If he says you can do something, I imagine you can do it.
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This insanity brought to you by Za'Yth:Technically,Ly, Winter's Roar isn't warez. You still need a copy of the game to play it.
Fixed typo.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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So quoth D:
Last time I checked Drysart overrides all rules. :\If he says you can do something, I imagine you can do it.
*eye's light up!*
Mr. Drysart! Mr. Drysart! Say I can fly, please! Won't you say I can fly?
EQ Windows is considered warez, too. Lots of us around here use that. You still need a copy of the game to play it, but it's just the other side of legal technically.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Dr. Vorbis thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
*eye's light up!*Mr. Drysart! Mr. Drysart! Say I can fly, please! Won't you say I can fly?
I want a witty title 
I think both Kegwen and Liam should be unbanned, but it's up to Drysart, really.
(I want to know if I can fly too 
)
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Everyone wondered WTF when Lyinar wrote:
The only reason I mentioned you, Za, was that you specifically said in your thread that you had gotten Drysart's permission, meaning it may not be exactly legal.EQ Windows is considered warez, too. Lots of us around here use that. You still need a copy of the game to play it, but it's just the other side of legal technically.
EQW isn't warez, it's third party.
And yes, I asked Drys for permission, since while it isn't explically warez, I wasn't sure on his stance on MMORPG emulation.
It's more a mod than anything else, though that isn't the correct definition either.
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Lyinar had this to say about Tron:
All right, I can give you Liam. He did post a code, from what I can understand of that post.
HIS number.
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Lyinar Model 2000 was programmed to say:
EQ Windows is considered warez, too. Lots of us around here use that. You still need a copy of the game to play it, but it's just the other side of legal technically.
Fuck no. It's not warez. Warez is software redistributed through the internet with copy protections and such removed. As for EQW itself, it doesn't violate the EULA.
Do not pass go, do not collect $200.
And I agree. I think they should be unbanned as well. I think it was a hasty decision on both Drysart and Piper's parts, but easily remedied.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
EQemu isn't warez, since you still have to have EQ to play and use it. It's, if I remember correctly a shard building type program that uses the EQ information to build your own Emulated server. It doesn't replace retail EQ in any form, which disqualifies it from being warez. I could be wrong, but I believe thats what it's about.
As far as reasoning behind Otaku being banned, he technically didn't break the rules since he made no metion of warez. He basically made a post that was nothing more than asking strategic help from friends. He could have a retail copy and asked the same question in the very same manner. So therfore, he really didn't violate the rules. If Kegwen hadn't made mention of anything, the point would have been irrelivant.
As for Liam, I don't know what he originally said. So have no clue.
I don't warez though, so my opinions really have no basis other than personal opinions on the rules as i interprited them here. And what I've seen so far.
All you have to do is get everquest.exe from someone and download the whole game, and then connect to an emu server, while SOE gets not a red cent from you.
You lose k thx la~
The whole point is, the rules weren't broken. There was the mention of warez passed, but no physical link to how to obtain it, where he got it, etc. No warez itself was posted, so I have to agree still with Suddar and mog. Kegwen did nothing to get banned.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Nobody really understood why Densetsu wrote:
Actually, EQ Emu IS warez because you DON'T have to buy the game.All you have to do is get everquest.exe from someone and download the whole game,
You can't download all of EQ from the patch servers. But yes, getting Everquest from someone else is warez. Playing on EQEmu is not warez.
It'd be illegal/warez if we distributed VI copyright files, such as the zones, .exe's, etc.
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Densetsu's account was hax0red to write:
Actually, EQ Emu IS warez because you DON'T have to buy the game.All you have to do is get everquest.exe from someone and download the whole game, and then connect to an emu server, while SOE gets not a red cent from you.
You lose k thx la~
That doesn't make EQEmu warez. It makes the copy of everquest.exe and the downloaded game you got warez.
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Drysart thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
You can't download all of EQ from the patch servers. But yes, getting Everquest from someone else is warez. Playing on EQEmu is not warez.
Exactly. Claiming EQemu is warez because you CAN play it with warez is the same as calling JK2 multiplayer warez because you can play it with a warez version.
You know I find it very funny when I've been nothing but polite and trying to be fair in all of this, and you make a comment like that.
