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Lyinar Ka`Bael got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
And I'm getting sick of that fucking picture, you asshole. Drysart has already reminded you all I'm free to express an opinion in a debate, as I'm doing. Technically, you're hatemongering and harrassing, and I'd love to see Drysart blacklist your ass for continuing it.
So you feel thier attitude isn't justified then?
.Who'd've thought guys are so clingy...
If they want to troll and post idiotic pictures, then no, I don't agree it's justified. It's immature and petty and I'm getting fucking sick of it.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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nem-x wrote this stupid crap:
I hate recruiters more than telemarketers. Talk about some persistent bastards. You don't want to hang up on them because they'll raid your house if you do.
Yeah.. And they can't accept, for some reason, "No, I don't want to." for an answer.
1) Open photoshop, open a new file.
2) Take a shot of tequila.
3) Carefully start transcribing with the smallest pen tool at maximum magnification, this has to be perfect!
4) Take another shot of tequila.
5) Uhoh, getting kind of blurry there, better move closer to the monitor.
6) Take another shot of tequila. Wish you had pretzels.
7) Gosh thiz mose is feissty. *hic*
8) Whar my likka? *Take another shot*
9) Continue trying to draw. Better use a bigger paint tool so you can see!
10) *hic*
11) YOU stuupd ho, AH TOLJA not to *hic* urk
12) Pass out on your keyboard.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about (_|_):
If they want to disagree in a civil, mature manner, then I'll agree it's justified.If they want to troll and post idiotic pictures, then no, I don't agree it's justified. It's immature and petty and I'm getting fucking sick of it.
Eh, your rampant cursing and referring to a poster's idiocy throughout your mature and civil debate doesn't help your case, y'know....
But, then again, what would I know...
I will be the first to admit that I complain a lot about stupid people. Well, that's part of my job. Dealing with them. I don't like it, but I do it, because it's what I'm expected to do. It's part of the job requirements and I agreed to that. I complain, but I don't refuse service for anyone just because they're dumber than the seat I'm sitting in.
If telemarketers aren't afforded the same privledges I have, then perhaps they should seek another job. Because that's part of their job, and if they don't like it, the door is always open.
They can, of course, complain all they want about people like me. I highly encourage it. I'm a bastard, through and through 
Honestly, Lyinar, I think they should take my abuse. Why? They called me.
If I called them, and started bitching them out, I would EXPECT them to hang up on me.
But if you call me, and you don't like what I say, tough cookies, don't fucking call me next time and I won't be a bastard on the phone. Easy as that. [ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
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Lashanna had this to say about Duck Tales:
Telemarketers are nothing next to ex-boyfriends,.
Who'd've thought guys are so clingy...
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Skaw had this to say about Cuba:
Yeah.. And they can't accept, for some reason, "No, I don't want to." for an answer.
I just thought that we, as inbound customer service reps, should feel some empathy toward our outbound siblings and try to make things a little easier on them, because we know how it feels.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lashanna painfully thought these words up:
WIT
I do NOT however, follow people around in threads and insult practically everything they say, nor hound them repeatedly because they choose to express their view on something.
Giantt does. Giantt is a troll. Giantt seriously deserves a blacklisting, if not a ban.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Skaw obviously shouldn't have said:
WIT
WUT
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Lyinar Ka`Bael was listening to Cher while typing:
Khy, I'm protected against abuse, too. I know I've mentioned that before in other threads. I just don't agree with it being okay to abuse telemarketers like that, though. I know what it feels like to have someone call and abuse me, and I don't want to inflict that on someone else, for whatever reason, because I've been in their shoes on the "dealing with people" issue.I just thought that we, as inbound customer service reps, should feel some empathy toward our outbound siblings and try to make things a little easier on them, because we know how it feels.
Customer Service and Customer Recruiting are different things.
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Knight Rider:
Yes, Lash, I did lose my temper a couple of times and I apologize for that.I do NOT however, follow people around in threads and insult practically everything they say, nor hound them repeatedly because they choose to express their view on something.
