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From the book of MorbId, chapter 3, verse 16:
You sound like a bad RPG villain.
All your base are belong to us. Kuroi Madoushi fucked around with this message on 10-03-2005 at 01:28 AM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Snugglits gently hums:
Yeah, you're right, the ends always justify the means! Who cares how you arrive at a decision as long as it's right.
Wut?
Instead of continuing the idiocy, why don't you point out exactly what's wrong with my argument? Since when is, "Oh, I'm not good at that," an excuse to be forgiven failure?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Vallo probably says this to all the girls:
[Georgia tests]
I never took any of those. 
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I never took any of those.
The End of Course ones just started midway through last year, and only selectively then, so I didn't take any of those. The rest of them ate a total of around two weeks of class time. There's also the PSAT/SAT/ACT/SATII, AP (Advanced Placement) tests, Baclaureat tests...dear god, it's like the entire Senior year is nothing but tests.
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I only ever took the SAT.
You suck, bastard!
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So quoth Bloodsage:
Instead of continuing the idiocy, why don't you point out exactly what's wrong with my argument? Since when is, "Oh, I'm not good at that," an excuse to be forgiven failure?
Since it's obviously everyone else's fault.. thats why society today contains such wonderful examples of litigation such as the "Fast Food made me obese" class-action being argued in courts currently.
I'm agreeing with 'sage here. The test is set 4 years below what their standard should be. Hell, I went to school with a kid who had Autism, and even he could pass a test that graded his ability based on CURRENT schooling level, let alone one that graded him on stuff he learned 4 years previously.
As for the other stats the article trotted out... 63% of African Americans and 68% of Hispanics passed. THis, to me, shows that while there may be overcrowding, lack of funds and resources, and other problems facing a lot of the "disadvantaged" kids, there are still PLENTY who get off their asses and work to improve themselves.
This bullshit of "oh give him a diploma just because he tried" has to stop. If they cant pass a test set 4 levels below them, they dont graduate. They can go off an flip burgers, clean toilets, change the bedding at the local Motel 6, or whatever.. but they dont deserve to get a pat on the back and a piece of paper telling them they passed High School, when quite clearly they couldnt even pass Elementary! If they want to pass, they sit down and work their ass off until they can, and EARN the diploma (like anyone over the age of 21 here already has).
As for Snugglits, I'd like him to explain to me how much value the High School diploma he earns through his hard work and knowledge will have, compared to one handed out to the kid next to him.. the one who blew off classes, never did assignments or homework, but graduated anyway because "we cant allow anyone to fail"...
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Maradon! stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Public school system = worthless.
Where else would those kids go? NOT IN MY BACK YARD!
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Where else would those kids go? NOT IN MY BACK YARD!
Well, you could get a farm somewhere, round 'em all up..
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Seaning:
Where else would those kids go? NOT IN MY BACK YARD!
Voucher system.
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Check out the big brain on Maradon!!
Voucher system.
Some things just can't work entirly in the private sector.
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ACES! Another post by JooJooFlop:
Some things just can't work entirly in the private sector.
Exactly, there's the problem of grade inflation.
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Maradon!'s unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Public school system = worthless.
I disagree. I went to public schools for all of my schooling, I graduated (admittedly only just), and I went on to work in a job that served the public interest.
Perhaps, *AMERICAN* public schools are worthless, but I highly doubt even that is true. Even if a school is overcrowded, or lacks resources or funding, there are still kids who want to do well, and work their asses off to pass.
While the high school I went to was over-crowded at the time (class size average is down to around 25 now, from over 45 when I attended) and lacked resources (We ranked in the lowest 25% for class resources, and lowest 30% for funding), there were plenty of kids I went to school with that went on to University to become doctors, lawyers, and successful business people. There are also a couple of international sporting stars among them.
IMHO, it's not the schools (or even the schooling system) that is worthless. It is the lack of effort and attention that a minority of kids today show that cause the libertarians to start jumping up and down and claiming bias, discrimination, and general unfairness. The question is: If there are kids SUCCEEDING through hard work and effort even under such "disadvantageous" conditions, what right do the ones who just sit back and coast, without doing a single thing to help themselves, have to any of the 'benefits' of a diploma?
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Bloodsage attempted to be funny by writing:
Pressure is good; either learn to deal with it, or resign yourself to a life of digging ditches and cleaning bathrooms.
Trust me 'Sage, cleaning bathrooms can be a very high pressure job.
I woked at a No Frills grocery store for three years. Pressure is trying to figure out how to clean shit off the bathroom floor, toilet, and walls, while trying not to look at it or breathe.
