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This one time, at Katrinity camp:
Most likely.
So any argument that this notion of manditory community service for all students would be good for their college applications is pretty much bunk, isn't it?
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JooJooFlop attempted to be funny by writing:
So any argument that this notion of manditory community service for all students would be good for their college applications is pretty much bunk, isn't it?
No. Cause it helps prepare them for other things as well. I was just saying that right now, its a good thing for getting into college. That may change if its made mandatory across the board, but it still wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Katrinity had this to say about Robocop:
No. Cause it helps prepare them for other things as well. I was just saying that right now, its a good thing for getting into college. That may change if its made mandatory across the board, but it still wouldn't be a bad thing.
That's what I mean. If every single high school student in the nation had to participate in manditory community service then listing that service on your college application is pointless since every other applicant would do the same. Essentially you're back to square one as far as college admissions is concerned for community service, since the only service that would count would be the stuff you did independent of the manditory service.
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There was much rejoicing when Taylen said this:
I don't know about the forced community service thing. However, I do like the idea of people being able to serve the country for 2 years in exchange for 4 years of tuition at a public college.
Yes.
I mean c'mon. "Mandatory volunteer" service? I think Senator Kerry was sick from school the day they covered oxymoron in English class.
You(generalized) do two years of community service, and get 4 years of college payed for and stuff... for doing said two years of community service?
But Kerry means planting trees and picking trash up off the side of the road.
It's not something people hear about.
One month of student protests and outcry later, for fear of batshit-crazy response, the district removed the requirement entirely. The people who wouldn't have done comunity service, or would have done a shitty job with it anyway, rejoiced. The people who actually gave enough of a crap to do such service...still did it.
We as a society still enjoy the luxury of free choice, so long as it does not conflict with the law. This includes the choice to be a self-absorbed ass. Even so, you end up with, essentially, three choices: you grow up/get a family/get a job/pay taxes as a way of giving back to the community, you go to jail for not doing so, or you become a homeless bum. The point is, you get to choose: forcing people to volunteer undermines this very prospect, and it doesn't end up benefitting the community all that much based on the fact that, historically, the quality of work put out by an unwilling work force sucks. Further, these are teenagers we're talking about. Being one, I know them well. They're already cynical enough about the state of the nation as it is; forcing them to do something like this would almost certainly taint their opinion of doing such potentially noble things in the future.
And besides, in today's society, wherein saying the word "Draft" within 10 miles of the White House causes a riot, Kerry knows damn well it wouldn't stand a chance. This is just yet another step in his ever-present "get the disenfranchised, disconsolate and apathetic to vote for me by promising things to them that I cannot possibly deliver" campaign. He plied the liberals with Bushhate, and now that he's spoken against gay marriage and is no longer their personal love interest, he's trying to grasp the broad, middle-aged conservative vote by wagging his finger at us goddamned young'uns and our lack of respect.
(why no, I'm not a big fan of the man.)
No one ever does the full hours ever. Saying 40 hours of community service means you want them to do 10 hours of work. You know, it's the American way. 
Once the parents explain that this 'forced volunteer' community service is basically paying them $80-$120,000 or more to go plant trees or talk to old people a few hours a week, no one is going to be complaining, and if they do the parents can tell THEM to pay the friggin tuition themselves. No it's not real community service, no it's not going to make all of them better people, but they won't 'loathe every minute of it' if they're getting a free ride through college. And hey, maybe, just maybe, they'll think, 'hey cool I'm getting a warm and fuzzy feeling inside'.
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From the book of Trent, chapter 3, verse 16:
... I'd want to go back to HS then.
Doing two years community service is well worth four years college paid. It's something. It's continueing education for kids who's parents can't afford to send them, or get all the state/federal/loan aid they'ed need.
Two years? Bullshit.
America is not and should not be a socialist state.
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Elvish Crack Piper wrote this then went back to looking for porn:Two years? Bullshit.
America is not and should not be a socialist state.
You can do 2 years for college tuition money. That is optional, and seperate from the mandatory coummunity service. At least from how I understood it.
Also, from the site:
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3) End the ‘Era of Ashcroft’
John Ashcroft has launched an all-out assault on individual rights, allowing for a wholesale invasion of attorney-client conversations, e-mails and telephone calls. Immediately after the election, John Kerry will name a new Attorney General whose name is not John Ashcroft. We will also fight to protect womenÂ’s rights, civil rights and workers rights and enforce anti-trust laws.
Kickass. [ 03-11-2004: Message edited by: Falaanla Marr ]
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Pirotess:
I hope this isn't implemented because I'm a jealous little SOB. Unless they give me an option to do this for 2 years to pay for my college loans, I say no to the idea. I don't find it cool at all to have to pay for someone else's tuition via my taxes when I didn't have the option when I went through school!Seriously, though. If they do implement this, it needs to be optional, not forced.
Stuff like this happens all the time.
I know that when I was in High School, I got disability checks because of my father. Was like.. $250 a month. Now, there was a time when that would carry over to if you went to college. Before I got to that point, it was taken away and restricted to kids who were in High School. That cash would have come in damn handy when I managed my year in college. I probaly could have saved it up enough to squeek out another year.
But shit happens...
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Sean stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
If it were anyone else proposing this, I would assume "national service" meant military service.
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That would be pointless...The GI bill all ready takes care of that, and I think most states give you free state college Plus the Gi Bill for the Nationl Guard. I been thinking of doing that if i can get into shape.
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From the book of Peter, chapter 3, verse 16:
That would be pointless...The GI bill all ready takes care of that, and I think most states give you free state college Plus the Gi Bill for the Nationl Guard. I been thinking of doing that if i can get into shape.
