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Mightion Defensor
posted 06-05-2002 12:38:15 PM
quote:

** Tradeskills **

- Made some changes to the General Blacksmithing difficulties to make the progression in this trade skill more logical and to allow for more variety in that path
- Added more than 200 smithing recipes


Well, it was as I feared. The damned trivials nerf went in. Now us smiths under 242 skill have to find something else to skillup on. Before you could make fine plate cloaks to 242. Now, all fine plate trivials by 201.

This is NOT a good thing for me. Yak (The VI tradeskills guy) said he was going to make high-level smithing more like Velious tailoring!

Basically, based on the rumors from Test, every recipe post 201 requires some rare drop... hope it's not too hideous.

Taylen
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 12:43:53 PM
On the plus side it might also mean that high level smithing items will be even more in demand. Like certain high level talioring items are.
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
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Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Lalamile
My title doesn't even make sense any more
posted 06-05-2002 12:44:38 PM
Woot!



Now... what do they all do...

Mightion Defensor
posted 06-05-2002 12:46:26 PM
quote:
Taylen wrote this stupid crap:
On the plus side it might also mean that high level smithing items will be even more in demand. Like certain high level talioring items are.

Right. And all those people who powerskilled to 242 wasting 30k in the process will get to make those items. No one will come to a 209 smith with all these 242+ smiths out there now...

* rant ramble bitch whine moan grumble snort

JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-05-2002 12:59:46 PM
Eh, I'm just glad I'll be able to make fine plate much easier now.

I wonder what the old cultural smithing stuff is trivial at now.

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Beta Tested
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:06:49 PM
You could fire grubs with a bow? Man, I'd have liked to see that....
What's this thing do?
That would be sooo cool if it wasn't going to hurt us.
Melphina's Magelo
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 06-05-2002 01:11:05 PM
quote:
Beta Tested stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
You could fire grubs with a bow? Man, I'd have liked to see that....

They should have worked as a very easy-to-resist fear. Imagine shooting gooey worms, grubs and maggots at your enemy, making said enemy run around screaming "EWWWW! GET EM OFF GET EM OFF!!!"

I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
KaLourin
Illanae's Stooge!
posted 06-05-2002 01:20:10 PM
So thats what bard equipment really looks like... nice

"here, let me beat on you with this piece of glass while beating on this pile of dust!"

Dont make me slap you so hard your bucket spins around, and around,and stops sideways,thus confusing you, and making you run about London wearing your bucket, a g-string, and carrying a stick,smacking the ground while yelling "MAGICALLY DELICIOUS! MAGICALLY FUCKING DELICIOUS!"- {Tal} to Mortious
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Radience
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:26:24 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Mightion Defensor said:

Basically, based on the rumors from Test, every recipe post 201 requires some rare drop... hope it's not too hideous.

That's what the 200 new tradeskill recipies are for. You could get to 222 before, WITHOUT farming items, etc to make Fine plate. You simply made ornate chain. Everything was avaliable on vendors. (Albeit in limited supply for the ore) It was, however, the more expensive route.

There are already reports at EQtraders that a good number of new recipies are just ornate chain using different materials. The progression is more like jewelcraft than tailoring. (electrum, silver, gold, plat)

No reports on the trivial levels, however. But if the silver ornate chain was equal in difficulty to fine plate, I'd wager the plat ornate is more difficult (and in-line with the old cultural armor or new acyrlia plate trivials)

Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:28:05 PM
Well, I'm gonna get on as Poor ol' Larhnan and pwn some phlarg fiends for ubar xp!

.. after checking Delphi's bank for new focus item effects.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 06-05-2002 01:32:43 PM
quote:
- Added a 3 second casting time on Egg Shaped Pumice

Why was it necessary to nerf an item that was replaced on all servers by a nerfed item?

Why don't we go nerfing manastones, guises of the deceiver, and boxes of abu kar while we're at it?

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:34:59 PM
Because, Dens, when people on PvP servers heard about the impending nerf of Egg Shaped Pumice, they bought backpacks upon backpacks full. Granted, they couldnt get any more, but an instacasting dispell for any class was kinda nice.. And overpowered.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Mod
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:35:30 PM
You can fix the Icon bug by turning Texture caching off.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Reynar
Oldest Member
Best Lap
posted 06-05-2002 01:38:31 PM
There are now a TON of items with the new abilities on them.

Obulous death shroud cast spell casting haste III on it

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Super Kagrama
ROFLELFOLOL!!!11!1 YUO CAN'T RAED MY POSTSSE!@!11
posted 06-05-2002 01:38:53 PM
The nerf for bow-shot fishing grubs was in the bag.
i shoueld joeg threw the foreast moer offeand!!11
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:39:35 PM
quote:
Super Kagrama had this to say about dark elf butts:
The nerf for bow-shot fishing grubs was in the bag.

