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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Kegwen said:
35-40 mpg cars are definitely the big wasteful ones out there. Oh man, those pollution-spewing Civics.
The argument wasn't about MPG's or fuel economy. He was arguing pollutants, which because of the engines recylcying before exhaust on some larger more high profile engines, which is something a Civic doesn't have it produces more pollutants per gallon. 
Try following what I said before you try and be sarcastic about it.
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Pvednes had this to say about (_|_):
Actually it's working quite well so far in practice, which is what I'm saying there. Downright unpleasant if you try to drive though the city central though.
If you have a pipleine, and something in that pipeline gets stopped up, what happens to everything behind the blockage?
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Verily, Faelynn LeAndris doth proclaim:
The argument wasn't about MPG's or fuel economy. He was arguing pollutants, which because of the engines recylcying before exhaust on some larger more high profile engines, which is something a Civic doesn't have it produces more pollutants per gallon.Try following what I said before you try and be sarcastic about it.
You mean it produces a different makeup of pollutants per gallon. The total pollutants per gallon is constant, which is what I was trying to point out to Reynar before. Pvednes fucked around with this message on 08-29-2004 at 03:30 AM.
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Faelynn LeAndris Model 2000 was programmed to say:
The argument wasn't about MPG's or fuel economy. He was arguing pollutants, which because of the engines recylcying before exhaust on some larger more high profile engines, which is something a Civic doesn't have it produces more pollutants per gallon.Try following what I said before you try and be sarcastic about it.
Well, I doubt they'd be able to fit an engine with that capability in a car of that size anyway. Or maybe it'd throw the expected price of cars in that range wayyy off. Anyway, if it takes a huge car X gallons to get to a location, and it takes a Civic much much less than X gallons to get to the same location, then it seems to balance out.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Kegwen said:
Well, I doubt they'd be able to fit an engine with that capability in a car of that size anyway. Or maybe it'd throw the expected price of cars in that range wayyy off. Anyway, if it takes a huge car X gallons to get to a location, and it takes a Civic much much less than X gallons to get to the same location, then it seems to balance out.
Yeah, that was kinda the point. Thanks for clearing it up.
It is indeed too large, and definitely costly, which detracts from the economy appeal of said cars.
My point exactly was that his train in logic was indeed WAY off base since although it balances out there are far more Civic's on the road than there are Hummers, so if his logic applies to flipping off hummers for these ecological reasons then he needs to turn his attention to the civics because there are far more of them who polute more than that the handlefull of hummers you may see.
Edit: Oh, and unless its a hybrid, there is no way it is getting 40mpgs. Faelynn LeAndris fucked around with this message on 08-29-2004 at 03:37 AM.
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Pvednes wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Heh, much of the medical staff of Box Hill Hospital call those particular motorcyclists "Temporary Australians." Seen plenty of them on the roads...or at least, they're the most memorable.And if I had my way, the roads in city centers would be replaced about entirely with trams...which coincidently appears to be slowly happening.
And do you know what causes most motorcycle accidents? Cars doing stupid shit.
Hell, by your own logic, we should all dump cars and ride motorcyles because they're much more fuel efficient, and doing so would stop the carnage caused by inattentive and stupid car drivers.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Pvednes had this to say about Optimus Prime:
You mean it produces a different makeup of pollutants per gallon. The total pollutants per gallon is constant, which is what I was trying to point out to Reynar before.
No, the pollutants per gallon on a Hummer are less than the pollutants per gallon on a Civic because the exhaust is actually recycled and reburned before it even BECOMES exhaust. Makeup is irrelevant. The exhaust on a Hummer is cleaner than the exhaust from a non-hybrid econo-car.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Pirotess:
And do you know what causes most motorcycle accidents? Cars doing stupid shit.Hell, by your own logic, we should all dump cars and ride motorcyles because they're much more fuel efficient, and doing so would stop the carnage caused by inattentive and stupid car drivers.
"Temporary Australian" refers to those motorcyclists who weave between everyone else in heavy traffic inbetween the lanes at 160km/h, and get sliced in two between a couple of trucks in the process. Not the average motorcyclist.
Yes, it's obvious, but too many people use thier emotions not thier brain.
