2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).
10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
12. The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1787, refers to the National Guard, which was created 130 years later, in 1917.
13. The National Guard, federally funded, with bases on federal land, using federally-owned weapons, vehicles, buildings and uniforms, punishing trespassers under federal law, is a "state" militia.
14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.
15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.
18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
19. The NRA's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign about kids handling guns is propaganda, but the anti-gun lobby's attempt to run a "don't touch" campaign is responsible social activity.
20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
26. Any self-loading small arm can legitimately be considered to be a "weapon of mass destruction" or an "assault weapon."
27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
28. The right of Internet pornographers to exist cannot be questioned because it is constitutionally protected by the Bill of Rights, but the use of handguns for self defense is not really protected by the Bill of Rights.
29. Free speech entitles one to own newspapers, transmitters, computers, and typewriters, but self-defense only justifies bare hands.
30. The ACLU is good because it uncompromisingly defends certain parts of the Constitution, and the NRA is bad, because it defends other parts of the Constitution.
31. Charlton Heston, a movie actor as president of the NRA is a cheap lunatic who should be ignored, but Michael Douglas, a movie actor as a representative of Handgun Control, Inc. is an ambassador for peace who is entitled to an audience at the UN arms control summit.
32. Police operate with backup within groups, which is why they need larger capacity pistol magazines than do "civilians" who must face criminals alone and therefore need less ammunition.
33. We should ban "Saturday Night Specials" and other inexpensive guns because it's not fair that poor people have access to guns too.
34. Police officers, who qualify with their weapons once a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
39. Trigger locks do not interfere with the ability to use a gun for defensive purposes, which is why you see police officers with one on their duty weapon.
40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
Sarcasm disclaimer in case some of you couldn't tell. [ 10-30-2002: Message edited by: Koosh Man ]
alot of gangbangers dont goto Dicks Sporting goods to get thier weapons.
besides a knife or a brick works just the same.
Gun control is stupid it only slows down people that use guns for sport and recreation.
I may be wrong but who gives a fuck
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Fiver.
You're fiving your own thread?
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj was naked while typing this:
You're fiving your own thread?
I'll fiver you!
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent D said:
I'll fiver you!
CRAP.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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That's it, it's fiverdown time.
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A sleep deprived /dev/null stammered:
Gun Control Means Hitting Your Target.
Hell Yeah!!!
Grrr, rwar rwar.
Think of this: If gun ownership led to less violent crime, why is it that last year Canada had about 200 killings through gun usage, while 10,096 people were murdered by guns in the United States.
The average number of minors being killed by guns averages to 10 a day in America alone.
In 1996, handguns were used to murder 2 people in New Zealand, 15 in Japan, 30 in Great Britain, 106 in Canada, 211 in Germany, and 9,390 in the United States.
Yep, we should all carry guns! Look at how much peace and prosperity they give us! It's a society where anyone can shoot anyone else because it's their constitional right! I'm not saying guns themselves do the killing mind you, but today's media has dragged us to the point where horrible violence can be seen every weeknight on public television.
The media's turned violence into a drug, one that we need more of in stronger amounts to enjoy. To keep up with violent things happening on the channel next door, news stations had to review more killings/rape/violence in greater detail to hold audiences. Last year alone, gun violence as a whole dropped 20%, but the media coverage of total violence involving guns shot up by over 600% the previous year's amount!
All that violence is what's starting to get to kids, and it's showing up right on time with the columbine shootings.
Back in the early 1970's, people in Africa had very little in the ways of television broadcasting. When it became commonly available to most families, scientists waited to see if crime would increase. Sure enough about 15 years after television was introduced on a massive scale, crime more than tripled and has been going up ever since.
All I can think about now is Charlton Heston's opening speech: "FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!" Refering to a rifle he was holding up. he gave that opening twice, once a month after the columbine shootings, and once after a 6 year old killed another 6 year old with a gun he found out on the street.
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Rodent King said this about your mom:
So you're saying that a high gun ownership leads to safer streets?
Not high. Not low.
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A sleep deprived Koosh Man stammered:
35. Private citizens don't need a gun for self-protection because the police are there to protect them even though the Supreme Court says the police are not responsible for their protection.
And let's face it, the only way you're going to get the cops to your place quickly these days is to call Domino's, order a pizza, and promise the delivery guy a fat tip to sideswipe a cop car on the way to your house.