...really?
Hmmm...how long of a requirement for the National Guard thing? wonder if they'd pay off my loans for that 
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about dark elf butts:
...really?Hmmm...how long of a requirement for the National Guard thing? wonder if they'd pay off my loans for that
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There was much rejoicing when Naimah said this:
I want to know how he plans to pay for all that stuff. Seems like alot of promises considering there is already a deficit.
Revoking the upper-class tax cuts will pay for it.
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There are $127 billion worth of school construction and emergency repair needs nationally
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John Kerry will ensure that all 7 million “latch-key children” have a safe place to go after school
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Kerry will ensure that all chronically disruptive or violence students removed from classrooms will be placed in alternative learning environments, “second-chance schools” where they can receive the intensive help and service they need to excel.
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Kerry will invest in high-quality school leaders by providing $120 million annually for the School Leadership Program to recruit and train principals in every low-performing or high-needs school across the country.
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...two million teachers must be hired over the next decade...
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Kerry’s “National Education Trust Fund” will require an increase in our annual investment in education from its current level of $23.8 billion to about $35 billion by 2008
And that is only in education. For some reason I don't think that the tax cut repeal would be able to cover all of that.
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Naimah had this to say about the Spice Girls:
He is making a whole lot of promises on that page.And that is only in education. For some reason I don't think that the tax cut repeal would be able to cover all of that.
*shrugs* Seems right.
Hell if the teachers got a damn fine raise.. I might renew my persuit to be one.
It's not something people hear about.
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End the 'Era of Ashcroft'
Immediately after the election, John Kerry will name a new Attorney General whose name is not John Ashcroft.
I'd vote for Kerry just for that if I was American.
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Gunslinger Moogle was listening to Cher while typing:
I think most people who are saying this is bad are talking about it as though Kerry's proposal would try to make the kids do something for nothing. I would have no problem with that - while kids don't like being forced to do stuff, they need to get over it anyway to be good members of society. But that's not really the issue. Don't forget, the kids would be getting paid FOUR YEARS' COLLEGE TUITION for it. The way colleges are today, that is an awesome deal.Once the parents explain that this 'forced volunteer' community service is basically paying them $80-$120,000 or more to go plant trees or talk to old people a few hours a week, no one is going to be complaining, and if they do the parents can tell THEM to pay the friggin tuition themselves. No it's not real community service, no it's not going to make all of them better people, but they won't 'loathe every minute of it' if they're getting a free ride through college. And hey, maybe, just maybe, they'll think, 'hey cool I'm getting a warm and fuzzy feeling inside'.
I think you're getting mixed up here. Everyone is for the 2 year service/4 year college. Its the forced community service in HS that doesn't pay you any thing.
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Jens had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
roflI'd vote for Kerry just for that if I was American.
What he said.
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I want to know how he plans to pay for all that stuff. Seems like alot of promises considering there is already a deficit.
Good question. On this topic, how many more bureaucrats will we have to hire to administer a program designed to force kids to volunteer and then possibly pay them tax dollars to do it (and yet still calling it "volunteer work")? Certainly all the bureaucrats and administrators we have hired over the past thirty years with taxpayer funds to help education (instead of, I don't know, using the money to buy inner city kids BOOKS and other crazy things) have revolutionized the American education system into what it is today! [ 03-12-2004: Message edited by: Gydyon ]
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Verily, Jens doth proclaim:
roflI'd vote for Kerry just for that if I was American.
Yeah, that has me heavily leaning towards Kerry now. Getting rid of Ashcroft would be a GOOD THING.
My high school (and I think most of california, the edict might be by county though) required 40 hours of community service to graduate. that 40 hours was spread out over the last two years of high school, and could be anything you wanted within reason (mine was working for the local film festival, and eventually turned into an internship). Yeah, some kids griped, but everyone did it, and for most people it turned out to be a good thing.
anyone who did above and beyond that was honored at thier graduation and was eligible for a scholarship.
Honestly, I think Kerry is taking a page from this kind of program. Seriously, guys, its a campaign stand! the details havent been worked out yet, obviously, and its quite possible that it will be made a national graduation requirement, not something you are "forced" do to every single day for two years.
God forbid the fact that many of americas high-schoolers are lazy computer and couch potatoes living off of thier parents money, with no thought for the rest of the world. God forbid that maybe working out in the community would provide some insight into many otherwise shallow lives.
and if the reward is 4 YEARS of college tuition? I dont know how many EC'ers are far along in thier lives to really understand that, but that's insane.
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Jete D'Paintedtoes had this to say about Reading Rainbow:and if the reward is 4 YEARS of college tuition? I dont know how many EC'ers are far along in thier lives to really understand that, but that's insane.
Shit, if I had the chance, I'd do a couple hours a day for hte last 2 years of my high school for this. It'd be SO worth it. tuition is crazy 
Remember, Congress has the power to make or break legislation. The president is only there to sign and enforce the bills.
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Nobody really understood why Jete D'Paintedtoes wrote:
and if the reward is 4 YEARS of college tuition? I dont know how many EC'ers are far along in thier lives to really understand that, but that's insane.
Bloody hell, I wish I'D have had that chance...
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Jens probably says this to all the girls:
roflI'd vote for Kerry just for that if I was American.
Yeah because we were much better off with someone like Reno in office where we had the ATF and FBI killing US citizens who were found to have broken no laws or were entraped.
If people wonder why I hate Democrats so much I always point them to Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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Alaan had this to say about John Romero:
I think you're getting mixed up here. Everyone is for the 2 year service/4 year college. Its the forced community service in HS that doesn't pay you any thing.
In that case I guess my post was directed at, uh, Azizza.
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