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So quoth Pvednes:
Hmm, in which case can you recommend some decent places to get the facts; aside from the various consumer's guides I was looking at?
Read and interpret the actual crash test data.
Those consumer guides you speak of are the ones promoting the myth that trucks should handle like cars. . .and must be evil death traps if they don't.
The alleged rollover propensity of SUVs is a case-in-point: you have to be incredibly stupid to make that happen, besides the fact that it's a simple by-product of physics that any vehicle with decent cargo capacity will have a high center of gravity. Hell, an 18-wheeler can roll over as slow as 30-40 mph if the driver is stupid on a high-way off-ramp. Not driving like you're in a Corvette is the key to survival in a truck.
Even a casual look at the flap surrounding the alleged dangerous nature of SUVs shows the stupidity inherent how the statistics are being used: most tout the injury to people in small cars involved with larger ones, then counterintuitively point to the larger vehicle as being unsafe. Sorry, dude, but that simply doesn't follow. The correct conclusion is that larger vehicles protect their occupants better, rather than ONOS LOOK WHAT THAT EVIL SUV DID TO MY GEO!!1.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Faelynn LeAndris's account was hax0red to write:
Edit: Oh, and unless its a hybrid, there is no way it is getting 40mpgs.
According to Fueleconomy.gov:
2004 Honda Civic Hybrid manual transmission:
~46 mpg city
~51 mpg highway
2004 Honda Civic VTEC-E manual transmission:
~36 mpg city
~44 mpg highway
I'm fairly sure the regular Civic that gets that much gas mileage is also the most expensive model. Also worth noting, even though it's completely irrelevent to this discussion: Honda's variable Automatic transmission (not the same as normal automatic transmission) seems to rival manual's fuel economy. Kegwen fucked around with this message on 08-29-2004 at 03:48 AM.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Faelynn LeAndris wrote:
No, the pollutants per gallon on a Hummer are less than the pollutants per gallon on a Civic because the exhaust is actually recycled and reburned before it even BECOMES exhaust. Makeup is irrelevant. The exhaust on a Hummer is cleaner than the exhaust from a non-hybrid econo-car.
I mean, it would produce less of the various alternate pollutants, like unburnt hydrocarbon, and carbon monoxide, and more of the "ideal" products, such as carbon dioxide out per galllon. NOX notwithstanding, as it is the result of the combustion. Otherwise all that carbon would just be building up in your engine.
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Pvednes had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
"Temporary Australian" refers to those motorcyclists who weave between everyone else in heavy traffic inbetween the lanes at 160km/h, and get sliced in two between a couple of trucks in the process. Not the average motorcyclist.
See? That's the other benefit to motorcycles: stupid people kill themselves at a much higher rate than in cars. There's a time and place for lane-splitting, but that isn't it.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Read and interpret the actual crash test data.Those consumer guides you speak of are the ones promoting the myth that trucks should handle like cars. . .and must be evil death traps if they don't.
The alleged rollover propensity of SUVs is a case-in-point: you have to be incredibly stupid to make that happen, besides the fact that it's a simple by-product of physics that any vehicle with decent cargo capacity will have a high center of gravity. Hell, an 18-wheeler can roll over as slow as 30-40 mph if the driver is stupid on a high-way off-ramp. Not driving like you're in a Corvette is the key to survival in a truck.
Even a casual look at the flap surrounding the alleged dangerous nature of SUVs shows the stupidity inherent how the statistics are being used: most tout the injury to people in small cars involved with larger ones, then counterintuitively point to the larger vehicle as being unsafe. Sorry, dude, but that simply doesn't follow. The correct conclusion is that larger vehicles protect their occupants better, rather than ONOS LOOK WHAT THAT EVIL SUV DID TO MY GEO!!1.
Fair enough.
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Bloodsage stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
See? That's the other benefit to motorcycles: stupid people kill themselves at a much higher rate than in cars. There's a time and place for lane-splitting, but that isn't it.
Who said I disapprove of motorcycles? *grin*
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Faelynn LeAndris spewed forth this undeniable truth:
The argument wasn't about MPG's or fuel economy. He was arguing pollutants, which because of the engines recylcying before exhaust on some larger more high profile engines, which is something a Civic doesn't have it produces more pollutants per gallon.Try following what I said before you try and be sarcastic about it.
