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Callalron had this to say about (_|_):
I think what he's getting at is that the First Amendment doesn't apply to your freedom of speech vis a vis another person. If you walk up to another person, flip them off, insult them, say scurrilous about their choice of vehicle and parents, don't go crying that your First Amendment rights are being violated when the other guy hauls off and clocks you one. And don't be surprised if maybe the other guy ends up with only a slap on wrist for his troubles, depending on how much you provoked him.
Once he edited out the stuff about freedom of speech being only about the government, it was closer to that, and that's true enough. Michaelangelo was still a homosexual, though. 
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Once he edited out the stuff about freedom of speech being only about the government, it was closer to that, and that's true enough.Michaelangelo was still a homosexual, though.
so was Leonardo Da Vinci
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1) They get 15 MPG.
2) They endanger every other car on the road because of their enormous ride height and collosal weight.
3) They aren't really that good at off roading. A 23,000 jeep cheroke (Jeeps being the only real SUV) would out mud it any day.
4) they cost 50,000 bucks, and are designed to be luxurious inside- too much money to be a working man's car or to buy for off roading, and too nice inside to be seriously used for the purpose it sacrifices so much efficency for.
I don't hate hummers because they are wastes of resources, I hate them because they represent everything I hate about SUV's, but magnified and multiplied 10 fold into something so incredibly outragous it demands to be hated.
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Blindy obviously shouldn't have said:
I think the logic of the site is not to flip off Hummers for what they are, but what they represent- Hummers are the iconic image for and the culmination of everything that is wrong with the SUV movement.1) They get 15 MPG.
2) They endanger every other car on the road because of their enormous ride height and collosal weight.
3) They aren't really that good at off roading. A 23,000 jeep cheroke (Jeeps being the only real SUV) would out mud it any day.
4) they cost 50,000 bucks, and are designed to be luxurious inside- too much money to be a working man's car or to buy for off roading, and too nice inside to be seriously used for the purpose it sacrifices so much efficency for.I don't hate hummers because they are wastes of resources, I hate them because they represent everything I hate about SUV's, but magnified and multiplied 10 fold into something so incredibly outragous it demands to be hated.
All true if you're speaking about the H2's. Civvie-model H1's are still marginally worth it.
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Blindy's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
...1) They get 15 MPG.
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My F-150 Gets at best 16 mpg, granted it's an '89 model, but i get this feeling the New f-150 don't have that great of an improvement, and Last I Looked, I see more F-250's and f-350's than 150's, and all are gas engine. I doubt they get good MPG. Not to menton most are just as big and heavy has a hummer.
---In My f-150, I worry about hitting anything smaller than a box truck, as my truck as a tendancy to destroy anything smaller than that.
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My F-150 Gets at best 16 mpg, granted it's an '89 model, but i get this feeling the New f-150 don't have that great of an improvement, and Last I Looked, I see more F-250's and f-350's than 150's, and all are gas engine. I doubt they get good MPG. Not to menton most are just as big and heavy has a hummer.
---In My f-150, I worry about hitting anything smaller than a box truck, as my truck as a tendancy to destroy anything smaller than that.
A pickup-truck is not something that a suburban dwelling woman would drive her children to school, soccer, swimming, band, and other activities in.
A pickup truck is designed to haul stuff. That's something the every day man will need to do sooner or later. Pickups can be work vehicles. They are practical. SUV's are not. The only feature that will ever get used by most people who buy them is the all wheel drive on snowy days, and there are plenty of more efficent, less expensive, and less dangerous to every other driver on the road cars available with all wheel drive. Blindy fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 12:48 PM.
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He's partly right and mostly wrong. He's right that there is more or less unlimited energy to go about, (Unless you're worried about stuff on an Issac Asimov-like scale, of course,) it's just that there's a limited amount of petroleum to go about.Current rates look like supply to hit a peak production value sometime either this decade or next, (We've possibly already hit it,) and then supply only decreases, while demand continues to increase. Then things like coal liquefication, and thermal depolymerization and stuff like that get looked at with a lot of hungry gazes.
Actually, people have been saying that since at least the mid-'70s.
Your argument also confuses supply with production, which is another thing altogether.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Blindy had this to say about the Spice Girls:
I think the logic of the site is not to flip off Hummers for what they are, but what they represent- Hummers are the iconic image for and the culmination of everything that is wrong with the SUV movement.1) They get 15 MPG.
So? Why is that so terrible? Why is anyone else's mpg your business?
2) They endanger every other car on the road because of their enormous ride height and collosal weight.
That's not only bullshit, but it's already been addressed in this thread.
