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Topic: The right to protect yourself is.. Racist?
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-02-2005 11:06:52 PM
quote:
Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Jackman gently hums:
Well an "?" I indicates I am asking a question. In this case I was not clear if the stamp was 8k or the gun was 8k. I do not know what level your reading comprehension skills are, but the P person to whom the post was directed to was able to answer the question, so I guess either his are better than yours, or you are simply looking for something to bitch about. Meanwhile the thread has moved on and it was more or less decided by the parties who were involved with the conversation that a gun was not for me and that I was going to stick with my panic button.

I grieve that your sensibilities were rattled; please accept my condolences.


Don't tease the grammar whores when you're wrong. The fact that someone had the talent and the time to spare to figure out what you were trying to say doesn't mean you said it correctly. Your question was not a question, unless it was rhetorical, because the only one who could possibly answer what you can afford is you. What you meant to say was, "8k for a stamp? I can't afford that!" Note also that contractions usually have apostrophes to indicate missing letters.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-02-2005 11:19:30 PM
I should have simply said 8k for the stamp or for the gun? At the time I couldn’t understand how the gun could be 8k so I was thinking the Stamp was 8k. I was also laboring under the belief the stamp was the legal right to own such a weapon and in order to purchase that right it was prohibitively expensive to keep it out of the reach of the common man.

So I learned several things and the question was answered. Why someone has to come along days latter and make a issue of it In my mind can only be for negative reasons, it's certainly not to educate or an attempt to reform the poster.

Black says " " And I am on the defensive and learn nothing

Bloodsage says " " and I see I was wrong and maybe even learn something.

Jackman fucked around with this message on 06-02-2005 at 11:20 PM.

Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 06-03-2005 10:58:46 AM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Punky Brewster:
A .50 is a stupid home defense weapon. You'll only get one shot before the bad guy is standing toe-to-toe handing you your gizzard. And most first shots miss. Not to mention the fact that you're likely to injure somebody in the next room or in the next apartment or walking by on the sidewalk, since your wild first shot is likely to go through several walls.

I agree. A .50 is a fun gun at a shooting range, but its no HD weapon. The only thing I disagree with is that "You'll only get one shot" comment. The gun fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. If you have weak little hands you will need to pull the hammer back or squeeze pretty hard on the trigger.

The colt .45 is a nice gun both for its stopping power and its accuracy. And for those of you who can't handle a .45 try a 9mm Glock or Beretta 92 or a Beretta 96 which uses a .40 cal.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 06-03-2005 11:40:40 AM
Please stick to topics you know about.
If someone is rushing you, you will be lucky to get off a hot before they are in knife range.
There is something that is called the 21 foot rule. If a person is within 21 feet of you then the chances are that you can not draw and fire your weapon before they have closed to contact range.
"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-03-2005 11:46:12 AM
What if I use my boots of escape?


Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Fizodeth
an unflattering title
posted 06-03-2005 12:16:40 PM
quote:
Jackman had this to say about John Romero:
What if I use my boots of escape?



You get shot.

Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-03-2005 01:05:42 PM
But I took my potion of protection against hot lead
Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-03-2005 07:21:12 PM
quote:
Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while DrPaintThinner gently hums:
I agree. A .50 is a fun gun at a shooting range, but its no HD weapon. The only thing I disagree with is that "You'll only get one shot" comment. The gun fires as fast as you can pull the trigger. If you have weak little hands you will need to pull the hammer back or squeeze pretty hard on the trigger.

The colt .45 is a nice gun both for its stopping power and its accuracy. And for those of you who can't handle a .45 try a 9mm Glock or Beretta 92 or a Beretta 96 which uses a .40 cal.


You're not much into guns, are you? Of course it'll shoot as fast as you pull the trigger, but shots #2 and above will be in the fucking ceiling if you do that.

There's a reason the .45 is about as big a sidearm as one can use effectively in combat. Anything bigger, and one's ability to put mulitple shots on target quickly is seriously degraded due to recoil. Even with a .45, one must practice consistently to correct for recoil quickly and well.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 06-03-2005 07:24:00 PM
quote:
Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
Even with a .45, one must practice consistently to correct for recoil quickly and well.

Even then, it'll be pretty hard to do when you're all freaked out because someone's broken into your house.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-03-2005 07:36:00 PM
quote:
Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Mr. Crabs gently hums:
Even then, it'll be pretty hard to do when you're all freaked out because someone's broken into your house.

