It's a disease on the brain.
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Tegadil impressed everyone with:
The number 1 con in WoW: Barrens General ChatIt's a disease on the brain.
I agree, it can be bad even on Roleplay servers. Same in Elwynn forest for Alliance.
And god help you if the PvP servers go down. For some reason, a large number of the PvP server players love to go to Earthen Ring any time their servers are down, and do nothing but make fun of Roleplaying.
(No offensce meant to polite PvP server players 
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Also, in Graphics, I'm including weapon/armor graphics. WoW simply has far, far, far more variety. Even early on. Two warriors of the same race at equivalent levels may look completely different, depending on whether or not they tradeskill, what quests they do in which areas, etc. Very very few people look alike. From everything I hear about EQ2, it's the opposite : There are specific suits of armor that you will see everywhere. When upgrading armor pieces you may go through 3 or 4 pieces that all look identical. The yellow 'banana suit' that was so infamous, is one good example of this.
Point #5 - stability. EQ2 is more stable. There's no way that anyone here can deny that. This is blizzard's first game, and they're working through some problems. I honestly beleive that Blizz will turn things around and make it smooth and stable, but I know others beleive that they're just going to make things worse. The only thing we can do now, is wait and see. Until the stability issues are addressed, however, Blizz won't be selling any more copies of the game, so if you're looking to start playing EQ2 or WoW right away, you may have serious difficulty trying to find a copy of the latter.
If anyone has any comments or wants to clear up anything I was unclear about in EQ2 or WoW, please tell me where I messed up, and be civil about it. I have only had a tiny bit of firsthand experience playing EQ2 at a friend's house.
There's tons of end-game stuff in WoW: Battlegrounds, Raid instances and new zones being added all the time.
I can't speak of EQ2, but I doubt they can compare.
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Mr. Parcelan thought about the meaning of life:
I can't speak of EQ2, but I doubt they can compare.
Sure they can.
For a price.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Knight Rider:
Sure they can.For a price.
*rimshot*
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Caid '5 Fists' Berrit was all like:
Just curious, have either of you three tried WoW?
I know at least one of us has. I won't say which.
I personally try not to say one is better than the other. I leave it simply as I enjoy EQII. But what pisses me off is people who know nothing about the game coming in and leaking verbal shit from their mouths, and basically making the assumption that EQII is worthless and you're a loser if you play it.
What I find very ironic about the whole situation is that many of the things people mention they like in WoW...are things people like about EQII, as well. The games are very similar, from what I can tell, so the whole concept of one being better becomes a bit hazy.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
But I have not done something that a large number of the WoW players on this board have done. I have never compared EQII and WoW. I have never said which one I think is better. All that I have done, is defended EQII from the WoW players that feel the need to constantly attack it.
Vorago, the rabidness is definately not equal on these boards. EQII threads have WoW players come in and make comments. Some are polite and on-topic, others are snide remarks, still others attempt to derail the thread to something about WoW.
On the flip-side of the coin, WoW threads are largely undisturbed by EQII players. In fact, I think that I am really the only person who posts in WoW threads that is an EQII player, and I never try to derail the thread towards EQII, never make comparisons, and have, in fact, even defended parts of WoW against its own players complaining about it. Yet I am seen as the most rabid EQII fanboi.
There's something to wrap your brain around.
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Caid '5 Fists' Berrit said this about your mom:
Just curious, have either of you three tried WoW?
I poked around with it for a few hours, but nothing to grant me the ability to say whether or not it is a crappy game. I'm just here to point out that EQII doesn't suck like some people seem to think it does. Pesco fucked around with this message on 01-21-2005 at 05:00 PM.
Raid Instances, Guild Instances, Raid mobs just walking around, new zones being added. There is 2 low level islands, 2 mid-level islands and 3 end game islands. You tell me what they favor.
There is no PVP in EQII.
Also, I want yall to really think about this "For a price" thing with SoE. Look at the benefits of a Station Pass and tell me with a straight face that isn't some serious bang for your buck.
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Also, I want yall to really think about this "For a price" thing with SoE. Look at the benefits of a Station Pass and tell me with a straight face that isn't some serious bang for your buck.
Not really, EQ1 has been replaced with EQ2, last I played Planetside was mangled beyond a shred of fun and losing players with the BFR patch, SW:G is SW:G, EQ 
A I haven't played but I've been told it didn't even manage to compare with the original EQ in terms of content and gameplay, let alone EQ2 (besides playing an MMOG on a Playstation sounds like playing Command and Conquer on a gameboy). I'd rather pay 15$ for a game I'll play than 21$ for a game I'll play + a bunch of random games SoE is trying to save from the verge of death.
