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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Awesome, you know, it's cool that we're going to try to quash all disagreements. Progress is made that way.
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Kegwen embraced inferiority and said
It's one thing to go "I don't like EQ2 and I recommend that you play WoW"It's totally different to make sweeping statements about server population in a game you've never played just because there aren't 600,000 subscribers like its struggling rival and then disguise it as legitimate advice.
It is legitimate. You can look a lot into the game by what I said.
Barely anybody plays EQ2. Lots of people play WoW. WoW gets more coverage and more rave reviews. EQ2 strains to mimic WoW and doesn't succeed (gryphon flights, rest system, etc).
That's legit.
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Alidane got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
You've just made the EXACT SAME argument in every single thread like this. It's getting old.
Too bad it's true, huh 
Vorago fucked around with this message on 01-20-2005 at 09:56 PM.
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Mr. Parcelan spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Too bad it's true, huh
Plus, you're being repetitive, banal, and annoying.
They may not have been pristine, but they were good for over 10 percent tradeskill exp from making that ONE item, and they're triple the AC of the boots I did have, with stats, too. 
On the flip side, I don't seem to be finding non-green quests much at 15 (I have the quest to find Stromhold if I ever get around to that), and I keep meaning to go kill stuff for exp, but I find myself doing work orders for 12s so I can do more tradeskilling... I would like to see something besides Qeynos and Antonica, though.
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Alidane had this to say about Pirotess:
Plus, you're being repetitive, banal, and annoying.
It was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect. A literary device.
But if you want to resort to personal attacks in hopes of quashing all conflict, go ahead. Seems legit.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Parce's point is arguable, but this IS an EQ VERSUS WOW thread. He didn't wander into a Sony thread and start ripping on every little thing about SoE's creations. He simply believes WoW is better. Comparing him to what Maradon was doing doesn't balance out.
Your bribe is in the mail.
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There was much rejoicing when Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael said this:
Parce's point is arguable, but this IS an EQ VERSUS WOW thread. He didn't wander into a Sony thread and start ripping on every little thing about SoE's creations. He simply believes WoW is better. Comparing him to what Maradon was doing doesn't balance out.
Oh, he has every right to argue on this front in this thread. According to rules that Drysart put it in place (see: sticky thread that has since been un-stickied), Maradon should've been banned like 8 times.
I just think the hyperbole is unnecessary.
edit: On that note, I still Kegwen fucked around with this message on 01-20-2005 at 10:03 PM.
WoW
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Phantom X stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Well, could you ppl who play EQ2 tell me the highlights of that, and the WoW players do the same for WoW.
Ironically most of the pros are going to be shared between both games...
My thoughts on WoW!
Pros
-Fun
-Stylish
-Ability to accomplish things on any time frame
-Fun, interesting tradeskills
-Shortly there will be awesome large scale objective based PvP warfare with upgradable armies and buildings
-Awesome horde guild on Zul'Jin (Shameless plug!)
-Fast paced combat
-No camping or grinding
-The greatest dance emotes ever conceived
I am sure there are others I can't think of...
Cons
-Being part of the internet, potential for idiots at every turn. Shared problem with every multiplayer game ever made though... so...
-If you blindly pick a server there is about a 5% chance you will get stuck on one so overpopulated that it has server queues.
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It has been ordained by Primus, that there will be a Chosen One who will use the Matrix to "light our darkest hour." That darkest hour may come sooner if Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael keeps posting things like this:
Parce's point is arguable, but this IS an EQ VERSUS WOW thread. He didn't wander into a Sony thread and start ripping on every little thing about SoE's creations. He simply believes WoW is better. Comparing him to what Maradon was doing doesn't balance out.
That's true enough, but the issue is Parce's reply was seemingly worded to inflame. Saying "You'd be far more likely to find other people to play with if you played WoW" would have been far more diplomatic, but would have been equally unlikely to provide him with a sort of entertainment that he craves; the type of such entertainment is not genrally provided in the course of intelligent discussion by both parties of the merits of one game versus another.
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Mightion Defensor had this to say about dark elf butts:
That's true enough, but the issue is Parce's reply was seemingly worded to inflame. Saying "You'd be far more likely to find other people to play with if you played WoW" would have been far more diplomatic, but would have been equally unlikely to provide him with a sort of entertainment that he craves; the type of such entertainment is not genrally provided in the course of intelligent discussion by both parties of the merits of one game versus another.
I'll end your yodeling career for this.
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So quoth Lyinar Ka`Bael:
How about you tell us what you're looking for and we'll tell you which one fits more.
Ok.
I want a completly submersive game. One that has ample amounts of choices, and game play styles. I previously love EQ, but think that with my rocking new comp, that I need a more recent game.
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Phantom X impressed everyone with:
Ok.I want a completly submersive game. One that has ample amounts of choices, and game play styles. I previously love EQ, but think that with my rocking new comp, that I need a more recent game.
