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Tarquinn had this to say about dark elf butts:
A paladin was very boring for me to play.
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Kael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
[QB][/QB]
Lets marry!
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There was much rejoicing when Tarquinn said this:
Lets marry!
Take me to Vegas you hunk of bratwurst.
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Kael painfully thought these words up:
Take me to Vegas you hunk of bratwurst.
Get in your dress, I'm on my way!
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Tarquinn's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Get in your dress, I'm on my way!
Fuck you, I'm wearing the pants here 
We're *so* over.
Hunter fights consist of CNTL+1, 1,2,3,2,2,2,2, loot. Repeat.
Not that hard. Paladins are also AE Damage machines when you're fighting 'shit mobs' inside an instance. Running through UDStrath there's a Paladin in my guild that I can't beat in damage, but going through SCSthrath I beat his ass (and through UBRS, BRD, etc, etc).
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We were all impressed when Delidgamond wrote:
Hunter fights consist of CNTL+1, 1,2,3,2,2,2,2, loot. Repeat.
Most classes are like that solo.
A good paladin is an asset to any group and when a fight starts going rough and can avoid many wipes. You heal well enough to keep the softies up and to salvage a bad pull. You can offtank a mob and heal yourself, effectively isolating that mob from the rest of the group and allowing the healer to focus on the main tank. You cleanse, removing a magic/poison/disease debuff, an ability not to be underestimated. Cleanse combined with things like Blessing of Protection (and in PvP, Blessing of Freedom) you can keep your party up and running, literally.
Soloing, longevity is the paladin's key. A fight may take much longer than a rogue or mage's fight, but you are guranteed to have less downtime than the mage, and you are far more likely to survive a fight gone bad than a mage or sometimes even a rogue is.
The damage you put out is fairly weak most of the time, but in solo PvE this only requires your patience. In PvP, the damage you put out can be sufficient, if you have a good two-handed weapon. This is helped by the fact that Holy Damage from things like Seal of Command and the soon-to-be-released Hammer of Wrath are not effected by armor or resists
In high end instances, Paladins provide a little DPS where they can, but mostly cleanse raidmembers and act as auxiliary priests. I'm not going to lie to you, even with 8 Paladins, distributing Blessings throughout a 40 person raid is a terribly obnoxious thing. And as any Horde will surely complain to you, Blessing of Salvation especially is a tremendous boon to a high end raid force (our other blessings are nothing to shrug off either).
Now, for PvP. A Paladin's utility in PvP is directly related to the ability of his or her group. If you have a bad group, healing them and keeping them going isn't going to help. Your job is to provide DPS that while not devastating, is difficult to get rid of. They can't simply focus on you for a moment and be rid of you. Your job is to heal your party members and keep them clear of the wide range of debuffs that Horde members will apply to them.
Now, in large scale, chaotic PvP, the paladin is easily outclassed by the Shaman, as the Paladin's healing becomes more hectic and less effective. Even in small-scale unstructured PvP, a Paladin may find themselves outclassed by shamans.
Right now, the most frequent arena for PvP on most servers though is Warsong Gulch (Capture the Flag). Paladins excel uniquely at this form of match. You have limited numbers and it vital to keep party members going, and keep them mobile (cleanse and Blessing of Freedom come into play here). Furthermore, when a person does pick up the flag, the Paladin runs along side them and provides all the heals, cleanses, and BoFs that person needs to keep the flag moving towards your base. The paladin can even carry the flag themselves and be a plate-wearing, cleanse-casting, steady-moving runner, but this robs you of the freedom to use your invulnerability shield on yourself and heal the flag carrier (which, in this case, is you).
I sort of rambled for a bit, but let me just say that I am quite happy with my class now that I've settled into a more satisfying play group (i.e. better guild) and can make better use of my abilities as a support class.
I am also on Elune so I may end up looking you up for some advice. Right now I have Azizza as a Hunter and my Paladin is named Flaime.
It's not something people hear about.
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Rockstar games presents; Sean;
God.
haha
Are you planning to solo or group more?
If you play a pvp server, you're screwed either way. You either have a class that can't kill anyone, but never really dies (paladin), or a class that can pwn people, but can be very frustrating at times (hunter, but this is pre 1.7, where in 1.7, apparently BM hunters are now ridiculously overpowered)
If you're on a pve, then it matters if you want to solo or group more. If you want to solo more, take a hunter, because they are good at soloing and small grouping.
If you want to group a lot, be a paladin. People need paladins more than hunters.