3) They aren't really that good at off roading. A 23,000 jeep cheroke (Jeeps being the only real SUV) would out mud it any day.
You don't know what you're talking about. Land Rover and Range Rover will both out outback a Jeep anyday. . .the Cherokee being pretty much a joke offroad if you talk to anyone serious about the sport. The only Jeep worth a damn offroad is the Wrangler.
4) they cost 50,000 bucks, and are designed to be luxurious inside- too much money to be a working man's car or to buy for off roading, and too nice inside to be seriously used for the purpose it sacrifices so much efficency for.
Who are you to tell others what is worth their money? This highlights your real objection: jealousy of those who have more than you.I don't hate hummers because they are wastes of resources, I hate them because they represent everything I hate about SUV's, but magnified and multiplied 10 fold into something so incredibly outragous it demands to be hated. WAAAAAAAAAAAH! Jesus, that's pathetic.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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A pickup-truck is not something that a suburban dwelling woman would drive her children to school, soccer, swimming, band, and other activities in.A pickup truck is designed to haul stuff. That's something the every day man will need to do sooner or later. Pickups can be work vehicles. They are practical. SUV's are not. The only feature that will ever get used by most people who buy them is the all wheel drive on snowy days, and there are plenty of more efficent, less expensive, and less dangerous to every other driver on the road cars available with all wheel drive.
Ha.. Bwhahahahahaha.. hahaha
You're kidding right? You know the number one market for pickup trucks recently? It's a rpretty obvious trend, and you'll see it everywhere. Pickup trucks, especially the larger supposedly more powerful ones, are being purchased by teenage to twentysomething females. And you know most accidents involving trucks are hotrodding teenagers?
You also wont find many trucks at ALL that have more hauling power than a Hummer. The Suburban, The Yukon, hell even the Explorer have just as much hauling power (And some have more) than quite a few of the Trucks on the market.
When you have to haul around 6 kids or so on a daily basis, I'd say that's a pretty practicle useage that only an SUV or Minivan can provide. A truck can't do it, a family car can't do it, and in comparison to an SUV and a Minivan, the SUV actually handles better, has more safety features, better overall coverage, and more room in some cases. 
You'll see more trucks being sold for thier coolness than anything else these days. The "Every Man" usage you are sighting is more uncommon now than anything, especially if you are Urban. Trucks are a hot ticket right now, and they are also more affordable, which means more teenagers and inexperienced drivers can be put behind the wheels of them. And a Hummer/SUV can handle all the practical uses of a Truck as WELL AS the practical usage of hauling a family or a bunch of kids in a family carpool.
Edit: And don't even TRY and say Trucks are less of a hazzard on the roads than a Hummer. They are JUST as dangerous, if not more so since there are more of them, and even more inexperienced drivers behind them.
In otherwords.... BWHAHAHAHAHAH! Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 01:36 PM.
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I think the logic of the site is not to flip off Hummers for what they are, but what they represent- Hummers are the iconic image for and the culmination of everything that is wrong with the SUV movement.1) They get 15 MPG.
2) They endanger every other car on the road because of their enormous ride height and collosal weight.
3) They aren't really that good at off roading. A 23,000 jeep cheroke (Jeeps being the only real SUV) would out mud it any day.
4) they cost 50,000 bucks, and are designed to be luxurious inside- too much money to be a working man's car or to buy for off roading, and too nice inside to be seriously used for the purpose it sacrifices so much efficency for.I don't hate hummers because they are wastes of resources, I hate them because they represent everything I hate about SUV's, but magnified and multiplied 10 fold into something so incredibly outragous it demands to be hated.
Bloodsage already did this, but I wanted to get in my two cents too.
1) If you have the money who gives a shit, I'm not one to go wasting money on gas, but my ideal car is a 78' Stingray which gets only 14 MPG. This is an irrelevant argument. Quite a few trucks can't get over 17, and even more older model cars get even less than that, even those precious muscle cars. Sorry, a lot of us find riced up hondas retarded.
2)Bullshit, for one, because if a Hummer causes an accident it will typically barrel through whatever it hit and cause minimal extra accident collision. Where as a car, especially a small car which is easily overlooked can bring traffic to a standstill and cause conciderably more superficial damage as well as being MORE cars into an accident.
3)BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Jeeps are a Pantywaste as far as offroad, even the Wrangler as Sage pointed out, even though it is the best suited for it. Jeeps have very fragile structure by comparison, hell most regular trucks can handle more than they can, unless they are heavily modified. But then your not really driving a Jeep now are you. Clearance is thier only saving grace. And most of the consumer versions such as the Cherokee don't even have that. Also you are talking about a vehicle company who has THE MOST NOTORIOUS roll over record in automotive history. Jeeps are HORRIBLY unsafe, and in a regular open top Jeep you are pretty much guaranteed death even with your seatbelt and every other saftey feature intact. They have shit for handleing and a narrow wheelbase. This is probably one of the most retarded arguments to come up in this thread.