Giantt does. Giantt is a troll. Giantt seriously deserves a blacklisting, if not a ban.
You essentially do the same thing. Only you don't follow others around and you cover yours up by calling it debating.
But that's just my opinion.
Besides, whatever happened to "If you don't like it, don't read it", hmmm?
But hey, you could get a mod to blacklist me, I guess. It wouldn't be that hard, I guess I've been balancing on the line lately. [ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Giantt ]
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Lashanna impressed everyone with:
WUT
wit1
n. The natural ability to perceive and understand; intelligence.
Keenness and quickness of perception or discernment; ingenuity. Often used in the plural: living by one's wits.
wits Sound mental faculties; sanity: scared out of my wits.
The ability to perceive and express in an ingeniously humorous manner the relationship between seemingly incongruous or disparate things. One noted for this ability, especially one skilled in repartee.
A person of exceptional intelligence.
I just disagree with giving someone a harder time than you have to. It's easy to just hang up, it saves them time and their company time and money, and they don't have the bad memory of being dicked with to mull over the rest of their shift.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
We are all a bunch of trolling, flaming idjits that would gladly stomp all over our own values just to get in a shot at someone.
No ones opinion is going to change based upon anything said in these threads, we all have far too much pride for that 
SO COME ON!#% GROUP HUG!!!
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King Parcelan thought about the meaning of life:
You essentially do the same thing. Only you don't follow others around and you cover yours up by calling it debating.But that's just my opinion.
Besides, whatever happened to "If you don't like it, don't read it", hmmm?
Haven't I also said before that if you can comment civilly on it, then you should?
For someone like you, 'If you don't like it, don't read it' would be what I would say. Because it's very rarely you don't have a snide comment when you express a view, rather than actually trying to back up your point.
To someone like Chalesm, I would welcome any comments he wanted to make. Because I don't think I've *ever* seen him make a snide comment expressing his view. He's always very well-spoken and civil.
I already said I lost my temper a bit, and apologized for that. The rest of this debate, I have tried to simply explain my reasoning, and explain my views, in as civil a manner as possible.
And no, I don't do the same thing, Parce. I express disagreement and talk things out with who I disagree with. I try to back up my views, I try to explain my reasoning, AND I always respect the fact that someone will disagree with me.
So don't even try to compare me to the rudeness Giantt displays with that stupid picture.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Enforcer Za'Yth stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Right, Giantt and Lyinar. Now get your wooden clubs and start bashing each other over the heads as proper trolls, instead of this bickering.
Shaddup, you fruity swede.
Basically what Parce had done in the other thread.
Go look through the pages of threads we have here. Take a good look. How many, and be honest, do I go into simply to insult and flame?
Now how many do you, Giantt?
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about Pirotess:
The whole point of my actions on that thread was to show how ridiculous and stupid it was to go into a thread with only the intention to insult and flame.Basically what Parce had done in the other thread.
Go look through the pages of threads we have here. Take a good look. How many, and be honest, do I go into simply to insult and flame?
Now how many do you, Giantt?
While I'm sure it was for a worthwhile cause and whatnot, it was still trolling.
And be realistic; would you honestly go back and search, page after page, at 1am, to find some threads? I don't think you would.
But who would get annoyed by someone so righteous?
Unfortunately, I'm not half as stupidly stubborn as you are and I can take advice, so I'm getting out of this thread before I get myself into deeper shit than I'm already in. Nothing is going to come of this thread anyway, so it's all good to me.
Buh bye. *wave*
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Lyinar Ka`Bael wrote this stupid crap:
Khy, I'm protected against abuse, too. I know I've mentioned that before in other threads. I just don't agree with it being okay to abuse telemarketers like that, though. I know what it feels like to have someone call and abuse me, and I don't want to inflict that on someone else, for whatever reason, because I've been in their shoes on the "dealing with people" issue.I just thought that we, as inbound customer service reps, should feel some empathy toward our outbound siblings and try to make things a little easier on them, because we know how it feels.
