I also appreciate the fact that everyone is keeping it simple enough for me to wrap my head around, I've been eyeing some WoW threads in the past so I kinda understand a little.
Chances are that I'll most likely be human for Alliance and undead for Horde.
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Kaeling:
Are you saying that an excellent former Samurai and one of the best Rangers on Fennin Ro cpuld not excel as a Warrior/Hunter?
WoW's Warrior is absolutely nothing even remotely similar to any of FFXI or EQ's melee classes.
In fact, none of WoW's melee classes are.
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Maradon! had this to say about Pirotess:
WoW's Warrior is absolutely nothing even remotely similar to any of FFXI or EQ's melee classes.In fact, none of WoW's melee classes are.
I understand that, but those two classes required quite a bit of skill to truly master 
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A sleep deprived Rodent King stammered:
You could try being a holy priest pre-60. You'd be the second one after me.
False!
All three of my Priests are Holy. 
As for your Horde race -- please don't be Undead -- there are too damn many of them. They're like the Night Elves of the Horde. Be something like an Orc or Troll. Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 11:19 AM.
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Falaanla Marr's account was hax0red to write:
As for your Horde race -- please don't be Undead -- there are too damn many of them. They're like the Night Elves of the Horde. Be something like an Orc or Troll.
Hear hear!
It is like Undead is the only horde option for priests and warlocks sometimes, heh
I think Orcs are cool. They just look mean and beat the shit out of stuff.
I think Tauren are cool. Their background story and quest stories are just awesome.
Undead suck. Their genitals are going to fall off.
edit: Me talk pretty one day. Lechium fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 12:08 PM.
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Falaanla Marring:
Black was right on Warlocks. While we're a fun class and pretty good PvE soloers, we get chewed up and spit out in PVP (Unless you spec heavy into demonology)
Oh man you are so wrong.
Ultimate warlock spec: 25 affliction, 13 demonology, 13 destruction.
This gets you a positively beastly VW, instant corruption, nightfall, improved lifetap and drain tanking for solo power.
You also get CoE, suppression, fast bolts and imms and an EXTREMELY damaging succubus for PVP.
In group PVP, slap corruption on every target you see, and before you know it you'll be belching out shadowbolts like nobody's business while your succubus is doing a deceptive amount of damage with the improved lash of pain/improved succubus combo
Or just suck down a fire protection potion and let the hellfire fly Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 03:26 PM.
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Maradon! thought about the meaning of life:
In group PVP, slap corruption on every target you see, and before you know it you'll be belching out shadowbolts like nobody's business while your succubus is doing a deceptive amount of damage with the improved lash of pain/improved succubus combo
Until you get owned by, well, anyone. Then people may take a bit of damage from corruption, but that's it. Now...if you have soul link from demonology...you can rock.
quote:Ahahahaeheheaheaehaeha.
Nobody really understood why Maradon! wrote:
In group PVP, slap corruption on every target you see
A warlock's role in group PvP is to maybe cause some disruption with fears. You can count on most of your DoTs being stripped within seconds of them landing. Perhaps when battlegrounds come, their lv 60 pets will be really useful... But until then, pretty much any other class is a better choice than a warlock.
Not to mention a rogue can drop you probably the easiest of any cloth class there is.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Blackened was all like:
Not to mention a rogue can drop you probably the easiest of any cloth class there is.
Rogues smoke um'. But rogues usually aren't going to target only warlocks (if say in a counter raid or something). This same thing was said in my guild not to long ago here's the gist of the conversation (I'll be substituting their names):
warlock: Hey Rogue how come you dont go after only warlocks? Its so easy to kill us
Rogue: I don't enjoy that, its not fun.
warlock: Oh... well you should. ITS REALLY EASY!
I think this what I find most disturbing about WoW recently. People have lost the focus that its just a game, ment for enjoyment. To many times I see people who are upset over the outcome of a roll, or a raid.