Ferrel!
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The logic train ran off the tracks when JooJooFlop said:
If they strapped Fippy with high explosives maybe his contant rushes into Qeynos would mean something other than humor value for when he makes it to the South Qeynos zoneline.
If always wanted to get a bunch of monks together and feign-whore fippy throughout qeynos 
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Ferrel impressed everyone with:
Gnolls need guns to take over Qeynos!
Shit... they need *SOMETHING*... god knows the Zergling, er I mean Fippy charges ain't doin shit
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Ferrel was all like:
Gnolls need guns to take over Qeynos!
I wanna see an Uber Shaman and 'Chanter go to the Plane of Sky, and get that MegaUber No-Rent Sword that drops there.
Then, I wanna see them charm Fippy, buff the hell outa him (including a couple of Grow spells), and give him that sword.
Then, they leave and Fippy continues his quest to invade Qeynos.
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A sleep deprived Rodent King stammered:
Think of this: If gun ownership led to less violent crime, why is it that last year Canada had about 200 killings through gun usage, while 10,096 people were murdered by guns in the United States.
that argument makes no sense. canada has about 1/9589325095235 the population of the united states. of course there are going to be fewer murders. there are fewer people.
besides, what the hell does that have to do with "everybody having guns"? [ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: hard technology rock ]
Guns may make it easier to kill people, but they also make it easier to defend yourself against someone trying to kill you. Normally, I would expect it to balance out. However, laws that keep guns away from honest people leave guns in the hands of criminals. The balance is broken, and guns do more harm than good.
I believe people should be able to own guns, and carry them. However, I think that they should have to regester them, and pass a basic safety test. (That's so that they don't shoot themselves because they don't know what they're doing, and to make them easier to track if stolen.) [ 10-31-2002: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]
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1. Banning guns works, which is why New York, DC, & Chicago cops need guns.
Unfair comparison seeing as how this is naming places of only high concentrations of population, as opposed to rural and more country oriented living conditions.
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2. Washington DC's low murder rate of 69 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Indianapolis' high murder rate of 9 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.
Again, unfair comparison when considered the rate of population living in poverty conditions with a higher concentration of people in the same environment vs lower confined population.
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3. Statistics showing high murder rates justify gun control but statistics showing increasing murder rates after gun control are "just statistics."
Interpretive statement.
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4. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Ban, both of which went into effect in 1994 are responsible for the decrease in violent crime rates, which have been declining since 1991.
Again, interpretive statement on facts after the matter.
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5. We must get rid of guns because a deranged lunatic may go on a shooting spree at any time and anyone who would own a gun out of fear of such a lunatic is paranoid.
The lunatic had legal/illegal access to the guns in the first place, which forms the paranoia.
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6. The more helpless you are the safer you are from criminals.
Emotional conundrum, and biased statement.
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7. An intruder will be incapacitated by tear gas or oven spray, but if shot with a .357 Magnum will get angry and kill you.
Illogical argument based on assuming the facts of a situation. Leading a response.
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8. A woman raped and strangled is morally superior to a woman with a smoking gun and a dead rapist at her feet.
Implied moral responcibility, propogatist statement, illogical reasoning.
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9. When confronted by violent criminals, you should "put up no defense -- give them what they want, or run" (Handgun Control Inc. Chairman Pete Shields, Guns Don't Die - People Do, 1981, p.125).
Live to fight another day, path of least resistance to setting off an unstable individual. Your reaction time versus the individual, who would win? Countless scenarios leading to an assumed outcome. Stress under pressure increases human error.
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10. The New England Journal of Medicine is filled with expert advice about guns; just like Guns & Ammo has some excellent treatises on heart surgery.
Medical terminology over a based medium for lobbyist campaigns. Paid advertisements provided by. Capitalist country.
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11. One should consult an automotive engineer for safer seatbelts, a civil engineer for a better bridge, a surgeon for internal medicine, a computer programmer for hard drive problems, and Sarah Brady for firearms expertise.
Illogical leading of marterial, propogatist statements.
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15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
When created, was part of a different area with different concerns and applications. Moot point as groundwork remains intact as interpretation is needed to maintain growth and stability.
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16. Rifles and handguns aren't necessary to national defense! Of course, the army has hundreds of thousands of them.
