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Densetsu had this to say about Knight Rider:
Considering you CAN play warez copies of EQ on an emu server, but not on a live server, how does it NOT make the emu warez in any way?
Warez is the illegal copying of copyrighted software. EQEmu contains no Verant software, none of Verant's source code, none of Verant's data files, none of Verant's artwork.
Calling EQ Emu warez simply because it enables illegal use of another product makes about as much sense as calling Windows itself warez, because without Windows you couldn't use that illegal copy of Photoshop you got.
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Densetsu had this to say about Robocop:
An account costs money. You don't need one to play on an emulated server. you are playing the game for free.
You've paid to license the software. The software agreement doesn't conclude that you're only allowed to play if you pay VI.
The TOS does that. However, the only reprisal to breaking the EULA is getting your EQlive account banned.
Feel free to tell me off to VI.
EDIT: Nasty typo [ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]
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So quoth Za'Yth:
Feel me to tell me off to VI.
BRANE HERT
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This insanity brought to you by Densetsu:
You are altering a file in your game that allows you to play it completely free, thus making your copy of EQ warezed for as long as you play on that server. EQemu allows this. It's like saying a CS random key generator isn't warez, but the keys it generates are.
Altering your own copy of something that is copyrighted is not illegal. It's not illegal to write in the margins of your books. It's not illegal to tape over your purchased VHS copy of Battlefield Earth.
Altering eqhost.txt to play on another server doesn't violate Copyright Law. It does violate your EQ EULA, but that's something entirely different -- and if you care to do that, you do so at your own peril.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Densetsu wrote:
An account costs money. You don't need one to play on an emulated server. you are playing the game for free.
Your playing a game which is not the retail game. And therfore the paid accounts are not affected since you still have to pay to play the completed original game. VI controls the retail resources, you cannot get this experience from an emulator because of server side only implimentations. I believe this is correct. Drys?
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Drysart painfully thought these words up:
Warez is the illegal copying of copyrighted software. EQEmu contains no Verant software, none of Verant's source code, none of Verant's data files, none of Verant's artwork.Calling EQ Emu warez simply because it enables illegal use of another product makes about as much sense as calling Windows itself warez, because without Windows you couldn't use that illegal copy of Photoshop you got.
I'll give you that, but you still can't say that playing EQ on another server to circumvent the monthly fee, no matter how functional EQ may be on that server, is 100% legitimate.
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Drysart attempted to be funny by writing:
It's not illegal to tape over your purchased VHS copy of Battlefield Earth.
But it is cheaper than buying a blank tape!
[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: Comrade Snoota ]
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Densetsu had this to say about pies:
I'll give you that, but you still can't say that playing EQ on another server to circumvent the monthly fee, no matter how functional EQ may be on that server, is 100% legitimate.
It's against the EULA. That is it.
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D got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
But it is cheaper than buying a blank tape!
And you're making the world a better place in the process!
And Drysart, he didn't break your rule. He said he used it, he said he distributed it, but there is nothing in the rule that says you can't do that in real life. It just says no warez/cracks, etc, and he didn't even hint at posting a link to it.
Liam did post something in some way dealing with how to find warez, but as Tier pointed out, it was his own key. Added to the fact it was his first offense, I don't agree he deserved to be banned, either.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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"The Game" is on Verant's servers.Winter's Roar is far from "The Game".
Please come back when you have a valid argument.
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So quoth Lyinar:
I'm not trying to get anyone banned, Snoota.
So saying, "<unbanned person> did the same thing <banned person> did. You should ban <unbanned person> too," isn't trying to get someone banned?
What would you do if Drysart banned Otaku like you suggested? Crusade for his unbanning? 
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Densetsu was all like:
An account costs money. You don't need one to play on an emulated server. you are playing the game for free.
Yeah, but you still have to purchase the software rights, and you still need to pay to play on their servers that offer guide support and the main story line. [ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: Waisztarroz ]
Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Comrade Snoota said:
So saying, "<unbanned person> did the same thing <banned person> did. You should ban <unbanned person> too," isn't trying to get someone banned?What would you do if Drysart banned Otaku like you suggested? Crusade for his unbanning?
Don't make me add you to my sig!
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Verily, Lyinar doth proclaim:
Of course I would, Snoota. Just as if I really did go through old posts, rezzing mentions of people bragging about using warez, and people were banned, I would speak up to get them unbanned, too.
SOMEONE HAND ME A MOP, I NEED TO CLEAN UP ALL THIS GREY MATTER ON MY FLOOR.
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Lyinar was naked while typing this:
Of course I would, Snoota. Just as if I really did go through old posts, rezzing mentions of people bragging about using warez, and people were banned, I would speak up to get them unbanned, too.
It all makes sense now! You just to look at the pretty colors in the sky...
oooh...
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From the book of D, chapter 3, verse 16:
But it is cheaper than buying a blank tape!
Amen to that! 
Yes, that's right, hot live sex!
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
I bow out of this thread as far as this subject is concerned, now.
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Densetsu impressed everyone with:
I can tell when I'm not wanted in a thread. You didn't have to be such fucking assholes about it, though.I bow out of this thread as far as this subject is concerned, now.
I'm fairly curious where we were being such assholes. You're the one that took it upon yourself to explain why what I am doing is wrong and illegal.