Its a game, nothing more than that. You pay to play the game, but that doesn't mean you should flip out about everything. Its ok to analyze and try to be the best, but I think only do that if the analyzation is the fun part.
I guess this message is more directed at myself if anything. Im to serious when playing WoW. And I play way to much. I play more WoW than I sleep for God sakes. So yah, don't take everything as such a travesty. Maybe if something got ninja looted. But then again, so what.
I plan to go Human Warrior as a first character, to learn the ropes a bit. Now, as a Human, should I stick to swords? Axes? 1-hand? 2-hand? I'm going to assume that, like EverQuest, if a mob has a high rate of countering, I should used a 2h to tank it right?
What should I look at when it comes to talents? Fury/Arms, correct? Only picking up defensive stances and shield bash from Protection?
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Kael stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Ok, I'm gonna call around my local EBGames stores tomorrow and try to pawn off a few games to help soften the blow a little. EB still buys PC games right?I plan to go Human Warrior as a first character, to learn the ropes a bit. Now, as a Human, should I stick to swords? Axes? 1-hand? 2-hand? I'm going to assume that, like EverQuest, if a mob has a high rate of countering, I should used a 2h to tank it right?
What should I look at when it comes to talents? Fury/Arms, correct? Only picking up defensive stances and shield bash from Protection?
You'll use weapons as they come, so no big deal between axes, swords, whuteva. The general rule of thumb is 1h and Shield for when you're the main tank, 2h for soloing or off-tank, dual wield for when you want to suck.
Arms/Fury is the standard. Fury/Arms works okay.
The only reason to take Protection is if you're doing nothing but tanking raids.
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Check out the big brain on Kait!
The people I know who have Paladins seem to like them well enough. I just can't stand their lack of ranged attacks.No, I really like rogues...they don't have that pesky mana thing to worry about, and they're nice for dealing damage, while avoiding many blows, and soaking what they can't avoid. But don't listen to me....I'm just an unabashed rogue lover.
Rogues are a good class but we do have some problems, mainly the fact that anything with an AE will turn us into a horrible mana sponge and to a lesser extent the reliance on AE damage in some instances which somewhat devalues us as main damage dealers compared to mages.
quote:Wrong.
This one time, at DrPaintThinner camp:
And as for the arms tree stay away from tactical mastery and anger management.
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Blackened wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Wrong.
Not to mention in every post of his he's called it the furry tree, when fury has a single r. One r. Not two. The fury tree does not make you grow fur.
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Blackened had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Wrong.
Exactly. Any good PvP warrior is going to have that for intercept *alone*.
Also. I play on a PVE server. Intercept is less useful than on a PvP server. So yes take that into consideration should you choose a PvP server. Other wise the best recomendation would be to each his own. DrPaintThinner fucked around with this message on 04-11-2005 at 04:17 AM.
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DrPaintThinner had this to say about Robocop:
Yes. Fury tree. My mistake. Score one for you.Also. I play on a PVE server. Intercept is less useful than on a PvP server. So yes take that into consideration should you choose a PvP server. Other wise the best recomendation would be to each his own.
PvE does not nessicarily mean you never ever in a billion years ever PvP in any way, shape or form EVER. Good try, though, bluebie.
Black, before you rip me a new asshole for calling him a bluebie while I play on an RP server, I just wanna say that today my guild downed Azuregos and Kazzak and were the first hordeside to down Luci. Woulda killed Magmadar, too; but our other hunter that had TS didn't log on, and the server f'n reset. 
The other tier1 guilds that went into MC today were wiping on the core hound packs. 
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DrPaintThinner was listening to Cher while typing:
Yes. Fury tree. My mistake. Score one for you.Also. I play on a PVE server. Intercept is less useful than on a PvP server. So yes take that into consideration should you choose a PvP server. Other wise the best recomendation would be to each his own.
Still, that is just retarded advice. Tactical Mastery and Anger Management is essential for at least 2 points in TM (which gives you 10 rage points) and any Warrior that takes full TM and AM is going to be supreme in either PvE or PvP.