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A sleep deprived Mod stammered:
I'd rather pay 15$ for a game I'll play than 21$ for a game I'll play + a bunch of random games SoE is trying to save from the verge of death.
Noone every said you couldn't. I'm just pointing out that SoE is offering more for less. You get a suite of games for the price of 1 and 1/2 plus a free Random_Mini_Expansion01 every now and then. Then again, I play more then 1 of the games.
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Mod had this to say about Knight Rider:
(besides playing an MMOG on a Playstation sounds like playing Command and Conquer on a gameboy)
That's probably the farthest from the truth. EQOA played extremely well on the PS2, and the controls were very tight and non-intrusive. The only problem you might have is if you don't have a keyboard. But any USB keyboard is compatible with the PS2, so it's not that big of a deal.
LOLS I'M WITTIE.
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How.... Vorago.... uughhhhhh:
Gee, funny how that works.
I have yet to see an EQ2er display even remotely the same "All other games suck so horrible lol EQ2 has 0.2 players" but that's just me.
quote:If you haven't been paying attention, they've been thoroughly reaming BFR's with the nerf stick ever since. Populations are way up with the BR23 extension, and next week sometime we're gonna see a patch that changes a Flight Variant's shield regen from 1min (for empty->full) to 2 and a half minutes. Yea, ding-dong, the biffer's dead. Gunner Variants are nothing more than tasty EXP farms for a decent pair of tanks.
Mod said this about your mom:
last I played Planetside was mangled beyond a shred of fun and losing players with the BFR patch.
Sorry for the derail.
As someone who's played and enjoyed both games, I just thought I should throw in one additional comparason based on the topic of being immersive.
- EQ2, with its large cities, housing, voiceovers et all feels like you're living in a world. Especially if you are on a roleplay server like I was. Everything is very in-character and taken from the perspective that this is a serious world and look what's happened to it. It can get a bit dry after a while perhaps, when you realize that so far most every bit of plot is okay what happened to this race now?
My personal take on all this is somewhat why I was led astray from EQ2. I absolutely loved the game, its races and combat. There was a very big run of mood going on. Since I played in Freeport, things weren't too happy. Because the immersion was handled so well, it really was affecting me in person a bit too much. I didn't feel happy, wandering dark streets or being slaughtered in bad groups in quite possibly the creepiest forest ever. In fact, the pinnacle of me enjoying the game as much as I did was in the lower levels of exploration and discovery. But then you look at the world and boggle at how much it's been screwed up by circumstance. (The concepts of islands as zones does also bug me a bit, but that strays away from the topic I'm addressing.)
- WoW, on the other end of the spectrum, feels very much like you are playing a game. Take it for what it is. The cities are conventional and functional, but you obviously don't feel like you belong to any one city, even the one you visit occasionally that happens to be your race's home. However in terms of your characters being alive and responsive to your text, it is almost more immersive that way from a character-development perspective, if you wish to go that route. Say things out-loud and your character looks like it's speaking. Say something like "haha" and your character will laugh. Punctuation like ! or ? will also change your character's emoting. However, the game world itself is much more light-hearted but in that way a lot more fun to be involved with. There is still a very very serious plot going on, but you're not constantly bogged down in the stench of decay and corruption unless you choose to venture there.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
We're all now high(er) end of WoW and loving it.
I just really didn't like the way EQ2 played. It wasn't so much one glaring problem here, or one glaring problem there. It just didn't suit me at all, and it felt like pulling nails out of my hands when I reached for the icon. Maybe not quite.
I really didn't like the way the class system played out, with the four basic classes, that you have to make level 20 with to fork out into more classes, and then level 30 some such to fork out into more classes.
Level 1-20 as a mage gets sort of boring after a bit. Killing still feels like grinding. Quests are useful, yes, but I found far greater success in using quests to level/acquire new equipment in WoW. EQ2's quests still felt like EQ's quests kicked up a notch.
Also, while the player models look really good, the environments looked really uh... fake. I mean, it looked nicely shaped from a CGI standpoint, but they don't feel alive at all. It could just be Freeport, as I never played Qeynos.
The whole Freeport/Qeynos thing is kind of unappealing as well.
Unappealing. That's the word for my EQ2 experience. It's not a bad game, but far too many factors were mediocre or unpleasant, or unappealing.
