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Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
But I'd need to get 2 good one-handersThis warrior in my guild has thunderfury and a corehound tooth and is fury spec. Jumpin jesus does he do shitloads of damage.
Dual Wielding really isn't worth it until you hit 60 and get some top tier 1H weapons. Deathbringer is a good start. Even with two nice weapons it won't outperform an equal calibur 2H until you get a nice chunk of hit % gear.
It does have some uses beforehand though. When you're fighting Golemagg or any mob that has a big AE you can't avoid unless you get out of melee range, you can swap to 1H + Shield, pop Shield Wall, then switch to Dual Wielding and the Shield Wall will stay up. Swapping to a 2H after Shieldwall cancels the effects.
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Naj thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Dual Wielding really isn't worth it until you hit 60 and get some top tier 1H weapons. Deathbringer is a good start. Even with two nice weapons it won't outperform an equal calibur 2H until you get a nice chunk of hit % gear.It does have some uses beforehand though. When you're fighting Golemagg or any mob that has a big AE you can't avoid unless you get out of melee range, you can swap to 1H + Shield, pop Shield Wall, then switch to Dual Wielding and the Shield Wall will stay up. Swapping to a 2H after Shieldwall cancels the effects.
I found that for PVE in pretty much all situations, Dual Wielding in a fury spec was far, far better than Mortal Strike is. At 53, I was doing 175+ dps grinding - that's average dps over an hour or so. I struggle to do 125dps grinding with my mortal strike build. Admittedly, I have 18 in prot instead of 18 in fury.
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Ferret wrote this stupid crap:
You guys do know that threat reduction doesn't stack fully right? Salvation plus imp doesn't magically equal 50% threat reduction, it's only about 44%, and with the 20% from nemesis it's only 55.2% total.
OK, I figured out how you found this. Makes sense.
Even then, though -- they're close enough to not make much of a difference for this argument. Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 03-16-2006 at 08:28 PM.
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Zaeron had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I found that for PVE in pretty much all situations, Dual Wielding in a fury spec was far, far better than Mortal Strike is. At 53, I was doing 175+ dps grinding - that's average dps over an hour or so. I struggle to do 125dps grinding with my mortal strike build. Admittedly, I have 18 in prot instead of 18 in fury.
I didn't say anything about builds at all.
Try a 2H with a Fury build and note the differences between it and your 2 1H weapons. 
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There was much rejoicing when Flea said this:
2h Fury (with base of 1k AP with battleshout) and 2h MS will do basically the same damage in raids. The difference comes when you go DW fury. With about a base of 7% hit gear, some very high DPS 1handers, you can own bad on a raids DPS. When I converted from a 31/20 build to a 17/34 build, I moved up on the raids damage meters and I only have 4% to hit. But, in PvP, 31/20 will out do fury because MS owns healers.
It ain't completely about owning healers. It's that a MS warrior with an insane 2hander will do more burst damage than a Fury warrior will.
Over a long fight, Fury warrior = own.
Over a 10 second fight, Arms warrior = own.
O waells.Willias fucked around with this message on 03-16-2006 at 11:34 PM.
I would think that Fury with 2h could come somewhat close to MS build with 2h with enough attack power though.
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Check out the big brain on Naj!
I didn't say anything about builds at all.Try a 2H with a Fury build and note the differences between it and your 2 1H weapons.
Stop tempting me to go back to my fury build.
But wouldn't you lose some of the effectiveness of Bloodthirst? I mean, all that healing is really handy when you're grinding and such... Argh, now you have me curious. I hafta respec again! 
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Maradon! had this to say about the Spice Girls:
I honestly don't see what's so great about MS.My warrior is level 50 now, and I have a The Rockpounder which is better in terms of the damage range than a lot of stuff that level. My MS does about as much damage as a regular crit, but given that it costs 30 rage I don't get to use it all that often. Sometimes it's a decent execute replacement when I don't want to blow my entire wad.