They ain't my siblings.
When I am at my home, on my time, doing what I want, it is my decision whether or not to call in and request a service. It is my choice, my right to choose, that gives me that ability. Telemarketers remove that right, that choice. They take that from me. It's no longer 'I think I want to call in and order Sprint long distance'. It's "We're going to call this guy up and tell him about sprint."
See the difference? On one, it's my choice, as a consumer, whether or not I am interested in a service.
On the other, it's some company pushing their service on me. It is something I hate, through and through.
What justification are the words 'it's my job' for someone to call up and push their product on me? Why do companies feel that their product is so good, they can push it in front of me whether I like it or not?
The telephone is a much more direct, more personal means of communication than more others. And it's because of that that I feel it shouldn't be used for advertising UNLESS REQUESTED.
That's my view on telemarketing. What's my view on being abusive to telemarketers?
They signed up for a job where they knew that they would be making cold calls to people to sell a product. They knew from the start that they were getting paid to call people up -WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT- and interrupt whatever they're doing to try to push a product on them, and THAT is why I am abusive.
These people get their paychecks by annoying people like me. They agreed to it, they signed up for it, and I deal with it as I see fit.
They've got the same choice for their job, that I have for mine. They put up with people they dislike, or they quit. If the money is too important, they keep it. A garbage man can't stay a garbage man if he refuses to accept the smell. He may complain, whine, bitch, moan, and hate it through and through, but it is his job and he is required to do it.
I may bitch, moan, whine, complain, and laugh at the stupid people that call in, but ultimately I HELP THEM. I keep my job and I do it despite it all.
Any and every telemarketer has that same choice to make. They can continue to do their job, butting in on people's lives to push a product in their faces, and face whatever consequences thereof there are, be they acceptance, refusal, or abuse. But it is what they themselves signed up for, they themselves do all day long, and thus, they themselves are responsible for anything that occurs as a result. I feel no pity for them. As cold-hearted as that sounds, these people butt in to my life, they push their products in my face, and I do not appreciate it. I respond as I feel appropriate, be it mock, abuse, simple refusal if I'm in a good mood, whatever. They don't like it, they don't call me. Simple as that.
Any form of 'well, you should be nicer to them' argument is all well and good, but it leaves this out :
If they feel they are justified to call me up at any time and push their product on me, annoy me, intterupt whatever it is that I do in my home on my time, why shouldn't I be justified in voicing my displeasure in any way I can? [ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Khyron ]
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about (_|_):
The whole point of my actions on that thread was to show how ridiculous and stupid it was to go into a thread with only the intention to insult and flame.Basically what Parce had done in the other thread.
Go look through the pages of threads we have here. Take a good look. How many, and be honest, do I go into simply to insult and flame?
Now how many do you, Giantt?
There's a few. And I didn't exactly do a very deliberate search. Now return the favor and match them with threads where Giantt did the same (Hint, I skipped the threads were you actually went in with another intend than flaming, so return that favor please.)
What about the poparotzi(sp)? Do you think the famous people should be polite to them too? Smile and say "Please don't take my picture anymore"? I mean, it's not the people who take their pictures fault, they just need the money the paper pays them. The famous folk should really get mad at the papers and magazines instead.
They both invade privacy, and, half the time, the poparotzi do it legally.
If you want to be respectful to them Lyinar, that's fine. But you shouldn't expect others to feel the same about it.
edit: clarified whos fault [ 07-13-2002: Message edited by: Ragabash ]
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Hate-mongering is not permitted. If you have a problem with someone else, work it out with them in a mature, civilized matter, or take it up with Drysart. No reasons are acceptable for any sort of other actions.
Feel free to disagree with someone's point of view. When you start attacking the person you've crossed the line.
Drysart has commented on the "Lyinar Crusade" comments and pictures before. Feel free to take the issue up with him. I'm locking this little flamewar.
