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Black Mage had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Other things... Rumor or truth!?
http://forums.shadowknight.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1486
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and I spoke to soon, GM just came on sol ro, and made them all go bye bye.....such a tease =/. Should have know verant wasnt gonna just randomly pull their heads out of their collective ass.
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RPC's account was hax0red to write:
F8 was ****VERY**** broken in some areas of the Grey. Standing in front of mobs and UNDER some mobs I couldn't F8 them.
Eh, I never noticed. It got like that so gradually, that I just accepted it as normal.
Maybe now I'll target better (I have it bound to F8 and the + key on the numpad. Works wonders.)
GMs are going around as we speak killing them off.
One guild on our server almost made it to them before they were /killed.
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We were all impressed when Reynar wrote:
They are still tiny gods
Maybe so... but for the love of god.. Why couldnt they fix atleast ONE of the MANY MANY overwrite issues with WP.
quote:LOL, ouch.
Reynar's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
Yes, the warders / vulak and the sleeper were all up on server up.
GMs are going around as we speak killing them off.One guild on our server almost made it to them before they were /killed.
XXX1 tells ntov:1, "INC p00sae Target!"
XXX2 tells notv:1, "#$^%#"
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Pesco wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Maybe so... but for the love of god.. Why couldnt they fix atleast ONE of the MANY MANY overwrite issues with WP.
At least you didnt have some of your regen ganked from ya. 
quote:Basiclly the STR was nerfed...
before:
Jonthan's Whistling Warsong
2: Increase Attack Speed for between 16% (L7) to 25% (L40)
3: Increase Armor Class (AC) from 2 (L7) to 11 (L60)
4: Increase Strength from 8 (L7) to 35 (L60)
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Classes: Brd (L7)
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Skill: Singing
Allowable Targets: Self
Beneficial: Beneficial
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Resistance Check: None
Base Fizzle : 15%
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Spell Duration: 5 minutes
Duration Formula: 5
Casting Time: 3.0 seconds
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Spell cast on you: You whistle an ancient warsong.
Spell fades: You stop whistling.
after:
Jonthan's Whistling Warsong
2: Increase Attack Speed for between 16% (L7) to 25% (L40)
3: Increase Armor Class (AC) from 2 (L7) to 11 (L60)
5: Increase Strength by 5 (L7)
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Classes: Brd (L7)
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Skill: Singing
Allowable Targets: Self
Beneficial: Beneficial
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Resistance Check: None
Base Fizzle : 15%
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Spell Duration: 5 minutes
Duration Formula: 5
Casting Time: 3.0 seconds
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Spell cast on you: You whistle an ancient warsong.
Spell fades: You stop whistling.
No idea why though.
Edit-
Acyrilia AE is dead. Mobs are CR/FR resistant, 100% MR, 20 min respawn, unstunnable.
Those assheads.
Edit2- And here's what Absor said on regen:
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I'm committing a personal sin. Im posting to a thread that I havent finished reading all the way through. Im sorry about that. Ill try to finish it later, right now Im hunting for patch repercussions.The change to the regeneration thing was not really a bug fix, it was a change of opinion. As should be obvious from this long-as-hell thread, neither leaving it as it was nor fixing it would end up being the right thing to do when it comes down to public opinion. Folks on one side or the other of the discussion are going to end up displeased.
We made the change because we thought it was the right change. If anything, Id rather you all be angry with us than ripping each other apart over this. We basically came to the conclusion that there really isnt any reason for two races to get more from the same ability than all the other races.
Im sorry for those that are unhappy about the change. And Im not real happy about anyone thats here gloating about it either.
Alan
[ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: Black Mage ]
LOOK AT THE FUCKING RACIAL XP MODS YOU DIPSHIT.
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There was much rejoicing when RPC said this:
Bull shit it's not fair.LOOK AT THE FUCKING RACIAL XP MODS YOU DIPSHIT.
Yes, but they felt that they were rewarded for that (the EXP mod) without the ability in question. Giving them that as well was, from VIs POV, unbalanced.
You might not agree, but points to Absor for posting what he did and like he did. [ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: Palador ChibiDragon ]
. Oh well, it was too good to be true anyway.
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We basically came to the conclusion that there really isnt any reason for two races to get more from the same ability than all the other races.
HILARIOUS!
[ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: D ]
Why did I say hilarity? :\
Why not give ALL WARRIORS the ability to Slam instead of just the Large Races... How about the immunity to front-arc stuns that Ogres get?
They paid for it, and they're paying for the extras. Quit being dumbfucks about it. haet u VI.