That wonderful mental image aside, I totally agree with you. There needs to be a minimum level of skill required to graduate. And if you're not able to apply that skill in a practical situation, then you may as well not have it.
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Sakkra had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Exactly, there's the problem of grade inflation.
There are all sorts of problems with vouchers, but I suppose the primary one is that it promotes inequity in education between those that can afford the accompanying expenses of private education and those who can't, who must attend public schools whose funds have been siphoned by the voucher programs.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Mr. Gainsborough said:
Well, you could get a farm somewhere, round 'em all up..
Cool! Just like that movie, Motel Hell. Right?
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
I'm sorry... If you can't pass that test, you're pretty damn stupid and/or lazy. That has got to be the easiest test ever made for an HET.
Of course I'm the exact opposite of the biggest whine you hear from kids in school, "I do great on the work, but I just can't pass a test to save my life."
I was just lazy, and never did my class work, but you give me a test and I'd ace it. 
For the most part I agree with Sage, giving someone a diploma because "they tried" so they don't feel bad when they can't even pass a basic test is a bad idea. For one if they can't pass those basic tests, they really wont be prepared for the pressures in life. Which kinda makes the whole test anxiety excuse rather stupid as well.
I also refuse to send my girls to a private school, as I think there is always something lost over public schools. 
Then again, I'm more willing as a parent to pick up the slack to make sure my girls succeed in life.
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So quoth Faelynn LeAndris:
Of course I'm the exact opposite of the biggest whine you hear from kids in school, "I do great on the work, but I just can't pass a test to save my life."I was just lazy, and never did my class work, but you give me a test and I'd ace it.
Me too, Fae. I'd get horrible grades on non-test essays, and rarely did my homework, but always did 90 or better on tests. Hmmm. 
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Skaw Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Me too, Fae. I'd get horrible grades on non-test essays, and rarely did my homework, but always did 90 or better on tests. Hmmm.
Wayyyyy too many of my classmates tried to blame thier failure on some inability to take tests. It was actually quite embarrassing.
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Suddar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Also, I'd just like to say that not every state is as stupid as California
NJ requires students to pass the HSPT before getting a diploma. Any child in Special education or The State Child Study team can be evaluated and exempted from it. NJ Public schools require standardized testing every 2 years, I had the CAT tests, they switched over to MET when I hit high school, after taking that many tests you should more than Familiar with them.
The "I can't take test well but my grades are high" Student i have observed get their high grades usually by sucking up a whole lot and copying a lot of their work. Shit my senior year nearly 80% of the Honor and SP students were blatantly Plagiarizing...guess thats why I have seen them at the community college over the last few years when they find out that shit doesn't cut the mustard at a university.
--I am only one of two people at my work that doesnt use a calculator to add and multiply things, both of us think it is a little sad when you cant do strait multiplication and division in you head
So assuming all throughout the year, a student gets mid to high 90s in a course, and then when the exam comes, they fail it. Is it for lack of studying, not paying attention in class, or is it test anxiety?
Kegwen fucked around with this message on 10-03-2005 at 10:35 AM.
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Kegwen impressed everyone with:
Hay Kuroi, are you seriously saying that any person that doesn't graduate high school (or college) has no value to society whatsoever? They may not be at all intelligent, but you cannot deny their contributions to society. Those garbagemen that take your garbage away? Yeah. Those guys that serve your food? Yeah. Those people that clean up after you? Yeah. All those and more serve a very valuable function that society needs, despite your opinion of their intelligence.
You mean his parents?
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There was much rejoicing when Pvednes said this:
You mean his parents?
Well played.
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This insanity brought to you by Kegwen:
Hay Kuroi, are you seriously saying that any person that doesn't graduate high school (or college) has no value to society whatsoever? They may not be at all intelligent, but you cannot deny their contributions to society. Those garbagemen that take your garbage away? Yeah. Those guys that serve your food? Yeah. Those people that clean up after you? Yeah. All those and more serve a very valuable function that society needs, despite your opinion of their intelligence.
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That they're worthless? That they contribute nothing? I live in an area filled with that sort of people and have lived dependent upon them before. There are only so many menial jobs available and there are far more people than there are jobs. This means that those witless, lazy fools are now living off the taxes I (and every other responsible working adult) pay the government. Certainly those who do not make the effort to improve themselves are not worth the air they breathe, but that doesn't suggest anything beyond the stated lack of value to society.
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I'm in full agreement with 'sage; I don't advocate killing someone for stupidity, I simply express the belief that such people are worthless. The excessively stupid will eliminate themselves and the others do the jobs I don't want to do, why would I want them dead?