That's why I use a 9mm, even though I've been around weapons all my life.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 06-03-2005 07:42:11 PM
quote:
Bloodsage wrote this stupid crap:
That's why I use a 9mm, even though I've been around weapons all my life.

You heard it here first folks: Bloodsage's weapon of choice is a 9mm of cap-yo'-ass

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 06-03-2005 07:43:07 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Tron:
That's why I use a 9mm, even though I've been around weapons all my life.

Yeah. If I were to own a weapon for home defense, that's what I'd go for as well. No shame in using a dinky gun when you're worried about recoil hitting your family.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-03-2005 07:49:50 PM
And there's no sense using a gun so powerful that it'll leave an exit wound and blow burglar juice all over your lovely home.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 06-03-2005 07:51:41 PM
quote:
JooJooFlop had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
And there's no sense using a gun so powerful that it'll leave an exit wound and blow burglar juice all over your lovely home.

Because when you're shooting intruders, at least be tidy about it.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-03-2005 07:51:54 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Mr. Crabs absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Yeah. If I were to own a weapon for home defense, that's what I'd go for as well. No shame in using a dinky gun when you're worried about recoil hitting your family.

That's why I also prefer Glazer ammo--no ricochets and no shooting through walls or bad guys. Just 100% kinetic energy tranferred to the target.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 06-03-2005 07:53:17 PM
quote:
And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Bloodsage was all like:
That's why I also prefer Glazer ammo--no ricochets and no shooting through walls or bad guys. Just 100% kinetic energy tranferred to the target.

That's awesome. I'll have to remember that if I ever decide to purchase a firearm for home defense purposes.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Sean
posted 06-03-2005 08:31:17 PM
quote:
Ahh man, I shot Bloodsage in the face.
There's a reason the .45 is about as big a sidearm as one can use effectively in combat. Anything bigger, and one's ability to put mulitple shots on target quickly is seriously degraded due to recoil. Even with a .45, one must practice consistently to correct for recoil quickly and well.

John Browning's Colt 1911.
Made out of American Flags, loaded with the blood of patriots, chambered in .45 Kick Your Ass.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 06-04-2005 12:32:14 AM
Controllability is relative to an extent.
I have no problem controlling my .45 handguns but many people my size or bigger do. The actual gun itself also has a lot to do with it. How long is the Barrel? Is it ported (bad Idea for a Defensive weapon), what grip style does it have?

All these things and many more have an impact on controllability. I carry a Kimber Pro Cary Officers model. My friend has a Cold Defender. His gun is heavier but has an inch shorter barrel. Both are Chambered in .45 ACP. In a given day I can put 300 rounds through my gun without a problem. 20 through his and I am ready to call it a day.

I personally don't like the 9mm round. Does this mean it is a bad cartridge? Of course not. For Sage it is the perfect round for home defense. I just prefer something a bit bigger. Therefore I have no handguns chambered under .40S&W. I also have no Personal defense weapons chambered above .45 ACP. Yes I have a .44 Mag but it is not an ideal weapon for protection.

Your common handgun calibers are as follows

.22
.25
.32
-----
.38
.9mm
.357 Mag
.357 Auto
.40
10mm
.45 ACP
.45 GAP
.45 Colt
-----
.44 Special
.44 Mag
.454 Cassual
.50 AE

Now the calibers between the "-----" markers are the ones that are suitable for Self defense. THe smaller side of that gives you a bullet that is more likely to anger an opponent in the short term. I remember a story a few years back where a woman shot a man 7 times with a .25 caliber handgun all Center mass. Before he collapsed he managed to beat her so badly that she required 6 months in the hospital and a lot of plastic surgery.

On the higher end of things you have rounds that will stop a man fast but are far to impactical due to recoil, gun size, and other variable. There is a current gun at Kieslers made of scandium. I believe it is chambered it Rugers new .500 pistol round. A full load of 5 rounds actually weigh 50% more than the gun itself. There is no way you could convince me to fire this weapon. I would probably break something. *shivers*

Stick with your common calibers. You are much better off.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 06-04-2005 12:56:09 AM
quote:
We were all impressed when Azizza wrote:
Stick with your common calibers. You are much better off.

Something to add would be to practice with your gun. Make sure you're well familiarized with its capabilities.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-04-2005 01:08:09 AM
Azziza,

A 9mm using Glazer rounds has stopping power that exceeds the .45 round. High muzzle velocity plus a fragmenting bullet equals lots of kinetic energy. So you get the controllability of the nine, with the stopability of the larger calibers.