Specialized parties versus the public, who by comparison are primarily untrained and lacking the proper mindset to be considered, on the whole, responcible. Information taken out of context and applied to prove a point.
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17. Private citizens shouldn't have handguns, because they aren't "military weapons", but private citizens shouldn't have "assault rifles", because they are military weapons.
Information taken out of context to prove a biased point of view. Also applies as typically the public will not have the same training, experience, or mindset of military personel. Stress under pressure promotes human error.
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18. In spite of waiting periods, background checks, finger printing, government forms, etc., guns today are too readily available, which is responsible for recent school shootings. In the 1940's, 1950's and1960's, anyone could buy guns at hardware stores, army surplus stores, gas stations, variety stores, Sears mail order, no waiting, no background check, no fingerprints, no government forms and there were no school shootings.
Unfair comparison as this refers to a period where society and moral standards were entirely different. Overall most that applied in 1950 is irrelevant to modern society, as the structures are completely different
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20. Guns are so complex that special training is necessary to use them properly, and so simple to use that they make murder easy.
Yes.
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21. A handgun, with up to 4 controls, is far too complex for the typical adult to learn to use, as opposed to an automobile that only has 20.
How many times does the typical adult use up to 20 controls in a vehicle that require constance attention, concidering manning the radio does not count as a operative function. Also it takes years, and practice as well, to attain good driving control. Although a person may be a decent driver, different situations demand different responces, and the experience required takes time. Also driving is a required function in most cases and the enphasis is placed on it so that the adult becomes a functional individual in its operation, this is not the case with gun operation, and most fail to take the time and practice required to become good at it. This is of course another reason to enforcing handgun training on new gun buyers. Just like getting a drivers licence.
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22. Women are just as intelligent and capable as men but a woman with a gun is "an accident waiting to happen" and gun makers' advertisements aimed at women are "preying on their fears."
Sexist and outdated assumptions, also concidering the best armed individual in american history, was a woman.
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23. Ordinary people in the presence of guns turn into slaughtering butchers but revert to normal when the weapon is removed.
Removing the relevance of the initial point. And also supports the background check and criminal investigative operations of handgun control. As those known with issues are discovered and denied a legal purchase.
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24. Guns cause violence, which is why there are so many mass killings at gun shows.
Specific events targeting a small crosssection, and irrelevant to a logical step one way or the other.
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25. A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.
Emotional conundrum and biased statement linking two irrelevant facts in order to spark a conclusive opinion.
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27. Most people can't be trusted, so we should have laws against guns, which most people will abide by because they can be trusted.
Attacking an unrelated point in order to support the previous opinion.
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34. Police officers, who qualify with their weapons once a year, have some special Jedi-like mastery over hand guns that private citizens can never hope to obtain.
Constant honing of skills, and reassertion of ability with arms. Also resinstatement of the mindset and job skills required.
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36. Citizens don't need to carry a gun for personal protection but police chiefs, who are desk-bound administrators who work in a building filled with cops, need a gun.
One does not just become a chief without actually gaining in the ranks first, and it then becomes a part of initial dress uniform. Also chiefs, on occasion, and without notice are required to enter the field as an armed official. This is an unfounded statement, meant to twist locical reasoning to support a biased opinion.
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37. "Assault weapons" have no purpose other than to kill large numbers of people. The police need assault weapons. You do not.
Yes
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38. When Microsoft pressures its distributors to give Microsoft preferential promotion, that's bad; but when the Federal government pressures cities to buy guns only from Smith & Wesson, that's good.
Irrelevant information tieing two specifics to promote a biased opinion.
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40. Handgun Control, Inc. says they want to "keep guns out of the wrong hands." Guess what? You have the wrong hands.
Oppinionated statement.
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Loyalist Gerard was listening to Cher while typing:
Oh yeah? D HAS PRETTY EYES! EVERYONE LOOK!
Dude, when you do that....link to the thread.
Thanks.
Thinking about your posts
(and billing you for it) since 2001
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14. These phrases: "right of the people peaceably to assemble," "right of the people to be secure in their homes," "enumerations herein of certain rights shall not be construed to disparage others retained by the people," and "The powers not delegated herein are reserved to the states respectively, and to the people" all refer to individuals, but "the right of the people to keep and bear arm" refers to the state.15. "The Constitution is strong and will never change." But we should ban and seize all guns thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th Amendments to that Constitution.