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RPC had this to say about Duck Tales:
Why not give ALL WARRIORS the ability to Slam instead of just the Large Races... How about the immunity to front-arc stuns that Ogres get?
Because that would actually make SENSE.
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So quoth Densetsu:
Because that would actually make SENSE.
No, that doesn't make sense.
Large Races are basically body checking the opponent. Sure a Gnome could do this, and most things would LAUGH at him for it.
In the case of Ogres and stun, it's a racial ability. They don't get stunned when hit from the front arc. They get penalized for this in the amount of XP they earn. If they went and gave this ability to *EVERYBODY*, there would be MUCH less of a point to being an Ogre.
Just like there's much less of a point being an Iksar Shaman or a Troll Shaman now. If everyone can have the same regen, might as well make a Hairball or a Barb so that you at least have semi-decent factions.
Thing is, Slam applies to Rogues, Shamans, Beastlords, and ShadowKnights as much as it does to Warriors. Giving Slam to all Warriors makes much more sense than removing racial regen from all warriors, shadowknights, shamans, necromancers, Monks, and Beastlords that decided to be an iksar or a troll and then spend AA points on natural regen like everyone else is able to do.
Slam is capped at 1 unless you're a class that gets Bash. This means Warriors and SK's.
I play a Barb Shaman. Slam is 99% useless. RARELY ever hits, NEVER does more than 1 point of damage, and only occasionally stuns when it does hit.
To a Warrior (or Large SK) this is an extra attack with a capability to stun. Warriors can't stun with kicks before 55 (I think it's 55). For Large Race warriors, this is an advantage that they pay for in XP.
Same thing applies to regen. I paid for my racial regen abilities when I made the character. If I'm going to get nerfed later on because everyone can get regen, what's the fucking point of having it at all? Why not just REMOVE REGEN completely from thoes races and adjust their XP scale accordingly? Why take from them something they've already paid for in blood, sweat and time?
Ogre Warrior will level faster than a Human Monk. I guarantee it, personal experience.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Densetsu said:
Actually, the XP BONUS that you get for being a Warrior is greater than the penalty you get for being an ogre.Ogre Warrior will level faster than a Human Monk. I guarantee it, personal experience.
Problem.
Bonus/Negatives for Class were removed by bonus XP equal to the difficulty increase.
Warriors are a 1.0. Monks are a 1.2.
Warrior kills a 100 XP mob, he gets 100 XP.
Monk kills a 100 XP mob, he gets 120 XP.
However that only covers class. I don't get a bonus to balance out the Human vs Ogre aspect, so I require roughly the same XP totals as an Ogre Warrior (1.2 Race, 1.0 Class) as a Human Monk (1.0 Race, 1.2 Class) but the Monk gets an XP bonus where the Warrior does not.
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There was much rejoicing when Delphi Aegis said this:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did they not REMOVE ALL EXPERIENCE PENALTIES a long time ago?
*insert smartass comment about being pwned here*
hehehe
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RPC had this to say about (_|_):
*insert smartass comment about being pwned here*
Actually, it's false. The racial modifiers are still there. So halflings are kings of levelling while Iksar lag behind. ;(
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Lord Tier's fortune cookie read:
Actually, it's false. The racial modifiers are still there. So halflings are kings of levelling while Iksar lag behind. ;(
CLASS MODS were removed.
Please read above post covering this topic. 
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Delphi Aegis's account was hax0red to write:
Wow, you posted like.. 2 seconds before I did.ARENT YOU SPECIAL?!
Yep. I R SPECUL!
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RPC spewed forth this undeniable truth:
CLASS MODS were removed.Please read above post covering this topic.
Please make sense. Thank you, have a nice day!
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Lord Tier wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Please make sense. Thank you, have a nice day!
No. I will not make sense. Verant doesn't have to make sense, therefor I do not have to make sense! Muahahahahahah!
Actually, the "smartass pwned" comment was because I had answered and given specifics before Delphi posted. You came along and basically said the same shit that I had already left in big steaming pile beforehand. Therefor my shit > your shit. Or some shit like that. Fuck if I know... I'm not making sense.
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This insanity brought to you by RPC:
No. I will not make sense. Verant doesn't have to make sense, therefor I do not have to make sense! Muahahahahahah!Actually, the "smartass pwned" comment was because I had answered and given specifics before Delphi posted. You came along and basically said the same shit that I had already left in big steaming pile beforehand. Therefor my shit > your shit. Or some shit like that. Fuck if I know... I'm not making sense.
Note that the minutes on the posting time are exactly the same, meaning that you posted a whole 20-40 seconds before I did. Hence the "OMG ARENT YOU SPECIAL" comment.