Plus, the ammo is a lot cheaper.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-04-2005 01:12:36 AM
I went to that web site to look at the fire arm you mentioned and could not find it. I did find the pro carry II in stainless it looks nice. Is it essentially the same?

Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Azizza
VANDERSHANKED
posted 06-04-2005 01:46:20 AM
quote:
Jackman had this to say about pies:
I went to that web site to look at the fire arm you mentioned and could not find it. I did find the pro carry II in stainless it looks nice. Is it essentially the same?


That is the same gun. They don't call it the Officers model but that is what it is. The Government model is slightly larger, the defender is a bit smaller, etc.

"Pacifism is a privilege of the protected"
Sarudani Miolnir
Old-school poster
posted 06-04-2005 06:01:31 AM
I'd like to go on record stating the opinions of the people in the article are not in line with the majority of Pensacolians. I no longer live there, but I'm from there and still visit friends and family there fairly often.

Sage: How many Glasers have you shot through your HP? Just curious mostly, some pistols don't feed them all that reliably. I'm personally not comfortable with a round I haven't shot a few hundred of through a given firearm, and it'd be prohibitably expensive for me to get to that level with Glasers.

Azziza: I somewhat disagree about the shotgun/pistol point you made. Handguns are fine for those who shoot a lot, but for someone who doesn't I'd suggest they were better off with the shotgun. An 18" barreled shotgun isn't all that unwieldy in close quarters, and with #4 buckshot and a cylinder bore it'll pattern around 12" at 10 feet. Assuming it's pointed at the bad guy when it goes off, even a non gun nut has a pretty fair chance of putting them down with the first shot.

I personally keep both a 12 gauge pump and a .357 at the ready for home defense. I'd go for the revolver were the intruder in the room when I noticed them, but I'd take the shotgun to investigate a suspicious noise elseware in the house.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 06-04-2005 06:58:26 AM
It is my goal to earn my pistol and rifle expert marksmanship. However, I would still not trust myself to be able to handle an intruder with a firearm. I've noticed that having a gun often gives people false confidence and a sense of invulnerability. I would probably be injured/killed with my own weapon.

I want a mace. A REAL, forged mace. But light enough for me to handle without too much strain and small enough to use in close quarters. Its scarier than a baseball bat and I wouldnt have to worry about hitting anyone but who I intended,

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-04-2005 12:23:49 PM
quote:
Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Sarudani Miolnir gently hums:
I'd like to go on record stating the opinions of the people in the article are not in line with the majority of Pensacolians. I no longer live there, but I'm from there and still visit friends and family there fairly often.

Sage: How many Glasers have you shot through your HP? Just curious mostly, some pistols don't feed them all that reliably. I'm personally not comfortable with a round I haven't shot a few hundred of through a given firearm, and it'd be prohibitably expensive for me to get to that level with Glasers.

Azziza: I somewhat disagree about the shotgun/pistol point you made. Handguns are fine for those who shoot a lot, but for someone who doesn't I'd suggest they were better off with the shotgun. An 18" barreled shotgun isn't all that unwieldy in close quarters, and with #4 buckshot and a cylinder bore it'll pattern around 12" at 10 feet. Assuming it's pointed at the bad guy when it goes off, even a non gun nut has a pretty fair chance of putting them down with the first shot.

I personally keep both a 12 gauge pump and a .357 at the ready for home defense. I'd go for the revolver were the intruder in the room when I noticed them, but I'd take the shotgun to investigate a suspicious noise elseware in the house.


Unfortunately, not that many. You're right about the cost. First I've heard of any feeding problems, though.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 06-04-2005 09:23:22 PM
quote:
Azakias obviously shouldn't have said:
It is my goal to earn my pistol and rifle expert marksmanship. However, I would still not trust myself to be able to handle an intruder with a firearm. I've noticed that having a gun often gives people false confidence and a sense of invulnerability. I would probably be injured/killed with my own weapon.

I want a mace. A REAL, forged mace. But light enough for me to handle without too much strain and small enough to use in close quarters. Its scarier than a baseball bat and I wouldnt have to worry about hitting anyone but who I intended,


Yeah, because a gun is definitely a much more difficult weapon to use, and far more likely to be taken away from you than a mace, which requires by nature direct proximity.

Oh...

Wait...

Arttemis fucked around with this message on 06-04-2005 at 09:24 PM.

Sean
posted 06-04-2005 09:32:16 PM
quote:
Ahh man, I shot Arttemis in the face.
Oh...

Wait...


Hey, remember that time you shot me in the leg?