4)This comment is so pointless it doesn't even warrant a responce, cept for maybe the one Sage already provided, which I agree with. After the 3 point you made, I don't even know what the hell your argument is anymore...
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Bloodsage already did this, but I wanted to get in my two cents too.1) If you have the money who gives a shit, I'm not one to go wasting money on gas, but my ideal car is a 78' Stingray which gets only 14 MPG.
This is an irrelevant argument. Quite a few trucks can't get over 17, and even more older model cars get even less than that, even those precious muscle cars. Sorry, a lot of us find riced up hondas retarded.
Just because you can afford to live a lifestyle fraught with pointlessly high spending and wasteful living doesn't mean I should respect that and not think you're a complete jackass for doing it.
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2)Bullshit, for one, because if a Hummer causes an accident it will typically barrel through whatever it hit and cause minimal extra accident collision. Where as a car, especially a small car which is easily overlooked can bring traffic to a standstill and cause conciderably more superficial damage as well as being MORE cars into an accident.
You're kidding, right?
Engineers have to produce a car that will protect their driver from the majority of possible impacts for the budget they are given. The majority of cars on the road are midsize sedans. Cars are therefore designed to do well in an impact with this size and style of car. When you have a car that weighs 4 times as much and stands with it's bumper 24 inches higher, as to completly miss the impact zone of your car and hit the middle of the hood or the pillars, that makes it dangerous to the drivers of the majority of cars on the road.
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3)BWHWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Jeeps are a Pantywaste as far as offroad, even the Wrangler as Sage pointed out, even though it is the best suited for it. Jeeps have very fragile structure by comparison, hell most regular trucks can handle more than they can, unless they are heavily modified. But then your not really driving a Jeep now are you. Clearance is thier only saving grace. And most of the consumer versions such as the Cherokee don't even have that. Also you are talking about a vehicle company who has THE MOST NOTORIOUS roll over record in automotive history. Jeeps are HORRIBLY unsafe, and in a regular open top Jeep you are pretty much guaranteed death even with your seatbelt and every other saftey feature intact. They have shit for handleing and a narrow wheelbase. This is probably one of the most retarded arguments to come up in this thread.
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4)This comment is so pointless it doesn't even warrant a responce, cept for maybe the one Sage already provided, which I agree with. After the 3 point you made, I don't even know what the hell your argument is anymore...
The argument is that, in my opinion, for the reasons listed above, hummers are expensive and wasteful cars bought by ignorant, selfish people who don't give a fuck about anyone else but themselves, or they would have bought a different car.
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That's not only bullshit, but it's already been addressed in this thread.
You call this being addressed?
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Bloodsage needs to learn to type:
Even a casual look at the flap surrounding the alleged dangerous nature of SUVs shows the stupidity inherent how the statistics are being used: most tout the injury to people in small cars involved with larger ones, then counterintuitively point to the larger vehicle as being unsafe. Sorry, dude, but that simply doesn't follow. The correct conclusion is that larger vehicles protect their occupants better, rather than ONOS LOOK WHAT THAT EVIL SUV DID TO MY GEO!!1.
That's rediculous, and shows an incredible amount of ignorance as to the reality of safety design with cars.
Jeebus, what a load of self-righteous crap. Since when is everyone with more money than you obliged only to spend it in ways you approve?
Welcome to Maslow's hierarchy: at some point, you stop spending money on what you need, and get to spend it on what you like. You also get to start buying the very best of things, rather than the bare minimum you think will "do the job."
Your absolute ignorance of off-roading is just icing on your "shoot me I'm an idiot" cake. Jeeps? No one serious takes a Cherokee off road. And the HMMV is, frankly, the best offroad platform there is, with both the best clearance and very good articulation. The Range Rover--another pricey SUV--also has much better clearance and articulation than any Jeep on the road, and is much more rugged in addition. Hell, the $98K Porsche Cayenne has better offroad credentials than a damned Jeep. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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That's rediculous, and shows an incredible amount of ignorance as to the reality of safety design with cars.
It's "ridiculous."
And, no it isn't. Frankly, it's more valid to look at protection of the occupants than to whine about your Geo getting run over by. . .Hell, squirrels could total it.