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We were all impressed when Delphi Aegis wrote:
Note that the minutes on the posting time are exactly the same, meaning that you posted a whole 20-40 seconds before I did. Hence the "OMG ARENT YOU SPECIAL" comment.
Exactly. And I R SPESHUL. I rode the short bus to werk.
hehehe
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JooJooFlop had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Actually, I think the 10% exp bonus for warriors and rogues remained when they eliminated the class-based exp penalties. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember.
That is correct. The removed the PENALTIES for classes, but left the BONUSES for Warriors and Rogues in place.
A Halfling Warrior or Rogue will outlevel anything else.
As to them "losing" their regen, no they don't. The other races can "buy" it with their own hard earned EXP when they get to that point, but Iksar and Trolls don't lose anything. In fact, it looks like they can buy the extra regen too, and still be better at regen than any other race.
No, I don't play the high level game, but this looks like VI brand "Common Sense" to me. It may not be normal common sense, but there is a consistant logic to it.
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RPC spewed forth this undeniable truth:
You came along and basically said the same shit that I had already left in big steaming pile beforehand.
Not quite... I said racial modifiers. Since the patch where they changed exp a lot, they removed class (as in Hybrid, monk, casters) penalties but not racial penalties, since ogres for example make much better warriors than halflings. Unless they changed that in a patch I missed, there's still racial penalties. [ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: Lord Tier ]
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Lord Tier enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
Not quite... I said racial modifiers. Since the patch where they changed exp a lot, they removed class (as in Hybrid, monk, casters) penalties but not racial penalties, since ogres for example make much better warriors than halflings. Unless they changed that in a patch I missed, there's still racial penalties.
Note the examples cited. Read them carefully. Notice the racial differences and the fact that the Monk is getting bonus XP for being a monk? Class XP bonus vs Racial XP penalty.
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Palador ChibiDragon enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
That is correct. The removed the PENALTIES for classes, but left the BONUSES for Warriors and Rogues in place.A Halfling Warrior or Rogue will outlevel anything else.
As to them "losing" their regen, no they don't. The other races can "buy" it with their own hard earned EXP when they get to that point, but Iksar and Trolls don't lose anything. In fact, it looks like they can buy the extra regen too, and still be better at regen than any other race.
No, I don't play the high level game, but this looks like VI brand "Common Sense" to me. It may not be normal common sense, but there is a consistant logic to it.
They don't get the regen IF they have regen equal or better.
Enchanters lost regen off their Illusions. Troll and Iksar used to give regen. Some enchanters (like my roommate) happen to have 11 points native regen (3 for the AAXP, 2 from his Dain belt and 6 more from a Zlandicar Heart (when used)). This kills the regen comming from either Troll (6 points) or Iksar (10 point) forms because it out does them. This is the same for Iksar and Trolls themselves. They lose their native regen when items and AAXP shit kicks in and becomes greater. Meaning any Troll Shammy with a Fungi is screwed and any Iksar with a Fungi and 2 points AAXP is screwed.
Where's the fairness in this?
Monks DO NOT GET XP BONUES.
Halflings, Warriors, and Rogues STILL level faster than anything else.
Pwned.
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Densetsu stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Racial modifiers styill exist, class-based BONUSES still exist.Monks DO NOT GET XP BONUES.
Halflings, Warriors, and Rogues STILL level faster than anything else.
Pwned.
So.... Monks aren't a class? Is that what you're saying?
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RPC spewed forth this undeniable truth:
So.... Monks aren't a class? Is that what you're saying?
No, but you said monks get XP bonuses. They do not. Never did.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Densetsu said:
No, but you said monks get XP bonuses. They do not. Never did.
Um... Ok... so I guess Monks are Nerfed then because everyone else is getting them....
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RPC Model 2000 was programmed to say:
Um... Ok... so I guess Monks are Nerfed then because everyone else is getting them....
Monks had a PENALTY at first, I think. [ 05-08-2002: Message edited by: Lord Tier ]
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Lord Tier had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Monks had a PENALTY at first, I think.
Yep.
Thoes are the class modifiers. PEOPLE WITH ABOVE A 1.0 ARE SAID TO HAVE A PENALTY.
VI went in and added code so that when those classes get XP, it gets bumped by a % equal to the "penalty" they incurr. Meaning that Monks get a bonus 20% XP on each kill, Casters get a 10%, and if I'm remembering the mods right, SK and Paladins are getting 30%.
This was how they "removed" the penalties for class without actually changing the XP scale.
