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And I still oppose it, especially as a former Enchanter.
And besides, Numerics > This idea. We don't need no more stinkin' bars. [ 06-18-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]
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Giantt^2 Model 2000 was programmed to say:
This has been brought up several times during the years, and each time, it has met a sounding "NO, FUCKNUT! SHUT THE FUCK UP AND PAY YOUR 10$!". I wouldn't count on it happening, ever.
Just like pets not breaking mezz, and not having to look at the book while you medd, and ... well, you get the idea.
Maybe someone should go to the official EQ message boards, and ask if that's something they are thinking about putting into the new UI. Just as a kind of reminder that people would like it.
I'd kinda like to hear the reason's you oppose it though D.
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Check out the big brain on Beta Tested!
I'd kinda like to hear the reason's you oppose it though D.
If your Clerics and Enchanters are lying to you about their mana they have a reason to. They know their job, their class, and their character a lot better than a handful of tanks.
I always lied in pickup groups, just so I'd have the extra mana for when the puller or tank or whoever fucked up.
quote:AO had it first.
Vorbis of Pie said this about your mom:
Like in DAoC?
You lose. 
Nyah.
IdiotPuller could decide "Hey, she's got a couple bars of mana, I can go ahead and pull now!" when I'm truly not ready to handle the fifty million mobs he decides to bring.
I'd rather decide when I have enough mana, and let them know when I do.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
My reply is, "yeah? and?"
I don't have a cleric. But I do have a shaman. I know approximately how long people I've buffed have til I need to re-buff them, I know how much mana it takes per person, and I know how much a heal will cost.
I have a hard enough time with tanks who don't stop pulling shit (to the point where I've willfully conspired with other healers in the group to let a particular nuisance of a tank get killed to teach him a lesson) without them judging for me how much I can handle. They're always the ones asking for Quickness and buffs. But do they know how much of a bub of mana that'll eat for my particular character at level 32? No. They may have a ballpark, but they don't know for sure.
Plus I have enough people telling me how to play my class as it is. Shamans can fill a lot of roles in a party...we can dot, debuff, buff, heal, buff ourselves and supplemental tank if necessary (not tremendously well, mind you, but nonetheless). And sometimes they expect all of the above and the last thing I need is for them to pester me about mana.
And the bottom line is, as has been mentioned before, if I'm misrepresenting the precise amount of mana I have, then chances are it's for the greater good. A bad pull can have adds or other unforeseen consequences. Can't tell you the number of times in a firefight I've had someone want me to pull up Cancel Magic or Cure this or whatever. That takes mana, and often tosses hours of careful patternmaking and mental calculation out the window.
Let casters worry about their mana.
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I even interrupted an AWESOME break of Frenzy/Sent to get FM (since the break w/out a chanter and three subsequent full spawns had left me rather drained, and I was facing the 3spawn behind sent without enough mana to root ONE, let alone two), and got kicked out of the group for it. :/
I feel that pets are a lot more useful and accepted now in groups with the new changes.
I partner with a magician often, and we've come close to death many times due to the difficulty of monitoring the pet's health while dealing with other tasks (that and gheal sucks).
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We were all impressed when Terena Azal wrote:
What about pet health bars? Bad? Good? Indifferent?
For the owner? Good, as a group thing? No.
But it's not hard to Target your pet, then Tab back over to the mob every once in awhile. [ 06-19-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]
Even a report command for other group members would be nicer than having to target the blasted thing.
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Skaw wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
For the owner? Good, as a group thing? No.But it's not hard to Target your pet, then Tab back over to the mob every once in awhile.
An interesting note, Skaw:
You can keep a "refrence" of a target interzone by targetting something, then hitting tab twice, then escape.
As long as you do NOT hit tab with anyone other then yourself targetted, you will instantly regain that target.
Neat, no?
Easy enough to keep tabs on a pet. Just hit F1 twice, and you get your pet's bar. Then you can go back to having whatever you were attacking targeted.
But I wouldn't mind the group knowing if the pet was getting low, so they know to heal it, too.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
I think there should be a bar below a pet class's, maybe a bit smaller, for their pet.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Speaking of the new UI, who gets that? do you have to pay for it? have luclin? shipped with PoP?