Why should we mandate cars that protect their occupants less, just to level the playing field?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Just because you can afford to live a lifestyle fraught with pointlessly high spending and wasteful living doesn't mean I should respect that and not think you're a complete jackass for doing it.
There are far more vehicles with even worse MPG than a Hummer, ONTOP of worse management of said MPGs. In fact not 30 years ago, you'd be lucky to get a car that hit the mid-20 mark on MPGs. And they were STANDARD, and are far more common on the roads still today because quite a few people still respect older model designs (Or just flat out can't afford to get a newer car). Because of all the other purposes it serves, which you choose to ignore, it is also not 'wastefull living' in quite a few peoples eyes. It is also not a living that directly affects anyone BUT the owner of said vehicle, and not all owners of said vehicles use them for flaunt value cept for maybe hollywood stars, as there are quite a few benefits to said vehicles. This is a lame argument, at best, and reeks again more of jealousy than anything else.
Engineers have to produce a car that will protect their driver from the majority of possible impacts for the budget they are given. The majority of cars on the road are midsize sedans. Cars are therefore designed to do well in an impact with this size and style of car. When you have a car that weighs 4 times as much and stands with it's bumper 24 inches higher, as to completly miss the impact zone of your car and hit the middle of the hood or the pillars, that makes it dangerous to the drivers of the majority of cars on the road. quote:
You're kidding, right?
You do realize most late 80's model vehicles and older can decimate most cars on the roads today because of thier weight, design, and materials? My Lincoln Mark VII, if it was still running, could total a Honda Civic while barely damaging itself. Yet if I hit a Civic headon at a decent speed thier drivers would be paste because it weighs as much as most current trucks, and is solid steel, while sitting higher than most current Sedans. Oh, but wait, forgetfull me! It gets 29MPGs with its V8, and it's all about Luxury. And you do realize RV's, Busses, and Rigs (All of which can be PRIVATELY OWNED AND DRIVEN) which there are thousands more on the roads compared to Hummers can totally decimate a Hummer, imagine what it could do to a plastic Sedan driver. This argument is retarded and baseless when directed at any one specific vehicle.
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I would hate to see what you think is a good off road vehicle if you think Jeeps are a bad platform. And this point is seperate and indepandant from any of the others I am making. Jeeps are 10x the off roading vehicles that hummers are.
I would hate to be anywhere near you, let alone riding with you if you believe the Jeep is a good offroading platform. Really, please, all you do is show your ignorance on the subject here if you think the Jeep, compared to other options, is the ideal offroading platform. Jeeps, and the old Bronco II's are notorious death traps. Please, go back to your Hondamishityouenyass party wagon. You aren't making any sense here.
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The argument is that, in my opinion, for the reasons listed above, hummers are expensive and wasteful cars bought by ignorant, selfish people who don't give a fuck about anyone else but themselves, or they would have bought a different car.
Your reasons are horribly flawed, illogical, and wrought with inexperience and flat out flase information. As is your generalization of the drivers behind all these vehicles which makes you out to be even more of an ass. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 02:34 PM.
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I never knew Bloodsage spoke idiot:
Bitter and petty, are we, Blindy?Jeebus, what a load of self-righteous crap. Since when is everyone with more money than you obliged only to spend it in ways you approve?
Welcome to Maslow's hierarchy: at some point, you stop spending money on what you need, and get to spend it on what you like. You also get to start buying the very best of things, rather than the bare minimum you think will "do the job."
Your absolute ignorance of off-roading is just icing on your "shoot me I'm an idiot" cake. Jeeps? No one serious takes a Cherokee off road. And the HMMV is, frankly, the best offroad platform there is, with both the best clearance and very good articulation. The Range Rover--another pricey SUV--also has much better clearance and articulation than any Jeep on the road, and is much more rugged in addition. Hell, the $98K Porsche Cayenne has better offroad credentials than a damned Jeep.
No one's obliged to spend their money on what I approve, but that doesn't mean I have to respect them for spending their money on frivolous crap that endangers the lives of people who drive normal cars, just so they can suit their ego.
And a Hummer H2 is in no way even related to a Humvee. Blindy fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 02:49 PM.
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Faelynn LeAndris's ass must be crazy:
Your reasons are horribly flawed, illogical, and wrought with inexperience and flat out flase information. As is your generalization of the drivers behind all these vehicles which makes you out to be even more of an ass.
When you have an argument that isn't based on, "Well 30 years ago" or "My really old car that there are about 4,000 of still on the road", and actually deals with the majority of situations, the majority of people, and the reality that is americas highways and what engineers can and can't do to protect drivers on them, then you can tell me I'm horribly flawed, illogical, and wrought with inexperience.