I just defended it.
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Lyinar had this to say about Punky Brewster:
My whole point, Snoota, was that Kegwen did this, X person did too, Y person, Z person, etc, etc. So if we're going to ban Kegwen, we should ban X, Y, Z as well. But when you think about it, there are a lot of X, Y, Zs who have said they use warez. Since all the X, Y, Zs can't be banned, then no one should be banned for this reason.
But you're forgetting the whole point that it's none of your business, and Kegwen doesn't care in any way shape or form.
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From the book of Densetsu, chapter 3, verse 16:
I can tell when I'm not wanted in a thread. You didn't have to be such fucking assholes about it, though.I bow out of this thread as far as this subject is concerned, now.
Don't take it that way,
We're just arguing the night away.
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Snootay: hahaha u r baned!@%$!%@!!!!
kegwen ap: ono
kegwen ap: i cry~
Snootay: Were you really pissed at me? ;P
kegwen ap: No, not really
Snootay: Then wtf is Lyinar's problem? ;P
kegwen ap: She's crusading for someone that doesn't want to be crusaded for
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Lyinar had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
My whole point, Snoota, was that Kegwen did this, X person did too, Y person, Z person, etc, etc. So if we're going to ban Kegwen, we should ban X, Y, Z as well. But when you think about it, there are a lot of X, Y, Zs who have said they use warez. Since all the X, Y, Zs can't be banned, then no one should be banned for this reason.
It's been in the rules for quite some time that you might get banned for it. Now, you do get banned for it. I have no interest in retroactively enforcing the rule, but as it was obviously a common violation of the rules (since you seem to know of so many infractions of it that you're itching to point out), enforcement from this point forward is necessary.
This "all or nothing" bullshit you seem to be advocating is exactly that: bullshit. It's exactly the same logic as saying that because a cop is nice and lets someone who was speeding off with a warning once, that nobody can ever ever ever be pulled over and ticketed for speeding again. Bullshit.
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There was much rejoicing when Motiak said this:
I think Snoota and other people are just avoiding the point that there are double standards being held here. Countless people have gotten off with warnings and suddenly kegwen gets warned with no warning at all. It would have been better to just lock the thread and put up another sticky thread saying that bannings will be occuring if warez are mentioned. I side with Lyinars opinion on the matter, so flame me if you want.
But locking the threads don't work, obviously. And what happened to Kegwen WAS a warning. If you'd notice, he was back less than ten minutes later.
[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: Piper ]
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Motiak wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
I think Snoota and other people are just avoiding the point that there are double standards being held here. Countless people have gotten off with warnings and suddenly kegwen gets warned with no warning at all. It would have been better to just lock the thread and put up another sticky thread saying that bannings will be occuring if warez are mentioned. I side with Lyinars opinion on the matter, so flame me if you want.
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A sleep deprived Lyinar stammered:
It's been the norm for a warez thread to have the rule posted, and then locked.
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Drysart responds:
Obviously that approach wasn't working.
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Comrade Snoota had this to say about Duck Tales:
But locking the threads don't work, obviously. And what happened to Kegwen WAS a warning. If you'd notice, he was back less than ten minutes later.
That was my point of making a sticky thread warning like with the timeline stuff, and even though Kegwen just came back he did lose the name he normally uses. It was just a bit extreme in my opinion
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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From the book of Comrade Snoota, chapter 3, verse 16:
But locking the threads don't work, obviously. And what happened to Kegwen WAS a warning. If you'd notice, he was back less than ten minutes later.
Heck, he sent me a private message about it between the time he was banned, I went to the bathroom, and sat back down to refresh the page.
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We were all impressed when Motiak wrote:
That was my point of making a sticky thread warning like with the timeline stuff, and even though Kegwen just came back he did lose the name he normally uses. It was just a bit extreme in my opinion
Uhm.. it's in the rules. Clearly stated. If you can't read the rules then you deserve what happens.
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From the book of Drysart, chapter 3, verse 16:
Heck, he sent me a private message about it between the time he was banned, I went to the bathroom, and sat back down to refresh the page.
You going to the bathroom? Sounds like that could've taken 10 minutes
oho! I r wittay and make a Drys potty joke!
I think that would make everything clear in the future, so everyone knows it shouldn't even be mentioned. As the rules stand now, that situation is rather ambiguous.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
I had replied to something, and suddenly... it logged me out. I was like 'wtf' and I tried logging in again... Took me back to the login screen.
I was like 'wtf' and logged in on kegwenx... and saw my flashy BANNED image.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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So quoth Lyinar:
Okay Drys. A small request then. Please put it in the rules that if you not only post warez, but make it clear you do deal in warez, you have a possibility of being banned.
Rules update:
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No warez. No serials. No cracks/cracking programs. Anything that can be used in software piracy or other illegal software activities will result in a ban. Same goes for abusing programs like mailbombers, forum and usenet flooders, and email harvesting bots. This goes for actual links to offending material, bragging about offending material, and offering offending services. This does not apply to emulators such as UOX, EQEmu, and DAOCoffline as such pieces of software do not violate Copyright Law. This also doesn't apply to MP3s (except in extenuating cases), but only because I said so.
There.