Speculating is for lamers. This site, gov't operated, is fairly informative.
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Check out the big brain on Pvednes!
Fair enough.
There are some actual points in here to debate; I'm just sick and tired of the bullshit perpetuation of myths surrounding SUVs and their evil soccermom masters.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Nobody really understood why Vorbis wrote:
Speculating is for lamers. This site, gov't operated, is fairly informative.
haw haw I beat you to linking it I rule hawhalfkaj;f
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Everyone wondered WTF when Kegwen wrote:
haw haw I beat you to linking it I rule hawhalfkaj;f
I actually got distracted looking at stuff on the site while in the middle of posting.
'Sage - lay off my Geo, man! It's all I got. 
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Vorbis thought about the meaning of life:
I actually got distracted looking at stuff on the site while in the middle of posting.'Sage - lay off my Geo, man! It's all I got.
At least I drive a Volvo station wagon. I fear wrecking with SUVs or larger trucks, but aside from that I'm fairly safe in a crash.
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We were all impressed when Kegwen wrote:
At least I drive a Volvo station wagon. I fear wrecking with SUVs or larger trucks, but aside from that I'm fairly safe in a crash.
I worry about hitting large dogs and small children. They'll wreck my ride!
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Vorbis had this to say about (_|_):
I worry about hitting large dogs and small children. They'll wreck my ride!
rofl
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Vorbis probably says this to all the girls:
I actually got distracted looking at stuff on the site while in the middle of posting.'Sage - lay off my Geo, man! It's all I got.
Nothing against Geos. . .though one did do a 4-lane sweep on a freeway in Omaha and clipped the front of my Lexus. He told the cops he was sedately changing lanes 3 car-lengths in front of me when I sped up and intentionally rammed him. 
I had to whip out the old physics reference and plot the required acceleration curves for his insurance company to prove his lie. They dropped his ass and had to pay $1500 to paint my bumper and replace my headlight. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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So quoth Bloodsage:
Nothing against Geos. . .though one did do a 4-lane sweep on a freeway in Omaha and clipped the front of my Lexus. He told the cops he was sedately changing lanes 3 car-lengths in front of me when I sped up and intentionally rammed him.I had to whip out the old physics reference and plot the required acceleration curves for his insurance company to prove his lie. They dropped his ass and had to pay $1500 to paint my bumper and replace my headlight.
I've noticed a lotta Geo drivers being absolutely crazy. 
Some Intrepid-like car attempted to change lanes into my side today. I feel a great deal of sympathy for motorcyclists - Metros seem to be just as invisible. That got me a little frightened.
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Bloodsage spewed forth this undeniable truth:
[...]I had to whip out the old physics reference and plot the required acceleration curves for his insurance company to prove his lie. They dropped his ass and had to pay $1500 to paint my bumper and replace my headlight.
Now that rules. Pull the notepad out of the glovebox and prove your case mathematically for the copper.
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Pvednes was listening to Cher while typing:
Now that rules. Pull the notepad out of the glovebox and prove your case mathematically for the copper.
I didn't know what the other guy said until I got the accident report from the police, so I did up both a mathematical proof and an acceleration graph for his insurance company.
I listed my assumptions for the time it takes to change lanes cautiously, erring on his behalf, and for how much a "car length" was, again erring on his behalf. I then showed the necessary acceleration for me to cover those 3 car lengths in the given fraction of a second: a little over 3g.
Not exactly realistic for my car at all, much less pulling that kind of acceleration in 5th gear! Physics is your friend.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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So quoth Bloodsage:
I didn't know what the other guy said until I got the accident report from the police, so I did up both a mathematical proof and an acceleration graph for his insurance company.I listed my assumptions for the time it takes to change lanes cautiously, erring on his behalf, and for how much a "car length" was, again erring on his behalf. I then showed the necessary acceleration for me to cover those 3 car lengths in the given fraction of a second: a little over 3g.
Not exactly realistic for my car at all, much less pulling that kind of acceleration in 5th gear! Physics is your friend.
Hrmm, you sure you were in your lexus and not in the fighter jet? Sure seems easy to get the two confused!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
What model ya got, out of curiousity?
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Pvednes got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Quite.What model ya got, out of curiousity?
Sadly, I sold it before moving to Germany.