Really though, if you can, give both games a shot, some people really love EQ2. The only person though I think we have that was both EQ2er and WoWer and is still EQ2er is Kegwen, though. Not sure about the others. I just happen to really like WoW.
And for future reference, "Do you like PvP? No?" should never be an arguement against WoW. PvP is wholely avoidable, and never necessary on the servers that are PvE. You can go your entire career without striking the opposing faction. WoW's PvE certainly doesn't suffer at the cost of PvP. Lashanna fucked around with this message on 01-22-2005 at 03:27 PM.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
You look like you're speaking in EQII as well, and there are emoticons to laugh, so I disagree with your comparison there.
Yeah, but if you say "lol" "rofl" or like "haha" it does the laugh automatically for you, which is kind of fun. Same with a few other emotes.
The punctuation changing the way your character acts as they speak is really neat too.
And, Cobbi, I have to disagree with you. Maybe it's becuase you're Night Elf, and Darnassus sux ( 
), but Stormwind has always felt like home, and always feels like being home. Which is why I was depressed at the lack of 50+ quests available there.
There's a whole story arc that's progressing there though, with the young king Wrynn, which I can't wait for.
One of the people in the King's Court also might be a dragon, sh. She showed up on Track Dragon for awhile, by accident. She certainly seems scaly and cold-blooded.
edit: Stormwind is like Ironforge's annoying little brother. Kegwen fucked around with this message on 01-22-2005 at 03:39 PM.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Lashanna wrote:
I really didn't like the way the class system played out, with the four basic classes, that you have to make level 20 with to fork out into more classes, and then level 30 some such to fork out into more classes.
Everything else was subjective, but this was incorrect. You branch to class at 10, and sub-class at 20.
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Densetsu had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Everything else was subjective, but this was incorrect. You branch to class at 10, and sub-class at 20.
Err yeah, sorry. I wasn't trying to deceive anyone.
Maybe it just felt like twenty levels 
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Lashanna impressed everyone with:
Maybe it just felt like twenty levels
You can do the first 10 levels of EQ2 in a matter of hours.
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Densetsu had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
You can do the first 10 levels of EQ2 in a matter of hours.
Boring as sin though.
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Lashanna got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Boring as sin though.
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Lashanna painfully thought these words up:
And for future reference, "Do you like PvP? No?" should never be an arguement against WoW.
It never was an argument against WoW. In fact, if you'd go back and actually read the thread, you'd see he said he *does* like PvP and I pointed out that EQII has no PvP in it. Which is why I phrased it like that as well. If you like PvP, then that will be a black point against EQII in favor of WoW.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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There was much rejoicing when Lyinar Ka`Bael said this:
It never was an argument against WoW. In fact, if you'd go back and actually read the thread, you'd see he said he *does* like PvP and I pointed out that EQII has no PvP in it. Which is why I phrased it like that as well. If you like PvP, then that will be a black point against EQII in favor of WoW.
A lot of people, for some time, put forth the, "Do you like PvP? Go WoW. Do you like PvE? Go EQ2." thing for awhile, citing DAoC or some such.
It's really not anything like that.
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Lashanna had this to say about Pirotess:
And for future reference, "Do you like PvP? No?" should never be an arguement against WoW. PvP is wholely avoidable, and never necessary on the servers that are PvE. You can go your entire career without striking the opposing faction. WoW's PvE certainly doesn't suffer at the cost of PvP.
So why even bring up the PvP arguement from either end? I see it brought up as some form of instant bonus for WoW all the time, yet some people just don't like PvP.
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Pesco had this to say about Duck Tales:
So why even bring up the PvP arguement from either end? I see it brought up as some form of instant bonus for WoW all the time, yet some people just don't like PvP.
WoW offers opportunities for PvP which will be greatly expanded in the future but also a fully developed PvE game, EQ2 apparently only has a PvE game and is adding an arena system (which no one ever used in EQ1) in the future, so people who only enjoy PvE can still enjoy WoW but people who prefer heavy PvP or a mix of PvP and PvE will find EQ2 lacking.
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Pesco had this to say about Optimus Prime:
So why even bring up the PvP arguement from either end? I see it brought up as some form of instant bonus for WoW all the time, yet some people just don't like PvP.
But you don't have to participate. Most of the people I play with are non-PvP type people, but even we like to dig in and cut loose now and again.
And we can serve up quite a good bit of whooping when we do...
I don't see why it's not a bonus. It's an option that EQ doesn't really have... Lashanna fucked around with this message on 01-22-2005 at 05:18 PM.
