yes Parce, I say that simply to annoy you...
No, Really. Bite me.
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Nobody really understood why Burger wrote:
raised catholic, curently am agnostic with a little bit of a catholic slant. Not believing in jesus and all, but the rest of the framework for the religion seems pretty kosher to me...
Burger...kosher...sure you aren't Jewish?
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Puggy the Squirrel thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
i used to be catholic. Yes they do. I went to mass, praised christ, sang songs about him and drank his blood and ate his flesh.
Sarcasm is your friend.
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Sakkra had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Sarcasm is your friend.
sarcasm would be that my former catholic church had a 32 year old man slain every sunday then drank his blood and ground his bones to make our bread.
No sarcasm in my posts.
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Oh, wait. Paganism.
Damn! I named it!
Shame on me.
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OtakuPenguin said this about your mom:
A, with a very strong intrest in further Theology, such as Aquinas.
Aquinas is real good stuff. I would highly recommend him.
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Gydfather stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
So very B. Or at least trying.
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Mortious had this to say about Knight Rider:
The best part of church. Free food and drink!
Someday, I'm gonna go to church for that. Then, when the priest holds out the wafer, I'm gonna snatch it out of his hand, pull out a can of spray cheese, and add some flavor to the body of Christ.
Jeze Whiz!
I HAVE read every volume of Aquinas, and am currently working on some other philosophy stuff.
I am good friends with our priest and discuss with him regularly. I'm that kid with all the questions.
With me and religion (especially the Catholic faith) I'm always, "Why, Why, Why" and I've found answers for just about all of it.
Personally digging into theology and philosophy is much more fullfilling to me than attending mass every single week.
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A sleep deprived Puggy the Squirrel stammered:
sarcasm would be that my former catholic church had a 32 year old man slain every sunday then drank his blood and ground his bones to make our bread.No sarcasm in my posts.
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I believe that Sakkra was saying that the following quote:
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Sakkra had this to say about Captain Planet:
No, Catholics do not revere or pay homage to Christ in any way...
was sarcasm. Not anything you said. [ 06-10-2003: Message edited by: Kegwen ]
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Not Trent had this to say about Pirotess:
I have no religion, just tasted a lot. Hate them all. Even Wiccan/Pagan.
And we hate you too!
kidding! 
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Verily, Kegwen doth proclaim:
was sarcasm. Not anything you said.
oh. my bad.
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OtakuPenguin thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
I kinda worded that wrong.I HAVE read every volume of Aquinas, and am currently working on some other philosophy stuff.
Augustine. St. Thomas More. Francis.
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I go to Church every Sunday and am actively involved in my church's youth group.
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Kegwen attempted to be funny by writing:
was sarcasm. Not anything you said.
Why do people often confuse sarcasm and irony?
If I recall correctly, Parce is catholic and he does work at his church.
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Azymyth spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I'm still unclear what exactly is the difference between Catholism and Christianity...
Catholicism is a faith with a set of traditions, rules etc. Christianity is a group of faiths that all worship Jesus but in different ways(Orthodox chuches, Protestant Churches, etc) .
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Azymyth had this to say about Knight Rider:
I'm still unclear what exactly is the difference between Catholism and Christianity...
*cracks his knuckles and gets to typing*
At their core, the teachings of Roman Catholicism (which is what I assume Parce is referring to -- there are other "catholic" churches, which is funny since "catholic" means "universal" and thus there should be only one) and Christianity (which I presume Parce lists to mean Protestantism, which covers most Christian denominations other than Greek Orthodox and Roman Catholic)are generally the same (I won't discuss anything but the core beliefs taught by the church leaders -- I understand that many people don't actually believe what their demonination does). They believe that Christ was God, they believe in the Trinity, which is a god one in essence but made up of three persons, Fatherm Son, and Spirit, they believe that Christ died to pay the price for man's sin, and they believe that Jesus' death paves the way to salvation.
From there, though, things get wonky. Catholics and Protestants have become very different over the 500 or so years since they split (the church split between Catholic and Orthodox in the 1200s, and again when Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation in the 1500s).
I was raised Catholic and went to a Catholic law school. I have been a Protestant for over ten years, however. So I have a background in both (actually I am "covered" salvation-wise under several major religions....)
Some of the basics:
Catholicism:
-- holds that the teachings of Peter take precedence over any other teaching (a relatively minor point, as the teachings are in my view noncontradictory, but it is set up to verify the Pope's claim to supremacy).
-- holds to a doctrine of infused righteousness, which may be too complicated to explain.
-- continues the doctrine of confession from an old Judaic custom of whispering sins into the ear of the scapegoat which was sacrificed annually.
-- through confession, imbues priests alone with the power to absolve sin (which is dispensing forgiveness from God -- no matter what people say, the priests are not really forgiving sin but acknowledging your repentance in the eytes of God).
-- priests, unless converted from Episcopalian (a narrow exception), may not marry or enagage in sexual intercourse....ever. No sex for nuns either.
-- Catholics believe at least in part that it is one's works (good acts done while alive) that earn them their salvation. This is certianyl taught by priests, although official Catholic doctrine does not really say this.
-- Until 1968, they taught that all Protestants were following a false religion because they weren't Catholic.
-- Until 1968, all services were in Latin only.
-- Catholicism generally relates back to tradition and ritual. Every part of a mass has symbolic meaning, and according to Catholic teachings Communion is actually transformed into the literal body and blood of Christ. Catholicsim believes that the Christian faith is a three legged stool: Scripture, Revelation, and the traditions of the Church
-- place an increased emphasis on Mary, including canonizing in the 1800's the idea that Mary was also sinless (and never slept with her husband, reading Scriptural references to Jesus' brother and sisters as "cousins"), and ascended bodily into heaven.
Protestantism:
-- holds to a doctrine of imputed righteousness rather than infused.
-- discontinues the doctrine of confession, noting that God alone forgives sin and that people don't need an intermediary to acknowledge that forgiveness.
-- ministers may marry and are in fact encouraged to do so.
-- believes that a person is "saved" by grace through faith that Jesus is who He said He was, and that he died as a sacrifice for sin.
-- Some Protestants believe Catholics follow a false religion because they believe in salvation through good works, rather than by God's grace through faith.
-- The "tradition question" is a tough one for Protestants. Some believe in tradition, such as Lutherans who also hold to the idea that the bread and wine become the body and the blood of Christ. Others are much less traditional (as is my church) -- all, however, hold to the idea of "sola sciriptura," which notes that Scripture should guide our actions, and only traditions that are consistent with Scripture should be followed.
-- place no emphasis on Mary, and believe that although being a woman of faith, was otherwise a regular person who was married and had kids (after Jesus' virgin birth), including James and Jude, who both have books in the Bible.
That's not nearly an exhaustive list, but it might give you a flavor. I may be wording some items imprecisely, so please don't turn this into a flamerwar....
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Gydfather stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
*cracks his knuckles and gets to typing*
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-- The "tradition question" is a tough one for Protestants. Some believe in tradition, such as Lutherans who also hold to the idea that the bread and wine become the body and the blood of Christ. Others are much less traditional (as is my church) -- all, however, hold to the idea of "sola sciriptura," which notes that Scripture should guide our actions, and only traditions that are consistent with Scripture should be followed.
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Maybe I am reading this wrong, But Lutheran communion, we hold that the wafer/bread and the wine are symbolicly Christ's flesh and blood, but they are still in reality a wafer/bread and wine- No transubsantion.