Am I missing something?
Burst damage + Healing Debuff
Generally MS doesn't do a ton of damage. On my warrior a regular MS does anywhere from 300-500 damage non-crit depending on who I'm fighting. That's not a whole lot more than my regular swings, but it's instant. The instantness makes all the difference.
When you stack that with a sword spec proc and a whirlwind along with your white damage, you have instakilled cloth-wearers. Instakilled cloth-wearers=priceless.
I should add that I really wasn't impressed with the MS build at all until I was level 60 with a decent weapon and some decent equipment. The extra damage wasn't all that great with an ice barbed spear and assorted greens and blues. Taeldian fucked around with this message on 03-17-2006 at 03:55 AM.
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Williasing:
It ain't completely about owning healers. It's that a MS warrior with an insane 2hander will do more burst damage than a Fury warrior will.
How? It takes a modest amount of time to build up 30 rage and when you finally get it MS really doesn't do all THAT much damage :\
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Maradon! attempted to be funny by writing:
How? It takes a modest amount of time to build up 30 rage and when you finally get it MS really doesn't do all THAT much damage :\
When you have a solid weapon, you get a lot more rage per hit.
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Taeldianing:
Burst damage + Healing DebuffGenerally MS doesn't do a ton of damage. On my warrior a regular MS does anywhere from 300-500 damage non-crit depending on who I'm fighting. That's not a whole lot more than my regular swings, but it's instant. The instantness makes all the difference.
When you stack that with a sword spec proc and a whirlwind along with your white damage, you have instakilled cloth-wearers. Instakilled cloth-wearers=priceless.
I should add that I really wasn't impressed with the MS build at all until I was level 60 with a decent weapon and some decent equipment. The extra damage wasn't all that great with an ice barbed spear and assorted greens and blues.
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There was much rejoicing when Zaeron said this:
Stop tempting me to go back to my fury build.But wouldn't you lose some of the effectiveness of Bloodthirst? I mean, all that healing is really handy when you're grinding and such... Argh, now you have me curious. I hafta respec again!
You could remove the healing effect from Bloodthirst and it would probably take me a few weeks to notice.
WTB better secondary effect on Bloodthirst PST. Naj fucked around with this message on 03-17-2006 at 07:55 AM.
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Maradon! had this to say about Duck Tales:
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Yeah, as he said. Instant attack with a huge two handed weapon = PAIN. Add in crittage and MORE PAIN.
As my rogue on Dark Iron (who is still 59), I've been killed by warriors for 3k damage crits with MS before.
There was a higher level rogue in the guild though, that stated that Overpower isn't what kicked his ass, but Mortal Strike crits could take out the majority of his health.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Naj said:
You could remove the healing effect from Bloodthirst and it would probably take me a few weeks to notice.WTB better secondary effect on Bloodthirst PST.
I disagree, but then again my main experience with bloodthirst is solo PVE. I'm sure in PVP it sucks, but for grinding I could go ten or fifteen mobs without stopping to cannibalize.
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Nobody really understood why Maradon! wrote:
I got a ring of swarming thought today - one of the best caster rings in the game, IMOglee
That's nice for some of the higher end "lol resists~" encounters. I'm shooting for a signet ring of the bronze dragonflight myself, heh. Already have it's match: Band of pure sexiness for the 'locks.
Shame it's unique.
Otherwise, I can't justify wasting DKP on it. haha.
They're common enough that everyone in the guild will get theirs before very long.
In addition to PVP, the black book is very handy for solo PVE. Doubling the VW's armor gives him around 80% melee mitigation 
Also black book + imp imp + imp firebolt + CoE = 240 DPS for 30 seconds on top of your own DPS
Band of dark dominion is incredibly awesome, and is in fact the other ring on my dream list.
Signet ring of the bronze dragonflight is not worth the effort to obtain, imo. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 03-17-2006 at 08:57 PM.
