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Dr. Pvednes, PhD thought about the meaning of life:
Palador.. Why would ANY ordinary Joe Blow need tear gas?
Honestly? I'm having a hard time thinking up a reason.
The reason I mentioned it was because (a) it was a good contrast with explosives, and (b) because it falls within what I would consider "reasonable ranges of leathality". It feels kind of silly to say that I will trust people with a semi automatic rifle, but not with tear gas.
Besides, knives are so much sexier than a big hunk of metal 
Otherwise, rich guys would buy designer knives intstead of Corvettes and Vipers. [ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: Karnaj ]
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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There was much rejoicing when Suchii said this:
Who the heck needs a long rifle for home defense anyways? In a close quarters fight, between a guy with a knife and a guy with a three foot rifle... the knife guy will come out on top almost every time
If you try to shoot them with it, yah.
If someone comes after me with a knife, I have no problems with beating them to death with the first thing at hand, even if it is a gun.
Seriously though, rifles are less than ideal for self defence. Shotguns might be a bit better, but not much. Handguns are best.
Rifles are for hunting.
I have a big penis AND like big guns.
ain't nothing puts a man down better than being turned into 100 pounds of manburger.
(Sorry.)
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Koosh Man had this to say about Captain Planet:
actually, for home defense, a shotgun is much better than a handgun
But if your using shot? I'm not talking slugs, the spread at a distance could damage or hurt someone other than your intended target.
Tear gas, like the gun, has no use other than as a weapon.
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How.... Koosh Man.... uughhhhhh:
Sure, but in your own home there aren't that many huge distances for your shot to disperse over.
True, but in my home I know there are quite a few places. A handgun is better in my opinion (if you can shoot fairly well).
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Dr. Pvednes, PhD impressed everyone with:
Though, explosives aren't always weapons. There are things like fireworks, and also explosives are used in mining operations and some demolitions.Tear gas, like the gun, has no use other than as a weapon.
Could use it as a pesticide to exterminate nests of bees, wasps, or whatnot.
Shotguns have a greater likelyhood of putting someone down than a handgun, though. granted, with good aim, you can put someone down with one shot from a handgun, too. it's all about training. Even though I train with my handguns all the time, I still would use a shotgun over a pistol every time if it came to home defense. [ 11-03-2002: Message edited by: Koosh Man ]
I was simply showing you an alternate use. 
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Dr. Pvednes, PhD said this about your mom:
Though, explosives aren't always weapons. There are things like fireworks, and also explosives are used in mining operations and some demolitions.Tear gas, like the gun, has no use other than as a weapon.
By explosives, I was talking about gernades, bombs, and such. Things intended to kill people. Makeshift, misused, or homemade explosives will allways be a hazard, much as illegal guns will allways be. If someone wants it bad enough, they will find a way.
Stunguns are only intended to be used as weapons as well. Teargas, like a stungun, isn't supposed to kill. Also, I just used teargas as an example, anything else that might be area of effect and non-leathal would do.
P.S.: And now, I'm off to bed, so don't wait up for any more answers from me. It's past my bedtime. 
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Koosh Man's account was hax0red to write:
Even though I train with my handguns all the time, I still would use a shotgun over a pistol every time if it came to home defense.
It's all just a matter of style
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Palador ChibiDragon's account was hax0red to write:
By explosives, I was talking about gernades, bombs, and such. Things intended to kill people. Makeshift, misused, or homemade explosives will allways be a hazard, much as illegal guns will allways be. If someone wants it bad enough, they will find a way.Stunguns are only intended to be used as weapons as well. Teargas, like a stungun, isn't supposed to kill. Also, I just used teargas as an example, anything else that might be area of effect and non-leathal would do.
P.S.: And now, I'm off to bed, so don't wait up for any more answers from me. It's past my bedtime.
*nods* I wasn't really making a point for or against there. But I concede your point.
Shot will generally not penetrate walls with lethal force left. A bullet will.
It takes little skill to hit a target with a shotgun. It takes both training and the ability to remain calm under intense pressure to hit the broad side of a barn with a handgun in a combat situation.
Shotguns are good for home defense simply because anyone can use one well in such a situation.
For those of us with the know-how, though, a handgun is a more precise, lethal option. And to counteract the potential for shooting through walls, I used Glazer cartridges in my 9mm--plastic bullets filled with shot won't shoot through walls, and have the added benefit of delivering all of the kinetic energy to the target, rather than going through the bad guy and dissipating the energy on the wall behind.
And large caliber handguns are uniquely unsuitable in close-combat situations. a .45 is about the biggest anyone should use, and then only if they practice extensively. Recoil on larger weapons will negate any chance of getting a second shot on target.
And the vast majority of first shots miss in real-life situations.
The US did a field test of the .44 magnum in Vietnam, and found it totally unsuitable for use in combat. Sure, the first shot is devastating if you can get it on target, but a close-range firefight was generally over before it could be brought to bear for further shots.
9mm is a good all-around size for self-defense. Anything smaller and you need to be well trained to do enough damage; anything larger and you need to be well trained to deal with the recoil effectively and remain accurate.
That's not to say no training is required, however. No one should ever own a firearm if they aren't willing to be trained in its use, care, and safety.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Drysart said:
Woah!!! More plz!
It's an action figure. 
Damn, they've really improved on the barbies...
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And the vast majority of first shots miss in real-life situations.
This is why I would recommend a shotgun to anyone looking for a home defense tool. The law of averages helps out quite a bit with shotguns.
And .45 isn't TOO bad, if one is willing to put in the time to learn how to control it. I've been shooting .45s and 9s for close to 10 years now, and it's gotten to the point where neither of them have enough recoil to bother me.
My first pistol was a .357 mag, though. That probably wasn't the brightest idea on my part.
My choice, also, for a combat weapon would be either the 9mm or .45. The .45 is great for unarmored opponents, but the 9mm has the penetration to take out someone wearing equipment--which is one reason why the military went to it, besides standardization with NATO.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
The M9 is probably the best choice for a sidearm the military could make at this point (at least as long as they fixed the issue with the slide cracking.)
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From the book of Dr. Pvednes, PhD, chapter 3, verse 16:
Australia. And check your sources, because you're full of shit.
Oh so there isn't a Camera on basicly every street corner in london? People are free as they are in America? I dont' think so.
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Azizza thought about the meaning of life:
Oh so there isn't a Camera on basicly every street corner in london? People are free as they are in America? I dont' think so.
I believe he is referring to Australia.
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This one time, at Vorbo Goatboy camp:
I believe he is referring to Australia.
Ahh Yeah I should have seperated them in my statement.
the Brits are watched. The austrailians are just losing all their freedom.. Oh well what do you expect from a Prison Colony
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This one time, at Azizza camp:
Ahh Yeah I should have seperated them in my statement.
the Brits are watched. The austrailians are just losing all their freedom.. Oh well what do you expect from a Prison Colony
Australians. And I assure you we're not.
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Azizza had this to say about John Romero:
Ahh Yeah I should have seperated them in my statement.
the Brits are watched. The austrailians are just losing all their freedom.. Oh well what do you expect from a Prison Colony
Careful digging like that.. You may hit China.
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Karnaj had this to say about dark elf butts:
But knives don't compensate for small penii like a big hunk of metal does!
Hey ladies, I'm speaking out FOR gun control!
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Everyone wondered WTF when Comrade Snoota wrote:
Who brought Georgia into this?
Georgia was more 'Hey, if the spaniards get mad they have someone to kill'
Just a Debtors prison, not a bad person prison
