Edit: Wrong tag. El Cuchillo fucked around with this message on 08-19-2005 at 12:21 AM.
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Hadoken Swiftstrider now has gossip text.
Shoryuken is still bugged, though.
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How.... Naimah.... uughhhhhh:
Mages get nothing and Warriors get nerfed to hell. Yay.
I still fail to see how this is a nerf to hell. You.. can't godmode through low level instances anymore?
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean's account was hax0red to write:
I still fail to see how this is a nerf to hell. You.. can't godmode through low level instances anymore?
Defense was cut by a third. AKA nerfed to hell.
Everyone gets hit by this, stop acting like Warriors are some great big nerf target.
Edit Er, wait, I don't know if that'll kill Paladin safe fall or not, but sorry Priests. Sean fucked around with this message on 08-19-2005 at 12:47 AM.
It's not something people hear about.
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Sean had this to say about (_|_):
+Defense items.Everyone gets hit by this, stop acting like Warriors are some great big nerf target. I'd say Paladins got hit harder by losing their faux-safe fall.
Wait, what other class utilizes +Def items to the extent warriors do. Oh that's right, none. Naimah fucked around with this message on 08-19-2005 at 12:46 AM.
Wait, you? Are you even a fucking Warrior? Sean fucked around with this message on 08-19-2005 at 12:50 AM.
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Sean stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Still a moot point, bucko. You're still top Defense; everyone else fell just as far as you did, by 33%. Your 33% just happens to be larger, you know, because you had more of it.Wait, you? Are you even a fucking Warrior?
I have an alt. And warrior nerfs affect everyone. Because to get back that 1/3 def they lost they are going to have to sacrifice other stats. Thus making them less durable and more difficult for them to keep agro.
Warriors are not the shiny little center of the universe. 
It's not something people hear about.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Sean said:
Yes, a 33% nerf to +Defense items hurts everyone. Is that not what I said two posts above?Warriors are not the shiny little center of the universe.
Warriors are the only ones that get hit by it directly. Everyone else just has to deal with it in a secondary nature. There are going to be warriors that are going to have to spend a week or two just to find enough def gear to replace all that they lost from this.
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Sean had this to say about John Romero:
+Defense items.Everyone gets hit by this, stop acting like Warriors are some great big nerf target.
Edit Er, wait, I don't know if that'll kill Paladin safe fall or not, but sorry Priests.
Previously, you were able to put up a level one PW:S and jump off any cliff and live. You could also put up defensive stance and jump off any cliff and live as a warrior, too.
Gone are the days when you can get an eye of Kilrogg ANYWHERE with a simple PW:S and a longass jump.
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Delphi Aegis was listening to Cher while typing:
You could also put up defensive stance and jump off any cliff and live as a warrior, too.
Let's ask Black about that. 
It's not something people hear about.
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El Cuchillo had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
That's one of the things I need to get on Test and check. Leap off FWP and hit Ice Block on the way down... saves me feathers!
You can also blink before you hit the ground, apparently. Though I haven't *quite* got the timing down.
It'll make tanking highend stuff quite a bit harder, as far as our MT said.
Oh my god, they did it, they finally did it! There is finally a market for flasks now! GLEE!
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Tarquinn said:
Flasks? What flasks?
Not sure if this is sarcastic or not... but just in case...
Flask of Distilled Wisdom
Flask of Supreme Power
Flask of the Titans
Flask of Chromatic Resistance
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We were all impressed when Vorago wrote:
Not sure if this is sarcastic or not... but just in case...Flask of Distilled Wisdom
Flask of Supreme Power
Flask of the Titans
Flask of Chromatic Resistance
No, it wasn't. My highest char was lvl 50 and I apparantly never came into contact with those flasks.
Thanks.
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Flea had this to say about the Spice Girls:
The recipes for said flasks are pretty rare in themselves and you need to make a run through scholo in order to use the alchemy lab and combine 400 different herbs into one flask. If you have a lot of time on your hands, it is worth it for places like MC/BWL if you are guaranteed not to die (pre-patch). And I still don't see them being used in places other than this post-patch due to the cost of the mats.
The mats for Supreme Power in particular aren't that rough, just pure herbs, no stonescale oil or cap...
And I imagine there would be a large market for more spell ownery for all those lone wolf honour farming mages in pvp 
Or heck, even the suicide aoers
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Mr. Parcelan obviously shouldn't have said:
Same deal as ever: Rogues get buffed, everyone else gets screwed.
You know, it's not trolling unless you try to make a valid point.
It's not something people hear about.
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Mr. Parcelan wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Same deal as ever: Rogues get buffed, everyone else gets screwed.
Whuh?
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Knight Rider:
Same deal as ever: Rogues get buffed, everyone else gets screwed.
Hmm... let me glance through the notes here and try to count up buffs/nerfs here.
Druid: 1 big buff to cat form, 1 other buff, 1 nerf. (Moonfire stun.)