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 06-05-2005 04:17:37 PM
This law would have been useful if it had been around when my teacher's friend had her house broken into, a decade ago. The thief broke through the skylight and, when he landed, injured himself on the broken class. Consequently, he sued her. And won.

Then again, maybe this law wouldn't apply to that at all, since she didn't willingly arrange the glass so that he would fall on it. Cray-zee.

quote:
Azakias was naked while typing this:
I want a mace. A REAL, forged mace. But light enough for me to handle without too much strain and small enough to use in close quarters. Its scarier than a baseball bat and I wouldnt have to worry about hitting anyone but who I intended,

Black Shafted Mace

"Full Contact Use - Stage steel quality! This is completely functional in every way shape and form. The item is able to withstand blows from another sword & is able to be used for combat purposes."

Kait fucked around with this message on 06-05-2005 at 04:23 PM.

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 06-06-2005 01:40:59 AM
quote:
Kait probably says this to all the girls:
This law would have been useful if it had been around when my teacher's friend had her house broken into, a decade ago. The thief broke through the skylight and, when he landed, injured himself on the broken class. Consequently, he sued her. And won.

That was from that movie Liar Liar with Jim Carry.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-06-2005 01:42:59 AM
Wait. . .

A thief breaks into a teacher's home, and injures himself. . .on the broken class?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 06-06-2005 02:17:56 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Bloodsage wrote:
Wait. . .

A thief breaks into a teacher's home, and injures himself. . .on the broken class?


It's BS anyway, and I don't mean Bloodsage.


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Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-06-2005 07:19:38 AM
quote:
Bloodsage impressed everyone with:
Wait. . .

A thief breaks into a teacher's home, and injures himself. . .on the broken class?



Of course silly she said he was a teacher.

Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 06-06-2005 05:51:58 PM
quote:
DrPaintThinner wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
That was from that movie Liar Liar with Jim Carry.

No...this supposedly happened before that movie even came out.

quote:
Jackman had this to say about Tron:
Of course silly she said he was a teacher.

Actually the teacher is female, but who cares? Yes, a typo, let's pounce on it! Because I am a fallible newbie, not one with senority to protect my blunders (which you also lack).

Anyway, you're so silly, jackman Flaming someone in one thread, only to immediately turn around and suck up to them in the next What aaaare you aiming for? Acceptance, power, or power of confusion?

Kait fucked around with this message on 06-06-2005 at 05:54 PM.

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Mr. Crabs
Pancake
posted 06-06-2005 06:00:36 PM
quote:
Kait thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Anyway, you're so silly, jackman Flaming someone in one thread, only to immediately turn around and suck up to them in the next What aaaare you aiming for? Acceptance, power, or power of confusion?

Get a room you two.

There's a King on a throne with his eyes torn out.
There's a Blind Man looking for a shadow of doubt.
There's a Rich Man sleeping on a golden bed.
There's a Skeleton choking on a crust of bread.
Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 06-06-2005 06:13:09 PM
quote:
Mr. Crabs had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Get a room you two.

*shudder*
I only fall for assholes who can spell

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 06-06-2005 06:24:22 PM
So you like assholes? Well damn that leaves me out because I am not an asshole. But hey it's typical that someone like your low self esteem would be into abusive relationships. If you ever reach the age of majority without slitting your wrists over something trivial, give me a jingle.

Jackman fucked around with this message on 06-06-2005 at 06:25 PM.

Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 06-06-2005 06:25:20 PM
quote:
Jackman wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
So you like assholes? Well damn that leaves me out because I am not an asshole. But hey it's typical that someoe like your low self esteem would be into abusive relationships. If you ever reach the age of majority without sliting your wrists over somthing trivial, give me a jingle.

Majority?

I forget, was it jackman or DPT who promulgated his expert diagnosis of my apparent bipolar disorder?

Kait fucked around with this message on 06-06-2005 at 06:30 PM.

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Derek
Pancake
posted 06-06-2005 10:42:32 PM
quote:
Kait had this to say about Tron:
Majority?

Yes. That word fits perfectly.

quote:
I forget, was it jackman or DPT who promulgated his expert diagnosis of my apparent bipolar disorder?

However, promulgate barely fits in this context. Did you get that from a thesaurus?

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 06-06-2005 11:04:14 PM
She often channels Yogi Berra, but without the deeper meaning.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 06-06-2005 11:38:25 PM
quote:
From the book of Bloodsage, chapter 3, verse 16:
She often channels Yogi Berra, but without the deeper meaning.

Wait.. There's a deeper meaning?... No wonder I'm always confused, subtleties are beyond me!


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