Bit of grammar corrected there but, nonetheless, reading comprehension for the win. Just for the record, my parents are a realtor and a heavy equipment operator respectively; it is from them that I learned this particular view of society and this lack of respect for assholes who don't earn their keep.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Kuroi Madoushi had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
assholes who don't earn their keep.
Even a highschool dropout can more than earn thier keep. In fact, you know that Heavy Machine Operator position your daddy has? Yep, that one, doesn't require a PHD, and is attainable even to someone without a diploma. In fact some of the main jobs that run the backbone of society are perfectly attainable without a diploma, at best they need a GED. No, the highdollar corporate jobs aren't really available (Although in some circumstances they can be with experience and apprenticing.) but you'd be surprised how good a living (And a paycheck) you can achieve working hard labor, or less -pretty comfy- jobs.
Also this has absolutely nothing to do with testing for diplomas, this is a personal "I'm better than everyone else" argument.
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Sean enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I never took any of those.
That's because you dropped out when you were a Freshman.
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Snoota had this to say about Tron:
That's because you dropped out when you were a Freshman.
Oh, right. 
It's not something people hear about.
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Faelynn LeAndris stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Even a highschool dropout can more than earn thier keep. In fact, you know that Heavy Machine Operator position your daddy has? Yep, that one, doesn't require a PHD, and is attainable even to someone without a diploma. In fact some of the main jobs that run the backbone of society are perfectly attainable without a diploma, at best they need a GED. No, the highdollar corporate jobs aren't really available (Although in some circumstances they can be with experience and apprenticing.) but you'd be surprised how good a living (And a paycheck) you can achieve working hard labor, or less -pretty comfy- jobs.
Also this has absolutely nothing to do with testing for diplomas, this is a personal "I'm better than everyone else" argument.
Stop posting, you very clearly lack the reading comprehension skills.
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This means that those witless, lazy fools are now living off the taxes I (and every other responsible working adult) pay the government. Certainly those who do not make the effort to improve themselves are not worth the air they breathe, but that doesn't suggest anything beyond the stated lack of value to society.
Did you just ignore that part? The part that specifies the people who DON'T contribute to society and leech off it?
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Nobody really understood why Kuroi Madoushi wrote:
Did you just ignore that part? The part that specifies the people who DON'T contribute to society and leech off it?
But when you use that phrase against this subject, being people who cant pass a test, it comes off like you are an ass that doesn't have any reading comprehension yourself.
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Fizodeth had this to say about Cuba:
But when you use that phrase against this subject, being people who cant pass a test, it comes off like you are an ass that doesn't have any reading comprehension yourself.
Logical extrapolation would suggest that, being too lazy to learn and become competent with material 4 years below their level, such people would likely become the drain on society I described. In fact, it's not even logical extrapolation, it's direct observation of social trends.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Regardless of all that though, you're just really obnoxious and annoying so please to be shutting your ass up now.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, BeauChan absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
(*I'm not going to argue, I'm clarifying the point of view of others*)So assuming all throughout the year, a student gets mid to high 90s in a course, and then when the exam comes, they fail it. Is it for lack of studying, not paying attention in class, or is it test anxiety?
It doesn't matter the cause. If they can't pass a test aimed 4 grades below their level, they don't deserve to graduate. Welcome to life, where there are expectations of performance on demand, not on whatever schedule you think best suits your aura.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
However, I had to score rather exceptionally on a test in order to attain it.
Hah. I dont know what point I'm trying to make, but hah, anyway.
Because I'm fucking retarded.
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Kuroi Madoushi got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Stop posting, you very clearly lack the reading comprehension skills.
I assure you, my comprehension is perfectly fine, you just like to type out things in a way to make yourself sound more intelligent than you actually are. Unfortunately, you can change your name all you want, you are still Maho.
I read what you posted, and yes I put it together just fine, it changes nothing in that your statements were still completely off the topic at hand, and put in a logical order that lead to the conclusion, again, tha this has nothing to do with tests and diploma's and everything to do with "I wanna look down on others". As I clearly said in the last line of my post.
You can claim you meant something else all together, change the meaning of your post, or what have you, but it still falls in that order.
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Kuroi Madoushi's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Logical extrapolation would suggest that, being too lazy to learn and become competent with material 4 years below their level, such people would likely become the drain on society I described. In fact, it's not even logical extrapolation, it's direct observation of social trends.
No, see, we have already seen that these people will get stuck with menial jobs which all around serve people who moved on be it construction, warehouse, fast food, or some other task like that. Either that or they dont do anything and rot in their parents house. Or quite possibly get their life together, get a GED, and go to college and put the past failures behind them.
Just because they didnt do their work in school doesnt mean they will be worthless forever. Fizodeth fucked around with this message on 10-03-2005 at 04:14 PM.