BOOOOOOO!!

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 06-05-2002 01:42:33 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Because, Dens, when people on PvP servers heard about the impending nerf of Egg Shaped Pumice, they bought backpacks upon backpacks full. Granted, they couldnt get any more, but an instacasting dispell for any class was kinda nice.. And overpowered.


Overpowered was why it was nerfed in the FIRST PLACE, dipshit. They said it was ONLY going to be nerfed on pvp servers, but they nerfed it on ALL servers.

It's been like a year since then. Either most reserves of egg shaped pumice are gone, or will never had been used because people didn't wanna waste it.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 01:44:47 PM
Me and Fal already had our praises for the pet changes Monday, the next thing they need(and Fal heard they were working on the first I'm about to mention) is have pets be effected by Bard songs and Group/MGB spells.
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:56:02 PM
quote:
Densetsu thought about the meaning of life:
Overpowered was why it was nerfed in the FIRST PLACE, dipshit. They said it was ONLY going to be nerfed on pvp servers, but they nerfed it on ALL servers.

It's been like a year since then. Either most reserves of egg shaped pumice are gone, or will never had been used because people didn't wanna waste it.


Which begs the question: Why didnt they change the original item to this in the first place?

Gimme a few mins and I'll post pics of my fuxxed inventory, its kinda neatlooking. I attack with a yellow sash! RAR!

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 01:59:03 PM

Hope I remembered that right. Again, thanks to MadCat for hosting.

Now, the Shissar fangs are about the only ok item.. Heh.. But thats my bag of food.. and it seems like I drink Fizzlecutter formula from a bloody head! WOOT!

Edit: Hmm. Caps sensitive, arent we?
Edit2: Bah, I shoulda cut out my stats. Laugh all you want... Heh.
Also, my ring on the one side seems to be fine.. and no that isnt a SoW potion, its a greater Lightstone.

[ 06-05-2002: Message edited by: Delphi Aegis ]

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Mightion Defensor
posted 06-05-2002 02:04:43 PM
quote:
Radience wrote this stupid crap:
That's what the 200 new tradeskill recipies are for. You could get to 222 before, WITHOUT farming items, etc to make Fine plate. You simply made ornate chain. Everything was avaliable on vendors. (Albeit in limited supply for the ore) It was, however, the more expensive route.

There are already reports at EQtraders that a good number of new recipies are just ornate chain using different materials. The progression is more like jewelcraft than tailoring. (electrum, silver, gold, plat)

No reports on the trivial levels, however. But if the silver ornate chain was equal in difficulty to fine plate, I'd wager the plat ornate is more difficult (and in-line with the old cultural armor or new acyrlia plate trivials)


Check this thread: http://pub126.ezboard.com/feqtraderscornersmithing.showMessage?topicID=5817.topic

Platinum Ornate chain legs and boots were trivial below 175.

Looks like Acrylia armor will require hunting down an enchanter, for one temper component is a vial of clear mana.

Still not happy here...

[ 06-05-2002: Message edited by: Mightion Defensor ]

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 06-05-2002 02:12:50 PM
quote:
Delphi Aegis impressed everyone with:

Hope I remembered that right. Again, thanks to MadCat for hosting.

Now, the Shissar fangs are about the only ok item.. Heh.. But thats my bag of food.. and it seems like I drink Fizzlecutter formula from a bloody head! WOOT!

Edit: Hmm. Caps sensitive, arent we?
Edit2: Bah, I shoulda cut out my stats. Laugh all you want... Heh.
Also, my ring on the one side seems to be fine.. and no that isnt a SoW potion, its a greater Lightstone.


The Pauldron in your offhand looks like a pretty spiffy shield

Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 02:33:05 PM
quote:
ACES! Another post by Vorago:
The Pauldron in your offhand looks like a pretty spiffy shield

Yeah, I noticed that too.

My Strength of Grodan has an interestig icon: that mosscovered sandal like thing that you dredge up from Fishing from time to time...

RAR!! I SHALL HEET J00 WITH MY SHOE OF DOOM!!!

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 02:44:29 PM
Ok, did some testing.

Theory: Reagent Conservation # = # of reagents not used in casting an item.

Test: Zumiak`s Animation. Cost: 3 Tiny Daggers.
Item(s) in use:

After casting, the cost was 1 tiny dagger.
Results: Positive. Added info: These effects stack, reduces the # of regents needed to cast

Theory: Extended Range III - Extends casting(or throwing/bows, still need to test these, though doubt it) range by 3xRange Percentage. Percentage is unknown to me right now.