Hunters have use to groups, but the only problem is (like rogues), that there tend to be so many that it's really hard to find a spot.
So you need to tell us what server you're on ;p
Note: Paladins are getting revamped...in like three months. If you don't mind waiting that long.
Edit: Rosa, do you have AV going very often on Elune? Lenlalron Flameblaster fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 12:59 PM.
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ACES! Another post by Lenlalron Flameblaster:
Edit: Rosa, do you have AV going very often on Elune?
Goes about once a week it seems, although people are trying to get it to run more often.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Lenlalron Flameblaster wrote:
Edit: Rosa, do you have AV going very often on Elune?
No.
There's only about a 50/50 chance of getting an, singular, AV running on Friday nights. The population imbalance here is just sick. Sean fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 01:02 PM.
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
No.There's only about a 50/50 chance of getting an, singular, AV running on Friday nights. The population imbalance here is just sick.
Well, I'm working on it, my Horde Warrior is 24. What about you, Sean?
Are you part of solution, or are you part of the problem?
And actually, there was a random AV last Tuesday, which is almost unheard of. Otherwise, they're right, we sometimes get AV on Friday.
I do urge you to play on Horde if you play Elune. Look up Janet and anyone from El Drama de Elune, and I'll see if I can get you in my guild's little "Alt guild", if you want.
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Now, in large scale, chaotic PvP, the paladin is easily outclassed by the Shaman, as the Paladin's healing becomes more hectic and less effective. Even in small-scale unstructured PvP, a Paladin may find themselves outclassed by shamans.
That's what rogues are for. Playing a shaman, and now playing a rogue, the fact that shamans have next to no way to get away from a rogue makes them a pretty easy target to kill. Even easier with a paladin because the paladin provides a nice distraction and an opening stun.
Unless you're fighting an orc shaman, which is the strongest race a shaman can be, in my opinion.
Paladins can survive against rogues pretty well, though can get taken down by a rogue that doesn't just stand there and hit em. Shamans have to count on quickly ripping the rogue down, or they'll get their teeth kicked in.
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Nobody really understood why Batty wrote:
You're smoking something crazy man. I've met very few Rogues who can beat me in either duels or actual PvP. ;D As a Tauren Shaman, I don't need no innate stun resist! My armor is high enough that I negate most of their damage, I mess with their heads with off beat heals so they waste kick, and then they're toast. Hell, I'd say Rogues are one of the easiest classes for Shaman to kill.
Yeah, he's a little out there.
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Well, I'm working on it, my Horde Warrior is 24. What about you, Sean?
Are you part of solution, or are you part of the problem?
Bitch, get up out my face 'less I have to go Ike Turner on your ass.
It's not something people hear about.
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Batty was listening to Cher while typing:
You're smoking something crazy man. I've met very few Rogues who can beat me in either duels or actual PvP. ;D As a Tauren Shaman, I don't need no innate stun resist! My armor is high enough that I negate most of their damage, I mess with their heads with off beat heals so they waste kick, and then they're toast. Hell, I'd say Rogues are one of the easiest classes for Shaman to kill.
Eh, skill changes the fight a lot. Most shamans I've fought simply don't do too well after they have been cheap shotted, hit with crippling poison, and then are hit with Kidney shot.
Then again, most shamans I fight spam Frost Shock on me.
Edit: Then again, how come me, and various other shamans in the guild I was in would get our asses kicked by rogues?
Then again, I've also never heard of anyone using offbeat heals to fight off someone in pvp. Willias fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 01:39 PM.
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Eh, skill changes the fight a lot. Most shamans I've fought simply don't do too well after they have been cheap shotted, hit with crippling poison, and then are hit with Kidney shot.Then again, most shamans I fight spam Frost Shock on me.
Skill does change things a lot.
And frost shock is not an I win button (at least not anymore).
Any Shaman worth his salt uses flame shock and searing totem on Rogues.
Edit: For your edit, you learn to use a lot of weird tactics on PvP servers. Like off beat heals. Start heal, cancel it, they're gonna hit kick button when no spell is going, heal for real. Batty fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 01:40 PM.
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Batty had this to say about Knight Rider:
Skill does change things a lot.And frost shock is not an I win button (at least not anymore).
Any Shaman worth his salt uses flame shock and searing totem on Rogues.
Most shaman do use Searing Totem, but I'm really used to getting spammed with Frost Shock as a rogue.
Of course however, I'm speaking with experience under level 40. Mail armor may change things more than I expect it to.
