helpful?
In closing all I know is that I could not put up with the frustrations these poor drivers endure on a daily basis.
Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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jackman had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
This video clearly shows that bus drivers need to be trained in how to deal with students who have behavioral issues. If Mr. Taylor has been properly trained, he may have reacted differently to the students. He did the right thing by calling for the deputy, but should have stopped right there and waited until the officer arrived. Those who are in education in Florida cannot physically move or restrain a student unless they have had what is called CPI (a talk down method to calm down students) and TEAM training (proper methods to restrain students who are in danger of hurting themselves or others). Once trained and if the methods are used correctly, there are no grounds for legal action against the school employee. As a result of this incident, the students should be expelled from the bus (which means the parents will be required to find other transportation to get their child to school) for the next school year. Mr. Taylor should receive the proper training before resuming his duties. Once trained, and this incident happens again, then there are grounds for suspension or dismissal from his duties.In closing all I know is that I could not put up with the frustrations these poor drivers endure on a daily basis.
Let's throw jackman in a writhing den of juvenile delinquents and see how he handles it 
In other news, a local gang has begun driving up to people's cars and heaving a large rock through the front windows. 12 accidents so far, 1 death. WTF, mate?
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'baeling:
The logic is that you can raise your voice or move to removing a benefit (TV, grounding them to the house, their room, etc) for quite a while. Once you resort to hitting a child, however, you're left with no room to go farther, save to hit the child harder.So that's problem one: It limits your options.
How so?
Once you remove a privilge, you're left with no room to go farther, save to remove more priviliges.
Once you raise you're voice, you're left with no room to go farther, save to raise your voice more.
You "Go farther" by using a combination, and the order in which punishments are combined is irrelevant.
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Maradon! Model 2000 was programmed to say:
How so?Once you remove a privilge, you're left with no room to go farther, save to remove more priviliges.
Once you raise you're voice, you're left with no room to go farther, save to raise your voice more.
You "Go farther" by using a combination, and the order in which punishments are combined is irrelevant.
If you raise your voice, you can move to privleges. If you move to removing priveleges, you can move to spanking if absolutely necessary. If you go to spanking immediately, you've bypassed all the alternatives. Furthermore how far are you willing to go as far as smacking is concerned?
Plus you didn't address the other issues.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
The problem with time outs and privelege-revoking is that they transform the child's decision-making process into a purely economic calculation. There's no fear. Nor does one need to abuse a kid to inspire fear, or the inspiration of fear automatically abuse, as some would have us believe.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
He couldn't yell at us without us breaking into a fit of giggles after that.
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A sleep deprived Bloodsage stammered:
But that begs the question of whether having alternatives is always good. Spanking can be unpleasant enough all by itself to be an effective deterrent without becoming abusive. And you can always add reduction of priveleges or increase of chores (or a combination) on top of the spanking, rather than the other way around.The problem with time outs and privelege-revoking is that they transform the child's decision-making process into a purely economic calculation. There's no fear. Nor does one need to abuse a kid to inspire fear, or the inspiration of fear automatically abuse, as some would have us believe.
How is fear of pain different than fear of any other form of loss of comfort? It remains an economic calculation with the kid weighing chance of getting caught, expected discomfort if they get caught and whatever increase in comfort their transgression may bring them.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Mod gently hums:
How is fear of pain different than fear of any other form of loss of comfort? It remains an economic calculation with the kid weighing chance of getting caught, expected discomfort if they get caught and whatever increase in comfort their transgression may bring them.
I've never met anyone afraid of chores or of losing priveleges. The phrase, "I was afraid that would happen," is idiomatic and doesn't have anything to do with fear.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I've never met anyone afraid of chores or of losing priveleges. The phrase, "I was afraid that would happen," is idiomatic and doesn't have anything to do with fear.
When talking about things like being slapped in the face or having to mow the lawn for a few hours you can't really talk about fear either way and when you get up to levels of pain that induce true fear for their physical integrity in people we're waaay inside the realm of abuse by even the most conservative definition of it. Quite honestly my parents weren't big on frequent corporal punishment, but I remember it being one of the things that I was least worried about happening when I was a kid and planned some stupid undertaking.
Goddamn liberals.
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Quoth Mod:
When talking about things like being slapped in the face or having to mow the lawn for a few hours you can't really talk about fear either way and when you get up to levels of pain that induce true fear for their physical integrity in people we're waaay inside the realm of abuse by even the most conservative definition of it. Quite honestly my parents weren't big on frequent corporal punishment, but I remember it being one of the things that I was least worried about happening when I was a kid and planned some stupid undertaking.
Of course you were least worried about it; they didn't use it often. You said it yourself.
And, no, one needn't progress into the realm of true abuse or bodily harm to induce fear, especially in kids. A chore is simply an unpleasant task; a spanking hurts.
There's a difference.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
