:18:48 PM
The skeletons in the Shunia Twinspan haven't respawned at all in the past 10 minutes or so. Any ideas? D:

They're respawning everywhere else, just not there.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-05-2006 04:46:24 PM
quote:
One thousand monkies on one thousand typewriters would eventually write what Maradon! said;
I don't understand.

I'm in an airship right now fighting while typing this grinding license points having the enemies run to me.

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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 11-05-2006 05:45:54 PM
quote:
Gadani had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
The skeletons in the Shunia Twinspan haven't respawned at all in the past 10 minutes or so. Any ideas? D:

They're respawning everywhere else, just not there.


Run all the way out to the first bridge, then run back. Just hold down R2 so the chain doesn't get blown.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-05-2006 06:57:07 PM
How do you make cash? I find myself barely getting by right now at level 13. Things are getting more expensive and techniques are super expensive!

And what is that 18000 gil bazaar item you get to buy for killing that wolf in the Eastern desert area?

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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 11-05-2006 07:10:14 PM
quote:
Delidgamond had this to say about pies:
How do you make cash? I find myself barely getting by right now at level 13. Things are getting more expensive and techniques are super expensive!

And what is that 18000 gil bazaar item you get to buy for killing that wolf in the Eastern desert area?



quote:
Also I've found that in the Lhusu Mines, you can walk back and forth across the Twinspan and skeletons will respawn until you kill like 48 of them. Then you zone out, kill the skeletons in that zone, and go back and they spawn again! I made 11,00 gil(all from selling bone chips) chaining 102 skeletons.

This is the best place to farm til like, level 25 or so. If you're lucky with steals, you can get 99 Bone Fragments (~20k gil) in under an hour, as well as some good exp and LP.

The 18k book in the bazaar is one of the many Monographs. It's a key item that gets better loot to drop off of a certain type of mob. The 18k one is for beasts and avions. Their worth is fairly debatable.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-05-2006 07:18:15 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Delidgamond!
How do you make cash? I find myself barely getting by right now at level 13. Things are getting more expensive and techniques are super expensive!

Steal steal steal steal steal. Have a gambit setup so a character will always steal from a mob. I believe at first you'll need to set it up for 70%, then 90%, then 100% later on. Also, do mob hunts. They give good cash and gear. Exploring will also help out. Lots of good gear to be found off rare mobs and in chests. If you can get a hold of a couple gladius weapons I mentioned in the other thread you'll be good on weapons for a long while.

Also, don't buy everything. Libra and steal are the only two technicks you'll really need until you get shear much later. If you don't have the mana to use magic freely, meaning you don't have quickenings, be careful with what you buy. White magic, protect, blind, shell, haste, and slow should be your priority. These are the core spells. Everything else is nice, but not entirely needed.

Same applies to weapons/armor/accessories. Only buy stuff for three characters. As you can switch gear during combat, you can switch the good stuff if you really need to do so. Good accessories are few and far between. You can ignore them for the most part. Armor doesn't need to be upgrade that much. Only upgrade weapons for your core characters every two to three towns.

quote:
And what is that 18000 gil bazaar item you get to buy for killing that wolf in the Eastern desert area?

I think you're referring to the grimoires/monographs you get talking to merchants. They cause mobs to drop rare and more valuable items more often. The 18000 gil one if for birds/beasts IIRC.

Gadani
U
posted 11-05-2006 09:18:00 PM
Haha shit I forgot all about stealing.

Also, Traveller is the fucking bomb.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-06-2006 01:29:44 AM
quote:
Kael likes the cock and also said this;
This is the best place to farm til like, level 25 or so. If you're lucky with steals, you can get 99 Bone Fragments (~20k gil) in under an hour, as well as some good exp and LP.

Is this before or after the mob hunt guy in there that I can't kill? I don't know where the Twinspan is in there.

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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 11-06-2006 01:50:42 AM
quote:
Delidgamond had this to say about (_|_):
Is this before or after the mob hunt guy in there that I can't kill? I don't know where the Twinspan is in there.

Second bridge, so before the mark.

Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-06-2006 10:58:24 AM
I fucking hate the camera controls.