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No one's obliged to spend their money on what I approve, but that doesn't mean I have to respect them for spending their money on frivolous crap that endangers the lives of people who drive normal cars to suit their ego.And a Hummer H2 is in no way even related to a Humvee.
Oh, I understand now!
No one has to buy only things you approve. . .but they're idiots if they don't.
That makes so much more sense.
If you feel unsafe in your little plastic deathtrap, then buy a real car.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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No one's obliged to spend their money on what I approve, but that doesn't mean I have to respect them for spending their money on frivolous crap that endangers the lives of people who drive normal cars to suit their ego.And a Hummer H2 is in no way even related to a Humvee.
It shares the same traits in train, clearance, and base design. It is no where near comparable to the Humvee, but it still outshines a Jeep.
On the endangers the lives of everyone else on the road... You do realize an Dodge Ram 2500, Ram 3500, F-250, and F-350 all have the same clearance and hieght of a H1/H2 within a few inches, and easily clear the hood of most Sedans (Normal Cars) and also maximumly exceed the weight of Sedans. They have a narrower wheel base (ie: You cannot turn the wheel as far on such a car at certain speeds without exponetially increasing the chance of Rollover) than an H1/H2 making them more dangerous on the roads. They are cheaper for the inexperienced consumer, and there are thousands more of them on the road per every H1/H2. They aslo get shit MPG, EPA outage, and have limited purpose. They are also highly targeted for trophy/coolness factor.
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Oh, I understand now!No one has to buy only things you approve. . .but they're idiots if they don't.
That makes so much more sense.
If you feel unsafe in your little plastic deathtrap, then buy a real car.
I drive a VW Golf Mk4, it's one of the safest cars on the road today. And very little of it is plastic.
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I drive a VW Golf Mk4, it's one of the safest cars on the road today. And very little of it is plastic.
How very manly. No wonder you're whining about people who drive useful vehicles.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Blindy had this to say about the Spice Girls:
When you have an argument that isn't based on, "Well 30 years ago" or "My really old car that there are about 4,000 of still on the road", and actually deals with the majority of situations, the majority of people, and the reality that is americas highways and what engineers can and can't do to protect drivers on them, then you can tell me I'm horribly flawed, illogical, and wrought with inexperience.
The number of decade old and older vehicles, that fit into the category of my lincoln, to newer vehicles is far higher than 4,000. And you are feeding into a lot of propoganda bullshit on what a company can and cant do. And I don't have to tell you anything, you have proved it time and time again, with every knew post, that you have absolutely NO experience whatsoever with the crap you arguing about, and that your arguments are horribly flawed.
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I drive a VW Golf Mk4, it's one of the safest cars on the road today. And very little of it is plastic.
Hahaha, almost the entire body on that thing is FiberGlass and Aluminum.
I can see why you fear Hummers... Or hell, just about any other car for that matter... Just about anything on the road can tear up that speedbump. ANd your experience with cars of this caliber is what leads you to believe that the Hummer is the allmighty devil machine? 
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Hahaha, almost the entire body on that thing is FiberGlass and Aluminum.I can see why you fear Hummers... Or hell, just about any other car for that matter... Just about anything on the road can tear up that speedbump. ANd your experience with cars of this caliber is what leads you to believe that the Hummer is the allmighty devil machine?
Try 100% virgin german steel for the space frame and unibody panels.
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Don't feed the Bloodsage:
How very manly. No wonder you're whining about people who drive useful vehicles.
I don't have to buy a big car to make me feel manly. Sorry to disappoint. Blindy fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 03:04 PM.
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How.... Blindy.... uughhhhhh:
Try 100% virgin german steel for the space frame and unibody panels.
And you do know that accounts for squat, especially when it's size along makes having that strong a frame more dangerous than otherwise.
If you get into an accident which can bend the frame, or otherwise make the car in-escapable by normal means, which will be the case because of its size, you have no where to go. In fact without SOME give in the frame, (WHich you don't have room for on something that small without hurting the passengers) you'll be banged around on the inside of that thing like a ping pong ball. In any collision that car would be utterly destroyed beyond help, even if the frame and body panels hold up. And Unibody panels are a hinderance all thier own.
Also because of its size, and being unibody, it will be subject to high wind alterations. Which is the case for ALL cars of that type, no exceptions, which will cause it to float. Drag from larger vehicles also make it dagerous, specially if passing a freight. And I bet mud puddles or potholes are a REAL blast. Also note that car has shit for tension strength on rough road conditions which can totally destroy the driver train on them and the steering components.