Stance-twisting is effective in PvP, for sure. It's damn near essential, in fact. You'll be switching between Battle Stance (for heightened damage, debuffs, etc) and Beserker Stance (for Pummel, Intercept, etc) almost constantly.
In PvE, it's also stupendous, as you can switch between Battle Stance (for building Rage) to Defensive Stance (for holding aggro). You can start out with Charge, then switch and keep all that delicious Rage that can be used for upwards to three Sunder Armors, which is a lot of aggro right there.
If you plan to start a Warrior, Kael, my first bit of advice would be to never listen to DPT.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Tron:
PvE does not nessicarily mean you never ever in a billion years ever PvP in any way, shape or form EVER. Good try, though, bluebie.Black, before you rip me a new asshole for calling him a bluebie while I play on an RP server, I just wanna say that today my guild downed Azuregos and Kazzak and were the first hordeside to down Luci. Woulda killed Magmadar, too; but our other hunter that had TS didn't log on, and the server f'n reset.
The other tier1 guilds that went into MC today were wiping on the core hound packs.
Its ok insult as you will, "While I may not agree with what you say, I'll defend to the death your right to say it."
And I wasn't saying that I never pvp, I am saying that it would be rediculous to base my whole character on something I occasionally do.
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Delphi Aegis was listening to Cher while typing:
PvE does not nessicarily mean you never ever in a billion years ever PvP in any way, shape or form EVER. Good try, though, bluebie.Black, before you rip me a new asshole for calling him a bluebie while I play on an RP server, I just wanna say that today my guild downed Azuregos and Kazzak and were the first hordeside to down Luci. Woulda killed Magmadar, too; but our other hunter that had TS didn't log on, and the server f'n reset.
Why don't you just not call him a bluebie so the rest of the boards doesn't think you're a condescending asshole?
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So quoth Mr. Parcelan:
Still, that is just retarded advice. Tactical Mastery and Anger Management is essential for at least 2 points in TM (which gives you 10 rage points) and any Warrior that takes full TM and AM is going to be supreme in either PvE or PvP.Stance-twisting is effective in PvP, for sure. It's damn near essential, in fact. You'll be switching between Battle Stance (for heightened damage, debuffs, etc) and Beserker Stance (for Pummel, Intercept, etc) almost constantly.
In PvE, it's also stupendous, as you can switch between Battle Stance (for building Rage) to Defensive Stance (for holding aggro). You can start out with Charge, then switch and keep all that delicious Rage that can be used for upwards to three Sunder Armors, which is a lot of aggro right there.
If you plan to start a Warrior, Kael, my first bit of advice would be to never listen to DPT.
Good god yes. I LOVE warriors. I could never play one. We have three, and anyone else who tanks just lets me down.. "Anno, go tank that molten giant" "YESSIR!" *three shadowbolt crits in a row for over 1k* *warlock is still alive* "Omg I love you anno! "
Helps that our raid groups don't push his sunders/deep wounds/etc. off.
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Mr. Parcelan stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Why don't you just not call him a bluebie so the rest of the boards doesn't think you're a condescending asshole?
I'm uber, damnit!
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How.... Delphi Aegis.... uughhhhhh:
I'm uber, damnit!
Being an uber warlock is like being the guy with one leg instead of having no legs.
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Mr. Parcelan stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Being an uber warlock is like being the guy with one leg instead of having no legs.
I'll bite yo' kneecaps off! *flails against Parcelan*
quote:It's 6 talents points. And you should have them for PvE as well.
DrPaintThinner's fortune cookie read:
I am saying that it would be ridiculous to base my whole character on something I occasionally do.
Keeping yourself contained to one stance at a time is nearly equivilant to containing your Warrior to 1/3rd of it's total potential. You're being stubborn and unwilling to learn how to use all stances effectively mid-battle.
Also, don't you know that Anger Management gives you a free rage point every three seconds? That's huge. Blackened fucked around with this message on 04-11-2005 at 04:53 AM.