I only needed these two to agree with D/Koosh Man's opinion on gun control
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Khyron spewed forth this undeniable truth:
IMO...I only needed these two to agree with D/Koosh Man's opinion on gun control
Based off a time when the biggest threat to the american public was native attacks, and wild animal deaths, or the possibility of an overseas invasion.
Also from a time where the American population numbered in the thousands, barely millions, as compared to modern day America. Many alterations have been nessesary over the years, which comprises most of the amendments.
It's not 1776 anymore.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Faelynn LeAndris was all like:
Based off a time when the biggest threat to the american public was native attacks, and wild animal deaths, or the possibility of an overseas invasion.Also from a time where the American population numbered in the thousands, barely millions, as compared to modern day America. Many alterations have been nessesary over the years, which comprises most of the amendments.
It's not 1776 anymore.
So... am I correct in assuming that you feel like the next alteration should be removing "the right of the people to keep and bear arms" from the constitution?
1: Your average gun owner goes to the range at least once a month. Police go one or twice a year. Trust me. Police have much less training thank most CCW carriers.
2: More children die in Swimming pools than do by gunshots every year.
3: More people die from Doctors screwing up than do by gunshots every year.
4: The Statistics that show how many people die from gunshots every year includes not only innocent people, but criminals shot by police and other criminals, not to mention accidental shootings by police, suicides, etc. That 8000 or so takes on a very different picture when you break it down doesn't it.
5: The whole gun control idea is based on the idea that the federal goverment can control interstate comerce. this is the ONLY way they were able to do any gun control in the first place. This fact is often overlooked now adays.
The 2nd Amendment can not be broken. Just like the 1st, 3rd, 4th, etc can not be.
Finally I thinkyou missed the Point that this is making fun of things the Gun control Movement say. Reading thier site makes me want to laugh and cry. THey almost always make fools of themselves and fankly the only people I have ever met that trully support gun control were either Idiots, or didn't actually study the topic. And no reading HCI's website is not studying.
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ACES! Another post by Faelynn LeAndris:
Based off a time when the biggest threat to the american public was native attacks, and wild animal deaths, or the possibility of an overseas invasion.Also from a time where the American population numbered in the thousands, barely millions, as compared to modern day America. Many alterations have been nessesary over the years, which comprises most of the amendments.
It's not 1776 anymore.
To apply this lack of logic you would also have to say the same thing for all the rest of the Constitution. Do you really think they just happened to write the 2nd ammendment for thier time and not for future use.
I guess the 1st amandment was only for when the British were a threat. How about the 4th? The 5th?
WHy don't we just do away with the constitution completely and Name Bill CLinton our King. After all he was the one who seemed to enjoy having American people killed by American Law enforcement.
Now in your little world you give them your money and beg them not to hurt you.
When it happened to me, I pulled my weapon and told them to not get any closer.
They ran off and I lived.
two days later they caught both guys along with a 3rd person. Guess what? The people that had turned over thier money were beaten anyway and one woman was almost raped by them. But I am sure in your opinion that this is better than defending yourself.
Another situation.
You are woken in the middle of the night by a sound. You arn't sure what it was but you know something isn't right. So you get up and go to look outside your bedroom. You see fully grown form outside your childrens bedroom. They are trying to open the door which for some reason seems blocked from the other side. You see another man sized form come up to the top of the steps. This one has a knife that looks like it came from your kitchen.
In your situation you call 911 and pray they get there fast enough. even though you live a good bit away from the nearest police station and it could be 15 minutes at least.
WHen it happened to my Ex she grabbed her phone called 911 then she got her .357 revolver and burst into the hallway. She told the men to leave and when one came at her she shot the SoB. He was hit in the shoulder and went down. Dropping the other Knife that she had not seen. The second guy ran and was caught 3 hours later when he tried to steal another car.
So tell me. Which solution is better? Yours where people can't defend themselves? or mine where people have the option to protect themselves.
Even the worse of the Gun control groups is forced to admit that there are over 200,000 defenseive uses of a gun each year. In many of these the gun is never fired and it is not even reported much of the time. SOme estumated put the number as high as 600,000-700,000.
I refese to be a sheep.