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....You do realize an Dodge Ram 2500, Ram 3500, F-250, and F-350 all have the same clearance and hieght of a H1/H2 within a few inches, and easily clear the hood of most Sedans (Normal Cars) and also maximumly exceed the weight of Sedans. They have a narrower wheel base (ie: You cannot turn the wheel as far on such a car at certain speeds without exponetially increasing the chance of Rollover) than an H1/H2 making them more dangerous on the roads. They are cheaper for the inexperienced consumer, and there are thousands more of them on the road per every H1/H2. They aslo get shit MPG, EPA outage, and have limited purpose. They are also highly targeted for trophy/coolness factor.
I can attest to the fact Dodges have shit turning, my F-150 turns and handles much better than my Old man's 2500, his Dodge drives like a freaking boat.
Also Fae, to point out Trucks are the most common work vehicals out their, so that a number in addtion to coolness factor, plus the converts of the heavy duties into specilized trucks (Like Tow trucks or Box trucks), Not to mention other large vehical like Vans (I know, my work has at least 200 of them for the techs working on the road, they get driven at least 10 hours evey danmed day, all over the Garden state.)
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If Faelynn LeAndris was a glacier, they'd be a fast one:
And you do know that accounts for squat, especially when it's size along makes having that strong a frame more dangerous than otherwise.If you get into an accident which can bend the frame, or otherwise make the car in-escapable by normal means, which will be the case because of its size, you have no where to go. In fact without SOME give in the frame, (WHich you don't have room for on something that small without hurting the passengers) you'll be banged around on the inside of that thing like a ping pong ball. In any collision that car would be utterly destroyed beyond help, even if the frame and body panels hold up. And Unibody panels are a hinderance all thier own.
Also because of its size, and being unibody, it will be subject to high wind alterations. Which is the case for ALL cars of that type, no exceptions, which will cause it to float. Drag from larger vehicles also make it dagerous, specially if passing a freight. And I bet mud puddles or potholes are a REAL blast. Also note that car has shit for tension strength on rough road conditions which can totally destroy the driver train on them and the steering components.
Trust me. The hundreds of engineers who designed the car know a million times more about aerodynamics and crash safety than an unemployed artist in texas. Blindy fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 03:13 PM.
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Trust me. The hundreds of engineers who designed the car know a million times more about aerodynamics and crash safety than an unemployed artist in texas.
Shall we decide this, then, on quality of employment, income, and overall knowledge of the subject at hand?
You'd lose. On all counts.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage's ass must be crazy:
Shall we decide this, then, on quality of employment, income, and overall knowledge of the subject at hand?You'd lose. On all counts.
Your argument, as far as I can tell, is that "it's OK that large SUV's are needlessly dangerous for every other driver on the road, because those people should have bought a bigger car, the fools."
I don't think throwing status into it is going to help us.
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Your argument, as far as I can tell, is that "it's OK that large SUV's are needlessly dangerous for every other driver on the road, because those people should have bought a bigger car, the fools."I don't think throwing status into it is going to help us.
You're the idiot who thought employment had something to do with it. Bring it. And if you can't stand the comparison, get back to the fucking topic.
Also, point to where I've said anything of the type. You've made an unsupported allegation that--somehow--SUVs are inherently dangerous because. . .DUN DUN DUN. . .they're not small. That's bullshit.
Why do you give no credence to the fact that they're safer for their occupants? Seems to me I should choose the vehicle that's safe for me and my family, rather than the one that won't hurt someone else if they run into me.
Further, in order for your allegations to be taken seriously, you must provide data showing that SUVs cause more accidents than other vehicles, and that SUV drivers are at fault in the majority of accidents in which they are involved. You've done nothing, however, except spout drivel about how you don't like them as a matter of taste.
Finally, your absolute ignorance of anything to do with offroad driving taints everything else you are saying. By being so completely and unrecoverably wrong on one of your major points, and by failing to provide the least bit of data for any others, you undermine your entire stance. The icing is that now you are simply calling other people names and ridiculing their employment status, further demonstrating you have nothing to back your claims but emotion and jealousy.
{edit: style, grammar} Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 03:34 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Blindy probably says this to all the girls:
Trust me. The hundreds of engineers who designed the car know a million times more about aerodynamics and crash safety than an unemployed artist in texas.
Okay you egotistical little fucknut, lets start with the basics that your dimished capacity for common sense and basic physics can comprehend. You can bring up all the aerodynaic structuring, physical elements, and what have you and there will always still be constants that apply. This applys to anything in the realm involving aerodynamics from cars to jet planes and rockets which I sure Sage can thoroughly educate you on in that area since it is not my area of expertise.