Test: Adorning Grace on a Shadowhave Guard.
Item(s) used:
Results: I was able to back up beyond normal range(found out by taking item off and getting closer as I cast) and still cast beyond the old range.

Theory: Summoning Haste II - Reduces time on summoning spells.

Test: Zumiak`s Animation. Cast time: 12.0
Item(s):
Results: Positive. Time with item: 9.5 +/-, though casting time ran out at 8, might have lagged on it.

[ 06-05-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 02:53:51 PM
For the casting haste, Skaw, I think you can just rightclick the spell gem.. It should give a "Casting time: x.x" and a "Your casting time: y.y".

Stopwatches are so innacurate sometimes.

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 02:54:29 PM
No, it doesn't bish. Thx.
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 02:55:53 PM
Thats why I said "I think". Jeezus, dont have to jump down my throat, It said "Your casting time" When I would wear a mage focus item giving casting haste.
Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 03:04:23 PM
Yeah, well, it doesn't give a "Your Delay" when you wear a haste item, right?

And I tried looking at the time, hell, I had to cause I forgot how long it took to cast Zumiak`s.

And don't hybrids 50+ get an already altered cut on offensive spells which displays "Your casting time?" Yeah. So make sure you weren't looking at an offensive spell.

[ 06-05-2002: Message edited by: Skaw ]

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 06-05-2002 03:06:11 PM
Delphi...

That is a HYBRID only thing

It is because we have innate Spell Haste Focus

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 06-05-2002 03:08:12 PM
quote:
How.... Delphi Aegis.... uughhhhhh:
Thats why I said "I think". Jeezus, dont have to jump down my throat, It said "Your casting time" When I would wear a mage focus item giving casting haste.

Delph is correct on this. The mage focus items for improving casting speed DID show base time and your actual time for casting.

I played around with them a bit with my mage the day they came out. Pitty I can't stand to play my mage anymore.

If the new casting focus items don't show both casting times, I'm supprised. Maybe it's something they forgot to add?

[Edit: or, someone could explain that it's a Hybrid thing, and make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about. ]

[ 06-05-2002: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 06-05-2002 03:18:52 PM
This:

Hybrids have had it forever.

Mightion Defensor
posted 06-05-2002 03:19:31 PM
quote:
Pesco stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Delphi...

That is a HYBRID only thing

It is because we have innate Spell Haste Focus


Which, at level 51; works on exactly one spell in my spellbook; Dismiss Undead.

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 06-05-2002 03:21:51 PM
quote:
Mightion Defensor's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Which, at level 51; works on exactly one spell in my spellbook; Dismiss Undead.

You're not an offensive hybrid

Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 03:23:27 PM
quote:
Pesco had this to say about Captain Planet:
You're not an offensive hybrid

Mort is. In more ways than one.

*Clothespins his nose shut*

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 06-05-2002 03:23:44 PM
Reagent reduction on batskull earrings?! Dude! My wizard can cast the absorb shields reagent-free now!
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piña coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Arttemis the Rogue
Amethyst's sex toy
posted 06-05-2002 03:30:51 PM
My dad noticed that on his wizard today, too. He's wearing a pair of Bracelets of Woven Grass, with Haste 1 on them. Only on spells at level 20 and below, though, is the modified time shown, implying that there is a "level range" within which spells are affected.

So it's *not* just a hybrid thing, contrary to what's being said here.

It doesn't show the new spell cast time on your Zumiak's Animation because Summoning Haste II probably doesn't affect that level of spell.

Pesco
Is a copyright of Peachis. Don't underestimate his pants, either.
posted 06-05-2002 03:38:44 PM
Confirmed Focus Levels for Spells:

Focus I: 1 - 20
Focus II: 1 - 44
Focus III: 1 - 60

Skaw
posted 06-05-2002 03:40:43 PM
quote:
Arttemis the Rogue had this to say about Captain Planet:
It doesn't show the new spell cast time on your Zumiak's Animation because Summoning Haste II probably doesn't affect that level of spell.

Theres still a significant cut Mr. Smartypants

Arttemis the Rogue
Amethyst's sex toy
posted 06-05-2002 03:45:30 PM
Oh yeah? Well I am the walrus, you are the eggplant, koo koo ka fucking choo.
Delphi Aegis
Pancake
posted 06-05-2002 04:21:55 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Palador ChibiDragon stammered:
Delph

ARGH!!! Haet u.

Anyway, I havent checked a lot of my spells recently.. ToK has that "Your casting time" Thing, but, I havent noticed it anywhere else.. /shrug

Delphi
I walk in the Light
Facing the Darkness Boldly
I fear no Evil
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