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Beta Tested enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
If we could see the mana bars of group members. I mean, it wouldn't need to be implimtented for Monks Warriors or Rouges, but I think it would be nice to see how much mana the cleric/shammy/druid in the group has.
From a monk's point of view:
This would put a little more stress on our position in raids, not only would we have to concentrate on pulling right and feigning at the right moment but we would have to take in the variables of everyone's mana.
I'm not knocking the position of caster in the group, I value their positions and know that without them, I would be dead but also, without the melee, they would be too (Except for mages...damn man ).
In my opinion, it's fine just the way it is, a symbiosis of sorts, Casters keep us alive and tell us when we're good to go. Tanks take the damage and keep monsters off casters.
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How.... Hindaine.... uughhhhhh:
Terena That will be in the new UI.. a DAOC-like pet window.Speaking of the new UI, who gets that? do you have to pay for it? have luclin? shipped with PoP?
As far as I understand, They are working on the new UI, and hope to release it before PoP, along with making it availible to ALL users (Even non expansion users). If it comes out with/after PoP is just a coincidence.
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about John Romero:
As far as I understand, They are working on the new UI, and hope to release it before PoP, along with making it availible to ALL users (Even non expansion users). If it comes out with/after PoP is just a coincidence.
Knowing VI that will be a fucking LEGENDS benifit
or you will hav to pay 3$ extra month to "enjoy the wonderful experience of our new UI!"
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the F-key trick for pets for group members would be good to... like group member number 6 is a mage... F6 twice targets their pet... THAT would be usefull
As far as I know (from listening to old responses to this request,) this is not feasible, as the information about which pet belongs to you is stored clientside. Unless this information was changed to serverside storage, this wouldn't work.
At least, I recall something like that being said somewhere along the line.
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Beta Tested had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Rouges
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Ladies pinch their cheeks. Rouge is for whores.
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Ryuujin the Leezard was naked while typing this:
From a monk's point of view:This would put a little more stress on our position in raids, not only would we have to concentrate on pulling right and feigning at the right moment but we would have to take in the variables of everyone's mana.
I'm not knocking the position of caster in the group, I value their positions and know that without them, I would be dead but also, without the melee, they would be too (Except for mages...damn man
).
In my opinion, it's fine just the way it is, a symbiosis of sorts, Casters keep us alive and tell us when we're good to go. Tanks take the damage and keep monsters off casters.
Exactly. Thank you. And the bottom line is...it ain't broke. Don't fix it if it ain't broke.
As it stands, everyone has to be moderately competant to survive, right? Everyone has to know their role.
But if one person (even just the leader) can determine when everyone's ready for them, rather than themselves, then only one person in the group has to be competant. Everyone just has to sing along, more or less. And if that isn't bad enough...
What if you have a group full of people all used to being in charge? Or a group of people who never learn to gauge things correctly and try to lead? Too many chefs in the kitchen would suck. NO chefs in the kitchen would suck worse.
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* sigh *
Pallies need our mana too... never know when the fertilizer will hit the air circulation device and we might be needed to chain heal the puller or drop a Holy Might to get a mob off the 'chanter/cleric...
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From the book of Terena Azal, chapter 3, verse 16:
I just want the ability to monitor the pet's health without having to target it every now and then.
Didn't like what I said?
/pet health
/pet health report
/pet health status(dunno if that one works or not, forget.)
Take your pick.
100%: Awww, yeah, Jebober is owning up dis joint. This is OUR crib now.
75%: Monster is almost dead! Hahahahaha YES!
50%: Hmm, this may prove more difficult then expected.
35%: Man, we'll probably have to sit for a while after this one, Jebober, ol' friend.
10%: /shout WHICH WAY TO THE ZONE LINE
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Skaw said:
Didn't like what I said?/pet health
/pet health report
/pet health status(dunno if that one works or not, forget.)Take your pick.
I'm a druid. I want to monitor my PARTNER'S pet. HI!
Most groups I've been in are where the puller will call a mana check, casters will say their mana, and if they're gtg or not, and it's taken from there.
I actually get annoyed if someone *doesn't* call a mana check, or they ignore what I said. Like that bard tonight, grrr.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