I can't find a way to turn the damn invert off, so I keep ending up looking the wrong direction. IT IS DRIVING ME INSANE.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-06-2006 03:58:40 PM
R3 centers the camera behind you btw. You probably shouldn't need to move the camera any direction but left and right most of the time.
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Talonus
Loner
posted 11-06-2006 04:11:45 PM
quote:
Bajah had this to say about Robocop:
I can't find a way to turn the damn invert off, so I keep ending up looking the wrong direction. IT IS DRIVING ME INSANE.

Can't turn off invert. I hated it too, but eventually got used to it.

Nina
posted 11-06-2006 04:33:12 PM
Maybe it's just because I came from the school of Final Fantasy XI on a PS2 controller, but I found nothing wrong with the camera controls.
Bajah
Thooooooor
posted 11-06-2006 04:53:55 PM
quote:
Out of a possible 10, Densetsu scored a straight 1 with:
R3 centers the camera behind you btw. You probably shouldn't need to move the camera any direction but left and right most of the time.

Good to know!
I know L2 pulls in some over-the-shoulder view lock on your current target, but R3 centering the camera behind you is !

nem-x
posted 11-06-2006 05:29:01 PM
Freedan
Pancake
posted 11-06-2006 06:08:12 PM
Maybe I missed it, I might've missed it, I don't remember anyone asking about it in this thread.

Is character stat development open ended (FF-X) or are characters stuck in a predetermined caste (FFIX.)

A is A, fighter is fighter kind of thing?

Edit: the license thing is making me think I can make whoever whatever I want.

Freedan fucked around with this message on 11-06-2006 at 06:11 PM.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-06-2006 06:13:46 PM
quote:
Die, Freedan! You don't belong in this world!
Maybe I missed it, I might've missed it, I don't remember anyone asking about it in this thread.

Is character stat development open ended (FF-X) or are characters stuck in a predetermined caste (FFIX.)

A is A, fighter is fighter kind of thing?

Edit: the license thing is making me think I can make whoever whatever I want.


I posted about it. You can make any character into any type of character that you want. FFX's system was only open-ended once a character finished their initial path. FFXII's is open-ended from the get-go.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Freedan
Pancake
posted 11-06-2006 06:26:30 PM
quote:
Densetsu obviously shouldn't have said:
I posted about it. You can make any character into any type of character that you want. FFX's system was only open-ended once a character finished their initial path. FFXII's is open-ended from the get-go.

Oh, sorry I missed it.

FFX is the first thing that came to mind, I guess I could have used 3, 5, 6, 7, or 8. But 10 was the first thing that came to mind.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-06-2006 06:28:33 PM
quote:
Freedan had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Is character stat development open ended (FF-X) or are characters stuck in a predetermined caste (FFIX.)

You can make anyone do anything, with whoever you feel like fulfilling a role. Some characters are more suited to some things than others though, e.g. Basch as a melee and Penelo as a caster.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-06-2006 10:32:16 PM
Is there a site that shows all the licenses? Where is Dagger 4 >=(
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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 11-06-2006 10:49:14 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Delidgamond was all like:
Is there a site that shows all the licenses? Where is Dagger 4 >=(

Dagger 4 is in an odd place. Go left to Crossbow 1, up to Ninja Sword 1, up to Crossbow 2, and Dagger 4 will be above Crossbow 2.

Brady Games had a promo with a flash based License Board, but I guess they took it down. Not sure if the one on Gamefaqs is any good.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-06-2006 10:53:16 PM
Gabe wrote his thoughts on FFXII
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Aaron (the good one)
posted 11-07-2006 12:13:44 AM
How much healing does First Aid do? Is it worth it to put on my healer as the first gambit?
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Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 11-07-2006 12:49:48 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Delidgamond said this:
How much healing does First Aid do? Is it worth it to put on my healer as the first gambit?

Hardly any, and it only works when the target is at critical HP.

Talonus
Loner
posted 11-07-2006 06:25:48 AM
quote:
Kael's fortune cookie read:
Not sure if the one on Gamefaqs is any good.

The one on Gamefaqs is just fine.

quote:
There was much rejoicing when Delidgamond said this:
How much healing does First Aid do? Is it worth it to put on my healer as the first gambit?

Better to use raise or a phoenix down as your first gambit. In general, other than steal and libra, the technicks are pretty useless until a couple end of game ones.

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