I guess you can add me to the supposedly very small list of people playing this game and liking it. All just a matter of opinion, I suppose.
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Pesco had this to say about Robocop:
So why even bring up the PvP arguement from either end? I see it brought up as some form of instant bonus for WoW all the time, yet some people just don't like PvP.
PvP is a bonus for WoW and allows it to appeal to a wider audience.
The lack of PvP in EQ2 is NOT a negative for the game -- it just means the game is targeting a narrower audience.
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So quoth Lashanna:
But you don't have to participate. Most of the people I play with are non-PvP type people, but even we like to dig in and cut loose now and again.
And we can serve up quite a good bit of whooping when we do...I don't see why it's not a bonus. It's an option that EQ doesn't really have...
You're right, a person doesn't have to participate. But then they are never truly capable of playing the entire game are they? While on the other hand, a game without PvP offers anyone the ability to play the entire game.
But oh well, I probably shouldn't even speak about the games here. I see more double standards then it is worth.
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Check out the big brain on Pesco!
You're right, a person doesn't have to participate. But then they are never truly capable of playing the entire game are they? While on the other hand, a game without PvP offers anyone the ability to play the entire game.
It could be argued that what they get from WoW when they avoid pvp is just as good as what they get from EQ2 all in all, and that it's just an added bonus in case you do like pvp.
The wording in your statement sucks anyway. They're always CAPABLE of playing the entire game, but they choose not to. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything by avoiding pvp, personally. Then again, I'd be slaughtered in pvp anyway at my level..
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Kegwen had this to say about Knight Rider:
It could be argued that what they get from WoW when they avoid pvp is just as good as what they get from EQ2 all in all, and that it's just an added bonus in case you do like pvp.
So looking over both of our comments, would it not make sense that the existance or non-existance of PvP is a valid arguement for or against a game?
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Pesco was naked while typing this:
So looking over both of our comments, would it not make sense that the existance or non-existance of PvP is a valid arguement for or against a game?
Something wholly optional added onto the game isn't a point against it, just another point for it. Hard to argue that something detracts from the game when that thing is optional and up to the player if they are going to participate at all. But the option is still there if they ever get the urge to.
It could be argued in favour of WoW, something that makes it better... more, but it isn't a forced aspect of the game so liking the game less because of an option you don't have to partake in would just be silly. Vorago fucked around with this message on 01-22-2005 at 05:48 PM.
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Check out the big brain on Pesco!
You're right, a person doesn't have to participate. But then they are never truly capable of playing the entire game are they? While on the other hand, a game without PvP offers anyone the ability to play the entire game.
If you don't enjoy PvP, then it isn't even something you look at when considering a game unless said game is PvP centric (a la Shadowbane).
With Shadowbane, you pretty much couldn't play the game if you didn't PvP. It was a central part of the game and what the game was built around. If we were talking about Shadowbane, your argument would be more than correct.
With WoW, however, the game isn't PvP centric. PvP is another form of the high end game, much like EQ1 had many different levels of the high end game. There was the small scale grouping for AA and loot, there was mid scale raiding of lower tier planes and there was high scale plane of Time raiding. WoW has a similar high-end setup with PvP being a 4th option for the gamer.
In EQ1, a player could never be capable of making it to the very high tier end-game but could still enjoy himself and have fun and feel he played the complete game. It's the same way for WoW -- you may not enjoy PvP, but the "whole game" is still there for you. Now, had Blizzard forsaken much of any end-game for PvP (similarly to DAOC), then I'd agree with you. But, they haven't.
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Vorago was naked while typing this:
Something wholly optional added onto the game isn't a point against it, just another point for it. Hard to argue that something detracts from the game when that thing is optional and up to the player if they are going to participate at all. But the option is still there if they ever get the urge to.It could be argued in favour of WoW, something that makes it better... more, but it isn't a forced aspect of the game so liking the game less because of an option you don't have to partake in would just be silly.
As I have stated....
The inability to see 100% of the content because of the design of a game is a minus to me.
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Pesco had this to say about Robocop:
As I have stated....The inability to see 100% of the content because of the design of a game is a minus to me.
And I view it as taking X over X + Y
X for either is the same, you have fun, you finish it, do the big stuff, but somehow the addition of Y creates some impossible void that you could not stand existing
I mean, if I am ordering a sandwich, and they offer me a free drink for the price of the sandwich by itself, I will of course take the drink. Even if I am not thirsty, it is free, and if I do want a sip of something, it is there, but who cares if I don't, it was just a bonus for me.