And an edit for your edit: Very rarely do I have enough energy for a kick when I need it. I try to use the shaman's healing against them and get behind and backstab while they stand still for a heal (most of the ones I run into stand still while healing). I find gouge works better, because you can shut down the shaman for a couple of seconds, and line up another backstab. Willias fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 01:45 PM.
Mail changes everything against a Rogue.
It's not something people hear about.
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Kael had this to say about Captain Planet:
Fuck you, I'm wearing the pants hereWe're *so* over.
Scew you!
Willias is much better in bed than you anyway.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Willias said:
Most shaman do use Searing Totem, but I'm really used to getting spammed with Frost Shock as a rogue.Of course however, I'm speaking with experience under level 40. Mail armor may change things more than I expect it to.
And an edit for your edit: Very rarely do I have enough energy for a kick when I need it. I try to use the shaman's healing against them and get behind and backstab while they stand still for a heal (most of the ones I run into stand still while healing). I find gouge works better, because you can shut down the shaman for a couple of seconds, and line up another backstab.
Mail does change everything. Shaman go from like, 20% reduction with a shield out to 40-50% reduction. Which is a huge difference. And you haven't even fought a Shaman with windfury yet. ;D
Yes, we do have to stand still for a heal but the heal we'll use is only 1.5 second casting time, it's hard to fit anything into that time. And the higher level Shaman will all have Nature's Swiftness which means insta-heal.
Things change a lot for class balance at 40. ^_^
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Azizza probably says this to all the girls:
Sorry. I have no interest in playing Horde. I like Elves and Humans.
You also like taking it up the ass.
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Batty was naked while typing this:
Mail does change everything. Shaman go from like, 20% reduction with a shield out to 40-50% reduction. Which is a huge difference. And you haven't even fought a Shaman with windfury yet. ;DYes, we do have to stand still for a heal but the heal we'll use is only 1.5 second casting time, it's hard to fit anything into that time. And the higher level Shaman will all have Nature's Swiftness which means insta-heal.
Things change a lot for class balance at 40. ^_^
Already fought shaman that have Windfury and a 2h weapon, or they have Nature's Swiftness.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Willias was all like:
Already fought shaman that have Windfury and a 2h weapon, or they have Nature's Swiftness.
Oh snap, your Rogue is higher than it was earlier! Double the level!
But yeah, things will change a bit...you'll probably want to avoid fighting a Shaman really unless they're really low mana/health.
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There was much rejoicing when Batty said this:
Oh snap, your Rogue is higher than it was earlier! Double the level!But yeah, things will change a bit...you'll probably want to avoid fighting a Shaman really unless they're really low mana/health.
Yeah. Once Shamans start hitting higher instances for loot, it's all over for Rogue/Shaman PVP.
It's not something people hear about.
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There was much rejoicing when Batty said this:
Edit: For your edit, you learn to use a lot of weird tactics on PvP servers. Like off beat heals. Start heal, cancel it, they're gonna hit kick button when no spell is going, heal for real.
Except for those of us who don't use kick, but instead go for Gouge (free self heal or free energy regen) or Kidney Shot (and keep beating on yer ass)
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Lenlalron Flameblaster was naked while typing this:
If you're any class, minus a druid, I don't think you want to fight a shaman.
Shamen don't wanna fight each other?
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We were all impressed when Random Insanity Generator wrote:
Shamen don't wanna fight each other?
That'd be more boring than Paladin duels. 
It's not something people hear about.
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Random Insanity Generator wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Shamen don't wanna fight each other?
No, that'd be an actual challenge. ;p Lenlalron Flameblaster fucked around with this message on 09-09-2005 at 04:46 PM.
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Sean probably says this to all the girls:
That'd be more boring than Paladin duels.
Druid vs paladin duel is even worse than a paladin vs paladin duel.
As far as the original question goes, I recommend neither. There's too many paladins and too many hunters, while neither is really that great of a class. Its entirely your call though.
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Talonus attempted to be funny by writing:
Druid vs paladin duel is even worse than a paladin vs paladin duel.As far as the original question goes, I recommend neither. There's too many paladins and too many hunters, while neither is really that great of a class. Its entirely your call though.
Talonus and I dueled for like 20 minutes before we gave up. 
You need to see Wrage duel though. Never seen a Druid win duels so easily.
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Sean's fortune cookie read:
That'd be more boring than Paladin duels.
Actually, shaman duels end really quick. Typically, whoever can do the most damage in the shortest period of time wins a shaman duel.
And warriors can do pretty well against shaman.