Yeah, both EQ2 players and WoW players are going to tell you that is their game to a T
Lord knows I am, right now, telling you that is exactly what WoW is
This thread is not going very far, heh
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Phantom X stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Ok.I want a completly submersive game. One that has ample amounts of choices, and game play styles. I previously love EQ, but think that with my rocking new comp, that I need a more recent game.
What did you love about EQ? What did you hate? Are you a PvP person at all?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Lyinar Ka`Bael said:
What did you love about EQ? What did you hate? Are you a PvP person at all?
I like the HUGE world, and the fun I could have in groups while questing. I hated the mundane graphics and massive ammount of high lvls and lack of newbies at the start, I also hated the fact that later on it was very repetitive, Trade, Raid, repeat... And ya, PVP sounds like fun.
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Phantom X stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Ok.I want a completly submersive game. One that has ample amounts of choices, and game play styles. I previously love EQ, but think that with my rocking new comp, that I need a more recent game.
Does your new computer truely rock, or does it just manage some Dixieland Jazz every now and then?
EQ2 is more demanding of the computer that runs it, but on a really good computer it looks more realistic. Run it on a computer that can't hack it, and the graphics (and immersion) suffer badly. WoW is kinder to computers, but has more stylized art.
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A sleep deprived Phantom X stammered:
I like the HUGE world, and the fun I could have in groups while questing. I hated the mundane graphics and massive ammount of high lvls and lack of newbies at the start, I also hated the fact that later on it was very repetitive, Trade, Raid, repeat... And ya, PVP sounds like fun.
If you absolutely have to have PvP, WoW is your best bet. EQII has no PvP except possibly in the future with the arena setup that EQ had. It's all one big carebear server there.
There are high levels in EQII, but if you rush through to them, you're going to miss so much. There are tons of quests to do in the game. Some have amazing rewards, some give you a little cash, and some can give you status, which can be used later on in helping you to pay for player housing.
There are many newbies in EQII. As I said, if you rush through it, you're going to miss things. Yeah, we have our level 50 people, but you don't *have* to rush through because all the action is there. You can spend time in the low levels, do quests, explore, do some tradeskills (which are drastically changed and actually USEFUL for once), meander your way through the levels doing what you please. There isn't such a rush to get to the high levels, because that's where everything is happening. The game is solid enough at all levels to give you something to do.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Palador ChibiDragon thought about the meaning of life:
Does your new computer truely rock, or does it just manage some Dixieland Jazz every now and then?
Yah... it ROX!
Processor: AMD Athlon 3200 64 bit
RAM: Duel 1G PC 3200 [Total: 2g ]
Hard drive : 200 G of 2mb
GC: Radeon 9800 256 MB 350 MHz
MOBO: ASUS K8N-e
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Phantom X's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Yah... it ROX!Processor: AMD Athlon 3200 64 bit
RAM: Duel 1G PC 3200 [Total: 2g ]
Hard drive : 200 G of 2mb
GC: Radeon 9800 256 MB 350 MHz
MOBO: ASUS K8N-e
I dunno, it looks like it might be a poseur rock, like Nickelback. Waisz fucked around with this message on 01-20-2005 at 10:31 PM.
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Waisz had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I dunno, it looks like it might be a posuer rock, like Nickelback.
Why would you say that?
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Phantom X attempted to be funny by writing:
Why would you say that?
Well, I'm partly joking, but also my system at home is FX-55, nvidia 6800GT, PC4400 RAM 
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A sleep deprived Waisz stammered:
Well, I'm partly joking, but also my system at home is FX-55, nvidia 6800GT, PC4400 RAM
Wow... great comp. Phantom X fucked around with this message on 01-20-2005 at 10:46 PM.
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Phantom X's fortune cookie read:
Daium, that is like... DAIUM! Ha ha... wow.
The future looks bleak for you here.
-Tok
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Phantom X impressed everyone with:
And suggestions as to what EQ2 server I should join?
Mistmoore.
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There was much rejoicing when Kegwen said this:
Are you going for a Maradon title? I mean, I don't like EQ2 either but come on..
This just in: hyperbole has been banned from usage.
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Mr. Parcelan thought about the meaning of life:
It was hyperbole. Exaggeration for effect. A literary device.But if you want to resort to personal attacks in hopes of quashing all conflict, go ahead. Seems legit.
Do you realize that in the last WoW vs EQ2 thread, you got pissed off when someone used hyperbole against WoW and resorted to personal attacks?
Or are you just going to deflect this again and continue with the same old cycle?
Saying that, I think that WoW is the best MMORPG I have ever played. And I have played most of them. Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 01-21-2005 at 02:22 AM.
But I admit that I haven't played EQ2 yet. My PC would die a fiery death, just by looking at the EQ2 box.