So when you get your little pussysmacked ass into you little golf cart in a fancy shell on the road, there are guaranteed conditions that will apply that can only be LESSENED by engineering, but not removed. So when your mobile egg has to go up against any REAL competition, be it a Hummer or any OTHER real car, it's going to get it's ass spanked. It's size alone is it's biggest safety risk which any fucking moron with half a brain could tell you. The smaller you are, the more at risk you are, with no fucking relevance to engineering expertise.
So when you look up long enough from sucking your own dick, you know since you're the only one who can do it right and knows whats best for it, and take a look at real experience. I think it's safe to say with all my years of experience on the roads, in offroad, hazzardous, rural as well as urban conditions, I think it's safe to say I know a hell of lot more than someone of you self loving pansyass. So maybe when your balls drop and you can drag your self away from your moms tit and learn how the real world works, you can come back with something. Until then you can just sit back in your worthlessly deluded little shell and think that in your infinite wisdom you haven't been made out to be a little twat today, and that your infalibale argument in your own mind, was indeed as flawless and glorious as your wonderous as yourself. For now though, the real boys can play, while pasty faced hopelessly pathetic morons such as yourself can bask in thier own world of spankyness.
And since you have been so throrougly debunked in your arguments as being idiotic and stupid that you decided to make this a personal thing, and attack me personally in my choices in life. Get this little fact strait you little ass wipe. You are no where near my level, you will never be ON my level, you will as always be so far blow me even pissing on your parade would be a chore. And keep in mind what I've done were choices, as I saw fit, which someone of your obviously pathetic existence will never have the ability to make because there isn't enough in you to make anything worth while count. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 03:34 PM.
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If I had a nickle for every time Bloodsage said:
You're the idiot who thought employment had something to do with it. Bring it. And if you can't stand the comparison, get back to the fucking topic.
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Also, point to where I've said anything of the type. You've made an unsupported allegation that--somehow--SUVs are inherently dangerous because. . .DUN DUN DUN. . .they're not small. That's bullshit.
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Why do you give no credence to the fact that they're safer for their occupants. Seems to me I should choose the vehicle that's safe for me and my family, rather than the one that won't hurt someone else if they run into me.
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Further, in order for your allegations to be taken seriously, you must provide data showing that SUVs cause more accidents than other vehicles, and that SUV drivers are at fault in the majority of accidents in which they are involved. You've done nothing, however, except spout drivel about how you don't like them as a matter of taste.
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Finally, your absolute ignorance of anything to do with offroad driving taints everything else you are saying. By being so completely and unrecoverably wrong on one of your major points, and by failing to provide the least bit of data for any others, you undermine your entire stance. The icing is that now you are simply calling other people names and ridiculing their employment status, further demonstrating you have nothing to back your claims but emotion and jealousy.{edit: style}
That's right. I'm jealous of hummer owners. Thats why I think they are wasteful, ignorant, pompous jackasses and I laugh every time I see one stuck in the snow or on a tree stump or on a rock. It's all jealousy.
If you are going to claim that all SUVs are dangerous to other vehicles, you'd better bring out the data I mentioned. Otherwise, the claim simply doesn't stand up, and it's just you whining that other people have bigger toys.
Nice dodge on the point about the misinformation you mentioned about offroad value. Too bad it's so obvious. That point stands, too.
Your argument consists of a single point: you don't like them, so anyone who owns one is evil and only showing off. After all, no one else could possibly have a need you don't, and it's the very essence of evil to buy something for which one doesn't have a verifiable need.
You're an idiot, Blindy.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Blindy had this to say about Duck Tales:
I wasn't second guessing the quality of the engineering behind the best selling car in europe, the safest small car ever tested according to most testing institutes, and the best selling car VW has ever made.
Safest SMALL Car, which being a SMALL car inherently makes it more dangerous than all these NORMAL cars you are vying for. So it's safer than an Aspire or Metro? It's still dangerous based sheerly on it's size. And there is no difference in driving conditions between Europe and the US? And it doesn't help that VW is German so is a EUROPEAN Car in that it is a best selling car in Europe, or that is is a CHEAP European Car? And I do believe the Bug is still the best Selling VW Car ever made, and is by far the most popular. Worldwide of course, cause you know, I don't like base a cars sells in its own country solely for deciding how good it is.
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No it isn't. My problem is this: If they were large and served some purpose other than being a glorifed cod-peice, then I wouldn't hate them as much. They are a status symbol.