I take it bloodthirst doesn't do nearly as much damage as MS.. does enrage/flurry really make that big a difference?
Things just keel over and die.And bloodthirst is okie. Not a super uber attack, but it is decent. It works even better if you are an orc, because their racial will boost the damage even more. A great thing about it is that anything with +AP will directly add damage to it. So twin crusader buffs on your weapons, flasks, and anything else you can think of, will really shoot the damage through the roof.
The healing component, however, is negligible
Fury aint all about damage though. What really made me fall in love with it was its extras! Things like improved execute (10 rage spamspamspam), reduced cooldown on intercept 
and improved berserker rage (basically means you can intercept whenever you damn well want 
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Maradon! was listening to Cher while typing:
So where does all the extra damage come from when you're fury spec?I take it bloodthirst doesn't do nearly as much damage as MS.. does enrage/flurry really make that big a difference?
Crit rate, high attack speed, and fast rage generation if I recall correctly.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
Signet ring of the bronze dragonflight is not worth the effort to obtain, imo.
I see it as a bonus for doing AQ. Eventually, you end up with the faction to get one.
Much like the Kezan's Taint line. Free necklace for doing ZG.
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Maradon! had this to say about John Romero:
Signet ring of the bronze dragonflight is not worth the effort to obtain, imo.
Brood faction is easy. First good version of it is around honored right? Takes like a few instances max to hit that. Just save your insignias till you hit friendly.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Falaanla Marr who doth quote:
I see it as a bonus for doing AQ. Eventually, you end up with the faction to get one.Much like the Kezan's Taint line. Free necklace for doing ZG.
Oh... I thought it was part of the broodlord head quest for some reason.
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Optimus Prime:
I see it as a bonus for doing AQ. Eventually, you end up with the faction to get one.Much like the Kezan's Taint line. Free necklace for doing ZG.
Excellent warlock neck until you can nab an ossirian's head neckpeice or a choker of the firelord if you're not as into stats. The Kzean's unstoppable taint, that is.
Plus, the one yard range on hellfire is pretty spiffy.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Delphi Aegis booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Plus, the one yard range on hellfire is pretty spiffy.
Spiffy, but I can't really see it getting you many more targets. 2 yards diameter is not that much, and any time you AoE in a raid scenario mobs tend to be gathered anyway.
Amulet of Vek'nilash = Best warlock neck in the game, IMO.
Choker of the firelord is almost as good, but in my research 1% to crit has always weighed out to around 8 +dmg or so, so this ends up being better when you add it out.
The caster charm of the shifting sands is not bad at all, though, considering that it's a great deal easier to get than either of the above.
Though most crit calculations run to about 7 +dam, 14 if you have ruin/whatever-mages-get-that's-equivalent-to-ruin.
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Delphi Aegis Model 2000 was programmed to say:
favour
Favor.
Edit: TESTICULAR FORTITUDE NOT GUARANTEED!
I am so going to hell for digging up that stupid fad Led fucked around with this message on 03-19-2006 at 12:56 AM.
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Willias probably says this to all the girls:
Favor.
Fervor.
I really don't think +crit is bad to have. Everything I've seen suggests to me that there's no difference between critting and simply hitting hard. If you get a double damage crit, simply sit out for the duration of one cast, and it'll amount to exactly the same threat that landing two solid casts would.
There's a growing body of evidence (by way of extensive studies that I sure as shit haven't conducted, in addition to certain UI mods that accurately track threat) that suggests that, unless you're casting a spell with specificially modified threat values (ie. searing pain) that your threat is ONLY modified by the amount of damage you do, and that the spikiness of your damage is relatively meaningless.
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Mr. Parcelan probably says this to all the girls:
Fervor.
Flavor.
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Willias had this to say about Captain Planet:
Flavor.
Flava.
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Check out the big brain on Mr. Parcelan!
Flava.
Flair.
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Willias probably says this to all the girls:
Flair.
Chair.