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Tarquinn was listening to Cher while typing:
Every single magazine that reviewed both EQ2 and WoW, said that EQ2 is a good game, but WoW is superior in almost every way, except graphics.Saying that, I think that WoW is the best MMORPG I have ever played. And I have played most of them.
But I admit that I haven't played EQ2 yet. My PC would die a fiery death, just by looking at the EQ2 box.
I just don't get why knowing that your game is generally considered better isn't enough.
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We were all impressed when Zaza wrote:
I just don't get why knowing that your game is generally considered better isn't enough.
Because there are obviously some people who think that their game is better than my game. Although it seems that those who are saying that haven't played my game yet. Still I'd like to form my own opinion before going with the majority. Or else I would think that The Sims and Dibalo 2 are among the best games ever.
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Verily, Tarquinn doth proclaim:
Because there are obviously some people who think that their game is better than my game. Although it seems that those who are saying that haven't played my game yet. Still I'd like to form my own opinion before going with the majority. Or else I would think that The Sims and Dibalo 2 are among the best games ever.
I don't think you got me. Pointing out why your game is good is fine by me, I just don't get the point of the rabidness some of the WoWers are displaying.
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Zaza wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I don't think you got me. Pointing out why your game is good is fine by me, I just don't get the point of the rabidness some of the WoWers are displaying.
First of all I have seen that rabidness in EQers too. So it's not a WoW specific problem, but a general one.
Why is the rabidness of the WoWers more noticable? Because there are more of them. (And... if you visit the right (wrong) places, the WoW crowd seems to be a bit younger than the SOE followers.)
But back to the problem of the "rabidness", the appreciation or worshipping of a game. Most people stick to what they know and defend it. Sometimes even to the point of being irrational. Most of the time this comes from a lack of experience with the opposite side or being brought up in an enviroment that heavily favours just one side. Religions for example. This is an old problem. Very old. It's part of the human nature. And obviously not limited to just games. E.g. My country is better than your country. My messiah is better than your messiah. My dad's car is better than your dad's car. My SNES is better than your Sega Genesis(Megadrive).
So, now that we know that people defend what they believe is right, what causes this "rabidness"?
It comes down to human nature again. Some people just are and act more aggressively. Either because they feel themselves threatened by the ideas unknown to them or to prove that their ideas and choices were the correct/superior ones or just 'beacuse'. Those are usually not the majority though. They are just the most noticable. Are they right, just because they are "louder"? No. Can we do something to stop them? No, it's human nature. Just keep in mind that they are usually a minority.
Well, that's my take on it. Not sure if that helps or if there are any fundamental flaws in my theory. After all I'm writing this from work, while looking at excel sheets now and then.
WoW FEELS pretty.
Case in point: Lordaeron, or the ruins thereof. Before the hallway leading to the throneroom is a bell that crashed to the ground some time ago. Listen closely.. You'll hear the echos of said bell. In the hall before the throne room, you can make out the cheers of the crowd as Arthas returned to his homeland, and in the throneroom itself, you can hear the faint whispers of the past.. From Medivh's intrusion to Arthas' "succession" of the throne.
This isn't just a game.
It's a world.
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Zaza was listening to Cher while typing:
I don't think you got me. Pointing out why your game is good is fine by me, I just don't get the point of the rabidness some of the EQ2ers have displayed as well.
Gee, funny how that works.
Uh oh!
There is much more vehemence from the WoW side than from the EQII side, so much so that we're constantly put in the defensive from the WoW fans because we prefer EQII. Densetsu, Pesco and I have probably been the most outspoken about EQII and I know we've all tried to at least give reasons *why* we say EQII is better. Compare those actions to how Maradon, Parcelan or Delphi act, and there is definitely an overbalance in the rabidness department toward the WoW set.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael's fortune cookie read:
I call bullshit, Vorago. There are way more people here who play WoW (and usually have zero experience with EQII) who go spouting off constantly about how much better it is, how no one plays EQII, how it's going to kill all the other games, etc etc etc. Even going into threads which have nothing to do with WoW, in fact that are about EQII, and bring up WoW.There is much more vehemence from the WoW side than from the EQII side, so much so that we're constantly put in the defensive from the WoW fans because we prefer EQII. Densetsu, Pesco and I have probably been the most outspoken about EQII and I know we've all tried to at least give reasons *why* we say EQII is better. Compare those actions to how Maradon, Parcelan or Delphi act, and there is definitely an overbalance in the rabidness department toward the WoW set.
Just curious, have either of you three tried WoW?
Instead, just list what you feel are the stong points on the game you play. Both WoW and EQ2 have their strong points AND their weak points. Thus, some will always be pulled more to EQ2 than WoW and some to WoW over EQ2.
If people try to stick to just saying what your favorite game has going for it, instead of making it a direct, head to head competition, where one HAS to win over the other, then I think there will be a LOT less hostility on these forums.