It was a '93 ES300 w/ manual transmission. Last year they made the manual.
I highly recommend Lexus vehicles: top-notch realiability combined with awesome comfort and great customer service.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Sadly, I sold it before moving to Germany.It was a '93 ES300 w/ manual transmission. Last year they made the manual.
I highly recommend Lexus vehicles: top-notch realiability combined with awesome comfort and great customer service.
Aww.. Yes, they rule...it'll be about 5 years before an actually good car is within my means, mind you.
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So quoth Pvednes:
Actually, hypocrite, freedom of speech means the right to speak freely; which includes the right to speak out against or about the government. It is in no way limited to that.
YOu can not just walk up to a person and start insulting them. Oh sure you can do it. But it is called harassment. this would fall under the same category. I asked Abe last night what he though about this and if they got continued reports of some idiot flipping off cars and pissing people off then the guy would be picked up.
And The constitution does only cover what we can and can not do in regards to the Federal government. Azizza fucked around with this message on 08-29-2004 at 11:44 AM.
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Azizza obviously shouldn't have said:
YOu can not just walk up to a person and start insulting them. Oh sure you can do it. But it is called harassment. this would fall under the same category. I asked Abe last night what he though about this and if they got continued reports of some idiot flipping off cars and pissing people off then the guy would be picked up.And The constitution does only cover what we can and can not do in regards to the Federal government.
But how many people do you think will file a police report for being flipped off? And thats even if the officer lets you file a harrassment report. I don't know about State law there, but in Nevada it has to be ongoing to be considered harrassment.
Besides, what's next? Sit on a Mini day? Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael fucked around with this message on 08-29-2004 at 12:36 PM.
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ACES! Another post by Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael:
I'd flip off the hummers I see around here, except that the vast majority are military hummers moving between the military bases in the area, and I don't flip off military personnel on the job.
Agreed. However, despite my proximity to the base at Miramar I actually see far more civilian owned Hummers. I'd say for every one military I see about 10 that aren't. Semper Fi.
Everything ever taught to you by Jim Bob of Billy Bob's Black Belt Emporium is a lie. Now, tie your obi UNDER the hakama and try again.
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How.... Maradon!.... uughhhhhh:
The "energy shortage" is a complete myth. There simply is no reason to advocate energy conservation. If you're willing to pay for a lot of gas, go right ahead, it won't affect anyone but you in the slightest.
Really?
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Maradon! impressed everyone with:
If you're willing to pay for a lot of gas, go right ahead, it won't affect anyone but you in the slightest.
There's a taco bell joke in there somewhere, Donnie.
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Cleo impressed everyone with:
Really?
He's partly right and mostly wrong. He's right that there is more or less unlimited energy to go about, (Unless you're worried about stuff on an Issac Asimov-like scale, of course,) it's just that there's a limited amount of petroleum to go about. Current rates look like supply to hit a peak production value sometime either this decade or next, (We've possibly already hit it,) and then supply only decreases, while demand continues to increase. Then things like coal liquefication, and thermal depolymerization and stuff like that get looked at with a lot of hungry gazes.
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Azizza stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
YOu can not just walk up to a person and start insulting them. Oh sure you can do it. But it is called harassment. this would fall under the same category. I asked Abe last night what he though about this and if they got continued reports of some idiot flipping off cars and pissing people off then the guy would be picked up.And The constitution does only cover what we can and can not do in regards to the Federal government.
Freedom of speech, freedom of expression; all of that, they're rights. If you want limits to those rights, emigrate to somewhere like Singapore. I hear it's the friendliest police state around.
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Pvednes attempted to be funny by writing:
Freedom of speech, freedom of expression; all of that, they're rights. If you want limits to those rights, emigrate to somewhere like Singapore. I hear it's the friendliest police state around.
I think what he's getting at is that the First Amendment doesn't apply to your freedom of speech vis a vis another person. If you walk up to another person, flip them off, insult them, say scurrilous about their choice of vehicle and parents, don't go crying that your First Amendment rights are being violated when the other guy hauls off and clocks you one. And don't be surprised if maybe the other guy ends up with only a slap on wrist for his troubles, depending on how much you provoked him. Callalron fucked around with this message on 08-30-2004 at 03:17 AM.
