I think they're stupid fucks, basically. A federal Europe is a good thing. Squabbling countries getting nothing done are not.
Discuss the stupid French in here.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Kait wrote:
Never trust a nation of people whosmoke in the showerfight with their feet, fuck with their faces and smell like bad, old cheese.
Fixed that for you.
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Nobody really understood why Mortious wrote:Discuss the stupid French in here.
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Callalron had this to say about Captain Planet:
Fixed that for you.
Ah, thanks. I just wanted to keep myself from getting in too deep, in case there were any crazed Frenchmen around, you know, holding a cig in their toes and smelling of Limburger.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Callalron said:
Fixed that for you.
Did a Frenchman run over your dog, or something?
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This one time, at Pvednes camp:
Did a Frenchman run over your dog, or something?
Impossible, no Frenchmen drive SUVs. And anything smaller wouldn't do the trick.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about (_|_):
Please explain to me the benefits of Federal Europe or EU.
About the same advantages and disadvantages the United States of America offer over 50+ sovereign states in the same region.
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CBTao had this to say about Cuba:
So Europe is essentially attempting to merge into another superpower?
We are an economical superpower already, and we have no need or desire to become a military superpower.
So, no. Kinda. Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 06-03-2005 at 04:14 AM.
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Nobody really understood why Maradon! wrote:
It's a shame, too. I wanted to see all of europe united under what would invariably become a command economy
The French rejected the new constitution in part because they felt it was too capitalist compared to what's in place now.
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From the book of CBTao, chapter 3, verse 16:
So Europe is essentially attempting to merge into another superpower?
They're just trying to make Voltron, but America already has the Megazord so they'll just sit there and play solitare.
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Tarquinn had this to say about Pirotess:
We are an economical superpower already, and we have no need or desire to become a military superpower.So, no. Kinda.
So then...if its not to merge into a military superpower, then what is the purpose of a federal Europe?
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CBTao stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
So then...if its not to merge into a military superpower, then what is the purpose of a federal Europe?
Better cooperation on a social, cultural, military and economical level.
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Tarquinn obviously shouldn't have said:
Better cooperation on a social, cultural, military and economical level.
I fail to see how this either
a. benefits the individual nations
b. isn't forming ultimately to an economic and military superpower.
If its meant to combine (under a singular authority, things don't "cooperate" they exist in tandem) social and cultural aspects of Europe, doesn't that dissolve the diversity of its social and cultural structures, which I do not find beneficial.
And with those two gone, and the fact that according to Tarquinn, Europe is already a economic superpower. This sorta leaves only military might to be gained, which is contradictory to Tarquinn's previous statement.
(Keep in mind I haven't kept up with Europe, its economy, its politics, or anything close to that, I'm basing any argument I have off of whatever Tarquinn is saying.)
Could you then please explain the benefits of unifying culture and social structure, and clear up why you said it wasn't for military in one post, and then in your next post, listed military as a benefit?
edit: disclaimer: all posts after 3am may not flow as smoothly as post earlier than 3am, but should still be understandable to some extent, please keep bitching to a minimum, -mgmt CBTao fucked around with this message on 06-03-2005 at 05:13 AM.
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CBTao had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I fail to see how this eithera. benefits the individual nations
b. isn't forming ultimately to an economic and military superpower.If its meant to combine (under a singular authority, things don't "cooperate" they exist in tandem) social and cultural aspects of Europe, doesn't that dissolve the diversity of its social and cultural structures, which I do not find beneficial.
And with those two gone, and the fact that according to Tarquinn, Europe is already a economic superpower. This sorta leaves only military might to be gained, which is contradictory to Tarquinn's previous statement.
(Keep in mind I haven't kept up with Europe, its economy, its politics, or anything close to that, I'm basing any argument I have off of whatever Tarquinn is saying.)
Could you then please explain the benefits of unifying culture and social structure, and clear up why you said it wasn't for military in one post, and then in your next post, listed military as a benefit?
edit: disclaimer: all posts after 3am may not flow as smoothly as post earlier than 3am, but should still be understandable to some extent, please keep bitching to a minimum, -mgmt
Eh, answering this might take a while. Currently I am at work, and I'm not sure if I find the time to do it this weekend. Also, I'd like to point out that I am not an expert on these matters. If anyone with enough knowledge and time likes to answer this in the meantime, I would not mind. If not, I will see what I can do.
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CBTao says po-ta-to, I say pa-ta-to:
I fail to see how this eithera. benefits the individual nations
b. isn't forming ultimately to an economic and military superpower.If its meant to combine (under a singular authority, things don't "cooperate" they exist in tandem) social and cultural aspects of Europe, doesn't that dissolve the diversity of its social and cultural structures, which I do not find beneficial.
No. Just like the south still has it's culture and the north still has it's culture. And disolving athoritative differences makes regulations infinately more easier to understand and comply with. Just try working for a company that sells material to Europe. It's a procedural nightmare. Lucky me gets to code for it too.
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And with those two gone, and the fact that according to Tarquinn, Europe is already a economic superpower. This sorta leaves only military might to be gained, which is contradictory to Tarquinn's previous statement.(Keep in mind I haven't kept up with Europe, its economy, its politics, or anything close to that, I'm basing any argument I have off of whatever Tarquinn is saying.)