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Blackened had this to say about Cuba:
It's 6 talents points. And you should have them for PvP as well.Keeping yourself contained to one stance at a time is nearly equivilant to containing your Warrior to 1/3rd of it's total potential. You're being stubborn and unwilling to learn how to use all stances effectively mid-battle.
Also, don't you know that Anger Management gives you a free rage point every three seconds? That's huge.
If I could get 1/100th of my mana bar filled every three seconds (roughly 54 mana or so), I'd be extatic.
DM dagger + DM book + Shard of Afrasa = halfway decent manaregen. Maybe.
quote:Heh. It's funny you say that because there's this thing called spirit which can do exactly that.
Delphi Aegis had this to say about Tron:
If I could get 1/100th of my mana bar filled every three seconds (roughly 54 mana or so), I'd be extatic.
Granted, not 5 seconds during/after you cast a spell. But still, if you take what you said out of context, it's amusing,
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Verily, Blackened doth proclaim:
It's 6 talents points. And you should have them for PvP as well.Keeping yourself contained to one stance at a time is nearly equivilant to containing your Warrior to 1/3rd of it's total potential. You're being stubborn and unwilling to learn how to use all stances effectively mid-battle.
Also, don't you know that Anger Management gives you a free rage point every three seconds? That's huge.
While it does seem tempting, the honest truth is that I see no reason to use it (on my character) I never particularly cared for the other stances. And six points is a lot considering I dont have an aditional six just to throw around. That would mean less of something else. wether it be less defense, crits, or damage. I find my self using thunder clap more often than I do anything reserved to the berserker stance. This maybe Why I suck against casters in pvp. But then again I don't pvp that much. Yes I am stubborn, but I make it work and its what makes me happy.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Robocop:DM dagger + DM book + Shard of Afrasa = halfway decent manaregen. Maybe.
Get the DM trinket that drops off the named ghost in the west wing instead of (or maybe in addition to) the shard. It regains 11 mana every 5 seconds, and its better than the shard, since the shard only boosts mana/hp regeneration.
edit: I am correct in the assumtion that the new items such as the DM book are not limited in the same way spirit is? Zair fucked around with this message on 04-11-2005 at 05:02 AM.
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Blackened got bored and wrote this:
Heh. It's funny you say that because there's this thing called spirit which can do exactly that.Granted, not 5 seconds during/after you cast a spell. But still, if you take what you said out of context, it's amusing,
I realized the irony of the statement after I posted it. Funnily enough, even as shittily geared as I am (I'm wearing the necropile set for fuck's sake), my spirit returns about 50 mana/tick with 2/3/6 coming from dagger/shard/book constantly.
Handy (along with dark pact!) for Kazzak's final moments on Azeroth, when having >300 mana is paramount.
quote:That's fine. Just don't bother opening your mouth to contribute any information regarding Warrior choices, as your opinion will only be 1/3rd as valid as a Warrior who actually knows how to use his class.
DrPaintThinner had this to say about Duck Tales:
Yes I am stubborn, but I make it work and its what makes me happy.
quote:Ironically enough, switching to another stance could yield things such as more crits, damage, or something even better than defense.
That would mean less of something else. wether it be less defense, crits, or damage.
Regardless, post your current spec. I want to see where you're putting all of those too-valueable points. Blackened fucked around with this message on 04-11-2005 at 05:25 AM.
quote:http://www.thottbot.com/?ti=Warrior Or use WoW Vault's talent calc.
So quoth Kael:
Can someone point me to an Idiot's Guide to Talents and the Workings Of? I was looking at the master list of Warrior skills/spells on Alla's thinking those were Talents.
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Kael attempted to be funny by writing:
Can someone point me to an Idiot's Guide to Talents and the Workings Of? I was looking at the master list of Warrior skills/spells on Alla's thinking those were Talents.
www.worldofwar.com and it's class specific subsites are really good, IMHO.