This is more of your retarded, inexpereience, uneducated, assumption bullshit. They are not the largest, they have comparable counterparts in the size department which are FAR FAR more common on the roads, and some that EXCEED THEM in the size department which are even MORE common on the roads. And like it or not, beyond your horribly retarded assumptions, they have more purpose beyong being a cod-piece. Which note, I find horribly ironic coming from one of the biggest PC-Wang wavers at EC using the whole trophy symbol argument. Even the H2, which IS a notorious trophy symbol has more purpose beyond being just a trohy symbol. But, yeah, you'd have to have some common sense and experience with it to understand that, so we'll continue to exclude you on that one.
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Yes that would be the obvious choice if you were a person who only thought of themself. There are plenty of cars out there that are just as safe without being dangerous to everyone else.
Actually thats an argument on someone who thinks of his FAMILY AND PASSENGERS rather than just themselves. Again, common sense. And on the second part of that sentence. No, no there aren't. In fact by your own allegations SUV's are dangerous to everyone else, while they do indeed keep thier OWN passengers safe because of everything that makes them so 'unavoidably dangerous' to everyone else. You have failed, just shutup now, it's already beyond you being able to save face.
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Why? I never claimed that. Why should I prove something I've never claimed?
Yes, yes you have. REPEATEDLY. One of your PRIME arguments is how they are so much more dangerous to everyone else on the road. Wtf are you trying to back out on now...
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That's right. I'm jealous of hummer owners. Thats why I think they are wasteful, ignorant, pompous jackasses and I laugh every time I see one stuck in the snow or on a tree stump or on a rock. It's all jealousy.
You are being the only ignorant pompous jackass around here. I laugh everytime I pass one of those mobile eggs and thier type on the road, and I only drive an Intrepid now.
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If Bloodsage was a glacier, they'd be a fast one:
You're an idiot, Blindy.If you are going to claim that all SUVs are dangerous to other vehicles, you'd better bring out the data I mentioned. Otherwise, the claim simply doesn't stand up, and it's just you whining that other people have bigger toys.
Nice dodge on the point about the misinformation you mentioned about offroad value. Too bad it's so obvious. That point stands, too.
Your argument consists of a single point: you don't like them, so anyone who owns one is evil and only showing off. After all, no one else could possibly have a need you don't, and it's the very essence of evil to buy something for which one doesn't have a verifiable need.
You're an idiot, Blindy.
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True, in a crash with a car an SUV will inflict more damage because it is heavier, stiffer and higher than a passenger car, says Kim Hazelbaker, senior vice president of the Highway Loss Data Institute. In a severe crash, the SUV will also inflict more damage to the occupants of the other vehicle.In fact, many insurance companies charge higher liability insurance for SUV drivers because studies show the damage to the other vehicle is greater in a crash.
"They do more damage to the other vehicles so their liability rates are always higher," says Sabrina Howell, an agent with Nationwide Insurance in Orlando, Fla. "They are also more costly to repair."
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New government testing shows that as automakers design SUVs and pickups to score well in insurance industry and government frontal crash tests, they are making front ends so stiff that they might be more dangerous to those riding in small cars.Getting a good crash-test rating doesn't mean a vehicle will show lower rates of injuries and deaths for its occupants in a crash, according to separate analyses by USA TODAY and General Motors.
The issue of "compatibility" what happens when one type of vehicle crashes into another has become a growing safety concern, particularly with the increasing popularity of trucks, which sit higher and weigh more than cars.
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In collisions between passenger cars and light trucks (SUVs, pickup trucks and vans), occupants of cars were more than four times as likely to die compared to occupants of SUVs. Such crashes caused 5,579 deaths in the U.S. in 2003, according to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA). Just over 80% of the deaths were car occupants.
If you had taken 20 seconds to actually research what you were talking about, you probibly wouldn't have challenged me. I could keep going if you prefer.
You haven't proven that SUVs are inherently dangerous at all. To do so, you need to show that they are not only causing the accidents, but that they are causing accidents at a higher rate than others.
Dipshit. Learn to read.
Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 04:02 PM.
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--Satan, quoted by John Milton
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Get the soap! Bloodsage just said:
Did you even read what I said?You haven't proven that SUVs are inherently dangerous at all. To do so, you need to show that they are not only causing the accidents, but that they are causing accidents at a higher rate than others.
Dipshit. Learn to read.
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I never set out to prove that they were dangerous to anyone besides the other party involved in the accident, if they were foolish enough to be driving the most common type of car on Americas roads. If you think otherwise you should re-read what I've said. I think you're confusing me with some other posters.
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I bet Bloodsage's Mother is proud:
BTW, Blindy, most of what you quote demonstrates unequivocably that SUVs are safer than other vehicles.
I never said they were more dangerous to their passengers, just everyone else on the road. Blindy fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 04:07 PM.