Combined Europe has a buying power in the same range of that of America. But it isn't much of a super power when whatever Germany buys doesn't more than marginally effect the value of goods in Spain. Regulational differences makes it hard to handle Europe as one big market.
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Could you then please explain the benefits of unifying culture and social structure, and clear up why you said it wasn't for military in one post, and then in your next post, listed military as a benefit?edit: disclaimer: all posts after 3am may not flow as smoothly as post earlier than 3am, but should still be understandable to some extent, please keep bitching to a minimum, -mgmt
I've touched on the major one. 20 different governments making all their own rules will never produce the regulational continential unification provided by a large government.
Who cares about Military besides America anymore, anyway?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj wrote this stupid crap:
Is the constitution itself absolutely massive? Like 500 pages or something?
Yes, it's not really a constitution though, the politicians responsible for it have only titled it as such for publicity and it bit them in the ass, it's more of an institutional reform to accomodate expansion coupled with a re-codification of many existing treaties.
European constitutions do tend to be pretty massive though, not exactly 500 pages massive for the most part but due to the tendency of continental-European law to codify everything and not rely on case law I doubt you'll find a constitution in the EU as short as the US one.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Mod who doth quote:
The French rejected the new constitution in part because they felt it was too capitalist compared to what's in place now.
Yeah, I know! Haha!
Poor french don't want to give up their six weeks vacation and four day work weeks.
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Maradon! attempted to be funny by writing:
Yeah, I know! Haha!Poor french don't want to give up their six weeks vacation and four day work weeks.
The French want some quality of life, imagine that.
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Mod booooze lime pole over bench lick:
The French want some quality of life, imagine that.
They just don't want to, you know, work for it or anything.
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Maradon! spewed forth this undeniable truth:
They just don't want to, you know, work for it or anything.
No, they are accepting a lesser GDP in exchange for a shorter workyear.
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Moding:
No, they are accepting a lesser GDP in exchange for a shorter workyear.
And in the process engineering economic collapse.
Their revolutionary "work week" scheme is such a miserable failure that they've even repealed it and are now desperatly trying to encourage people to work more.
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Maradon! had this to say about pies:
And in the process engineering economic collapse.Their revolutionary "work week" scheme is such a miserable failure that they've even repealed it and are now desperatly trying to encourage people to work more.
Yes, that's why the Chirac government is so unpopular. The French are collectively rejecting moves to implement American-style working conditions in France.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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So quoth Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
Don't see what's wrong with American-style "working conditions".
If you value maximum productivity per person and a maximum amount of personal wealth nothing. If you value working as little as possible for a decent life and as much time at your personal disposal as possible, everything.
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Mod had this to say about Punky Brewster:
If you value maximum productivity per person and a maximum amount of personal wealth nothing. If you value working as little as possible for a decent life and as much time at your personal disposal as possible, everything.
So, again, in other words. Dependable Hardworking Individuals vs Lazy Selfish Individuals.
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Faelynn LeAndris was naked while typing this:
So, again, in other words. Dependable Hardworking Individuals vs Lazy Selfish Individuals.
No. Individuals who value wealth vs individuals who value personal time. If you offered a person in support of a US style system the money he would usually earn with Euro-style labour laws he would jump at at, same with the supporter of the Euro-style system and US-level unemployment and average monthly wages. None of the two are working for the benefit of anyone but themselves and their family.
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Mod stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
No. Individuals who value wealth vs individuals who value personal time. If you offered a person in support of a US style system the money he would usually earn with Euro-style labour laws he would jump at at, same with the supporter of the Euro-style system and US-level unemployment and average monthly wages. None of the two are working for the benefit of anyone but themselves and their family.
Sounds like laziness to me.
Sounds like someone saying. "Hey, I wanna work as little as possible so I can have time to do whatever the hell I want because I live in a country where the government will take care of me and my family so I can be lazy, and still live a decent life."
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about dark elf butts:
Sounds like laziness to me.Sounds like someone saying. "Hey, I wanna work as little as possible so I can have time to do whatever the hell I want because I live in a country where the government will take care of me and my family so I can be lazy, and still live a decent life."
Everyone wants to work as little as possible, except perhaps masochists, the insane and the director in charge of licking off paint-on swimsuits off Russian supermodels, that's why it's called work and not a hobby, people in the US work for money, not because they consider it some sort of divine calling to clean canning machines and explain to customers that their bills won't be reduced even if it was in fact their kids that ran it up. People in Europe work for money as well, only that they do not have as much of a desire for it and as such vote for people who will maintain a short workyear and in turn lower yearly pay. If they wanted to work more and in turn get more money and lower unemployment they would be praising Chirac into high heaven.
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Faelynn LeAndris had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Sounds like laziness to me.Sounds like someone saying. "Hey, I wanna work as little as possible so I can have time to do whatever the hell I want because I live in a country where the government will take care of me and my family so I can be lazy, and still live a decent life."
So, I take it you're at work 365 days a year?
I'm more than happy to work five days a week in exchange for that.