Hunter: Too many changes here to really set down a number.
Mage: 1 buff (being able to target Blizzard/FS on the run will be a huge boon to frost mages or people with PoM).
Paladin: 1 BIG buff, 1 bug fix (?), 1... uh... what's Divine Favor do?
Rogue: 3 buffs, 2 nerfs. (Global weapon switch cooldown, mace stun resist.)
Priest: 3 buffs.
Shaman: 1 (minor) buff.
Warlock: 4 definite buffs, 3 quasi-buffs, 1 bug fix, 1 nerf. (Inferno stun resist.)
Warrior: 4 buffs, 5 nerfs. (Stun effects, Retaliation, global weapon switch cooldown, +DEF items.)
So, alright, at first glance, I guess rogues made out slightly better than warriors did, but they hardly did better than everybody else. Or did I miss something?
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about dark elf butts:
Coupled with the fact that rogues have never gotten a nerf in the past months? It still sucks.
Probably because we're pretty balanced and don't need drastic nerfing. And we have been nerfed. Little things, yes, but they still impact playstyle and therefore cause us to readjust.
And quite frankly, warriors have nothing to complain about. They're one of the most wanted classes for PVE, they're one of the more powerful group PVP classes, what the hell else do you want? Oh no, we rogues can stun, yeah let's nerf stuns because warriors don't get a long stun like those stupid rogues do! Even though a warrior in valor can walk away with a crapload of hitpoints and crush my skull with their arcanite reaper after the cheapshot wears off. Forget about that. That cheap shot is lethal and should be done away with right now.
That +def change? People will adjust. Yeah warriors will cry about it for awhile, but then they'll move on. Honestly, warrior itemization is great. So you got a little +def nerf? Go cry about it to the mages, priests, and warlocks, I'm sure they'll LOVE to hear it. Yeah, especially the mages, who end up wearing blue PVP gear over their arcanist set. Oh, I think you should add in the little bit about the Unstoppable Force nerf. Yeah, they'll sympathize with you there. Totally.
Seriously, maybe if this was the beginning of release I'd understand warrior complaints. But it's not, and right now warriors are pretty much a touch more overpowered than other classes.
Yes, I'm pretty bitter right now about walking away from a game where a warrior in valor and an arcanite reaper did exactly what I described above. Tore me apart. I am using a freaking perdition's/wearing nightslayer and bloodfang. I will state this: a well-played warrior will generally defeat a well-played rogue. Of course you get gear/effort/blahblah that mixes in, but those don't always tell the final outcome.
I'm fairly satisfied with Warriors, too. If anything, the Rogues are the one bitching about Warriors because it's the one class they have trouble with. Every day there are tons of posts on the general forums about how unbalanced Overpower is and how unfair it is that Orc Warriors can resist stuns.
But hey, way to jump to conclusions.
quote:Warriors have nothing to complain about yet.
Mr. Parcelan.
But hey, way to jump to conclusions.
They're still a bit overpowered thanks to stupid mechanic flaws and horrible itemization.
p.s. cry more addy, we really care you (rogue) lost to an arcanite reaper wielding warrior. oh no wait we don't. You think your MC gear is going to have that huge "omg I can't lose to a Non-epic-geared-warrior now" effect or something?
I told you faggots that warriors were too powerful in PvP a while ago and until they change the way instant attacks work as well as stop making stupidly slow high DPS two handers, you can expect them to stay that way.
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Blackened impressed everyone with:
Warriors have nothing to complain about yet.They're still a bit overpowered thanks to stupid mechanic flaws and horrible itemization.
p.s. cry more addy, we really care you (rogue) lost to an arcanite reaper wielding warrior. oh no wait we don't. You think your MC gear is going to have that huge "omg I can't lose to a Non-epic-geared-warrior now" effect or something?
I told you faggots that warriors were too powerful in PvP a while ago and until they change the way instant attacks work as well as stop making stupidly slow high DPS two handers, you can expect them to stay that way.
How should instant attacks work if not the way they work now?
Rogues can pick and choose their battles and should be picking and choosing not to fight warriors because warriors are a hard counter to them in a fair fight. Amazing gear on the part of the rogue will offset some of it but the warrior is still designed to just trump the rogue.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Robocop:
Same deal as ever: Rogues get buffed, everyone else gets screwed.
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Switching weapons in combat triggers a 1 second global cooldown for all abilities for rogues and a 1.5 second global cooldown for everyone else.
This hurts rogues more than any other class.
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Blackened had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Warriors have nothing to complain about yet.They're still a bit overpowered thanks to stupid mechanic flaws and horrible itemization.
Quite frankly, I don't see how warrior will ever reach a balanced state. Mudflation is a big reason as to why they've grown stronger and stronger since relase. Until Blizzard puts a stop to mudflation, which doesn't look like it'll happen anytime soon, or they start balancing with it in mind, which I doubt will happen, warriors will continue to grow stronger.
