I think it is time I invested in a motorcycle.
How much is gas where you live?
It's not something people hear about.
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Pvednes had this to say about Knight Rider:
AU$1.19/L and rising very quickly.
Do Australians rely on driving as much, though?
I'm so selling my truck. I take the train to work, anyway; there's absolutely no compelling reason for me to own a vehicle of any sort, let alone one that gets 17 mpg, or 13.8 L/100Km for you Europeans.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Snugglits's account was hax0red to write:
Do Australians rely on driving as much, though?
At least as much as you guys, possibly considerably more so.
I know I drive around ~500km a week. Pvednes fucked around with this message on 08-12-2005 at 12:59 PM.
:S soon to hit a dollar i fear !!
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Entertain me with more of your bullshit, Snugglits.
Do Australians rely on driving as much, though?
I thought they all rode around in kangaroo pouches.
It's not something people hear about.
The AU and CA prices sound like around US$3/gallon, if my estimates are accurate.
On the bright side, all the whining and panic isn't really warranted, because the price of oil is nowhere near record highs if one does math correctly and uses constand dollars. In constant dollars, oil prices peaked in the late '70s at what would be near $80/barrel in today's dollars. Haven't seen the math for gas prices, but I'm sure it's pretty much the same. Of course, we also had double-digit interest rates and rampant inflation then, too, so things aren't bad today.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage still thinks SARS jokes are topical, as evidenced by:
We have the most expensive gas in the nation here in Pebble Beach. Not sure what it is lately, but it was over $3 months ago.On the bright side, all the whining and panic isn't really warranted, because the price of oil is nowhere near record highs if one does math correctly and uses constand dollars. In constant dollars, oil prices peaked in the late '70s at what would be near $80/barrel in today's dollars. Haven't seen the math for gas prices, but I'm sure it's pretty much the same. Of course, we also had double-digit interest rates and rampant inflation then, too, so things aren't bad today.
Give it a year, and oil will be $80 a barrel. That's probably a safe bet.
Of course, oil will never drop below $80 a barrel after that. Well, until we run out.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Sure wish we'd built some refineries over the past 30 years, eh?
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Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
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Sure wish we'd built some refineries over the past 30 years, eh?
I hope that was a crack about how personally it would be nice to have an oil refinery or well.
See from what I have been giveing to know, there is more than enough production and supply to meet out needs, it is mostly speculations and the big companies deciding to cash in while they can.
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x--PeterO-('-'Q) :
See from what I have been giveing to know, there is more than enough production and supply to meet out needs, it is mostly speculations and the big companies deciding to cash in while they can.
Then what you know is pretty much wrong, although I'm not surprised as that's what all the anti-corporate demonizers and conspiracy theorists are saying.
We're slaves to foreign oil, and that's why prices are high. More than half of our oil consumption is imported. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 08-12-2005 at 11:29 PM.
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Quoth Peter:
I hope that was a crack about how personally it would be nice to have an oil refinery or well.See from what I have been giveing to know, there is more than enough production and supply to meet out needs, it is mostly speculations and the big companies deciding to cash in while they can.
No, the problem is huge demand and fairly maxed-out refining. And demand will only increase steeply in the coming years, primarily due to modernization in China.
Both oil production and refining will have to increase to keep pace.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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And coming in at #1 is Maradon! with "Reply." I'm Casey Casem.
Of course, now that the energy bill has been passed, and ANWAR drilling has been tucked safely into the budget where it can't be filibustered, we'll be seeing a pretty steep drop over the next... decade or two.Sure wish we'd built some refineries over the past 30 years, eh?
Eh, we'd just be setting ourselves up for an even worse crunch, as oil would be cheaper, but prices would rise much more sharply in ten or twenty years, when the pinch of life after Peak Oil. At least this sort of "heads up" gives us time to focus on shifting away from oil and towards something else. After all, the switch needs to be done by the time you and I are old enough to retire and live in an all-gay senior community. The oil just ain't gonna last past that.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj was naked while typing this:
Eh, we'd just be setting ourselves up for an even worse crunch, as oil would be cheaper, but prices would rise much more sharply in ten or twenty years, when the pinch of life after Peak Oil. At least this sort of "heads up" gives us time to focus on shifting away from oil and towards something else. After all, the switch needs to be done by the time you and I are old enough to retire and live in an all-gay senior community. The oil just ain't gonna last past that.
One would hope so, though we've all had warning on it since 1949.
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Maradon! wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Then what you know is pretty much wrong, although I'm not surprised as that's what all the anti-corporate demonizers and conspiracy theorists are saying.....
No you see my old man has dug wells and done exploretory work out in the oil fields, has ran a refinery for a large Oil/gas company, and currently builds the large distriubution networks for a Natural gas company. He's been in the oil industery for the past 30 years. He is not a anti-corporate demonizer or a conspiracy theorist. Rather he is someone that has have first hand knowledge on what resources we really have, how much it costs to refine the oil out into gas, and in the process he has gained buddies in said areas and are now usally fairly high in the compaines, they tend to talk shop when they get around together, SO outside the fact he is my old man, I would consider him someone that can give a rather informed opnion based on his experiance, schooling and current employment.
You know is it possible for you to respond to something with out throwing some dumbass rant into it? All it does it make you look like a prick.
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So quoth Bloodsage:
No, the problem is huge demand and fairly maxed-out refining. And demand will only increase steeply in the coming years, primarily due to modernization in China.Both oil production and refining will have to increase to keep pace.
..See that's the speculation part, the price is being set on speculation, And given my old man's background on knowing the legwork and costs it takes to get from black gooey shit in the earth to sweet petro-chem pouring out of the fractioning tower, it is being over-speculated in his opinon. I would really have to ask him about maxed-out refineing, I am probally going east with him tomorrow, I could get back to you on it, only time I have really been that interested in the refineries is how they work and what comes out of them, or what the burn off tower is for, or stuff like that.
---Granted you are getting the engineer's POV, not the POV of the beancounter wanting to make profit.
$2.88/gal for 93 D=
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Jaggedpine Mistwalker had this to say about Robocop:
It could be worse, you could live in Chicago...$2.88/gal for 93 D=
93 is over 3$ a gallon here.
I drive about 120 miles round trip to work 5 days a week. I need to have a gas pump in my yard.
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Verily, Nae doth proclaim:I drive about 120 miles round trip to work 5 days a week. I need to have a gas pump in my yard.
Wait a second.. I think I said that wrong. I drive 60 miles one way to work, so it would be 120 miles round trip. Right?
Need coffee!
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Peter absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
..See that's the speculation part, the price is being set on speculation, And given my old man's background on knowing the legwork and costs it takes to get from black gooey shit in the earth to sweet petro-chem pouring out of the fractioning tower, it is being over-speculated in his opinon. I would really have to ask him about maxed-out refineing, I am probally going east with him tomorrow, I could get back to you on it, only time I have really been that interested in the refineries is how they work and what comes out of them, or what the burn off tower is for, or stuff like that.---Granted you are getting the engineer's POV, not the POV of the beancounter wanting to make profit.
Um, China's growing need for oil isn't speculation. It's a trend that can be extrapolated fairly accurately from current data.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