I didn't start this thread. I agreed with the originator of it, and others who have posted on it. I've tried to have a civil discussion on the reasoning behind my support.
You, however, have contributed basically nothing to this thread but snideness and flames. Please kindly refrain from that behavior in the future, as you're not helping things at all.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Oh, and they only stopped you from downloading all of Luclin, you can still get EQ, Kunark, and Velious from the patcher.
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Densetsu wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
Actually, EQ Emu IS warez because you DON'T have to buy the game.All you have to do is get everquest.exe from someone and download the whole game, and then connect to an emu server, while SOE gets not a red cent from you.
You
losewin k thx la~
That's got nothing to do with EQEmu. Thank you, please come again.
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So quoth Densetsu:
Considering you CAN play warez copies of EQ on an emu server, but not on a live server, how does it NOT make the emu warez in any way?Oh, and they only stopped you from downloading all of Luclin, you can still get EQ, Kunark, and Velious from the patcher.
See JK2 comparision.
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Lyinar had this to say about Robocop:
SnootaYou know I find it very funny when I've been nothing but polite and trying to be fair in all of this, and you make a comment like that.
I didn't start this thread. I agreed with the originator of it, and others who have posted on it. I've tried to have a civil discussion on the reasoning behind my support.
You, however, have contributed basically nothing to this thread but snideness and flames. Please kindly refrain from that behavior in the future, as you're not helping things at all.
Yo, Lyinar. No damage was done with the banning of Kegwen or Liam. They both have the option of using alternate accounts or creating new ones. Kay?
No need to go on another of your holy crusades, unless you're going for the title Strike Two.
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Giantt spewed forth this undeniable truth:
That's got nothing to do with EQEmu. Thank you, please come again.
This statement says ntohing.
Your EQ files are altered to play on an emulated server.
You are lying out of your ass if you say nothing has to be altered. Last I checked, anything altering an game to remove the safeguards that prevent you from playing it for free, was considered Warez.
[ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: nem-x ]
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Giantt enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
No need to go on another of your holy crusades, unless you're going for the title Strike Two.
Survey says, Go ahead Lyinar.
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A sleep deprived Lyinar stammered:
You have contributed basically nothing to this thread but snideness and flames. Please kindly refrain from that behavior in the future, as you're not helping things at all.
And you're being helpful by crusading for people who don't want to be crusaded for, and trying to get innocent people banned?
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Densetsu had this to say about pies:
Your EQ files are altered to play on an emulated server.
One file is altered. It is not copyrighted.
Another file is completely new.
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Verily, Densetsu doth proclaim:
This statement says ntohing.Your EQ files are altered to play on an emulated server.
You are lying out of your ass if you say nothing has to be altered. Last I checked, anything altering an game to remove the safeguards that prevent you from playing it for free, was considered Warez.
Um.
All you have to do to play is replace eqhost.txt with ours.
(EDIT: Corrected wording) [ 05-04-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]
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Lyinar stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
I'll have to keep digging. I bet if I should old threads, I can find quite a number of people that have openly stated they use warez so they should be banned.
I'm sure that would make you very popular. Drysart and I really do enjoy banning the population of this community that has been years in the development. Why don't you go ahead and go out of your way to force the BanStick's hand.
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Densetsu had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
This statement says ntohing.Your EQ files are altered to play on an emulated server.
You are lying out of your ass if you say nothing has to be altered. Last I checked, anything altering an game to remove the safeguards that prevent you from playing it for free, was considered Warez.
Neither eqhost.txt nor spdat.eff are copyrighted.
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Giantt spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Please come again
I honestly can't say one way or the other if your program is warez or not, nor am I trying to. I pointed you out for the same reason as Otaku, because it appeared you felt somehow you dealt, or did deal, in illegal software, so you had committed the same "crime" as Kegwen.
And as far as I understand it, EQ Windows itself, technically, is not warez. Verant doesn't like it, however, because it can be used for it.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Densetsu thought about the meaning of life:
Considering you CAN play warez copies of EQ on an emu server, but not on a live server, how does it NOT make the emu warez in any way?Oh, and they only stopped you from downloading all of Luclin, you can still get EQ, Kunark, and Velious from the patcher.
Because warez assumes you can, and will join in with and affect the retail market. You cannot affect the retail market with EQEmu as far as I know. And it is an entirely different beast than the retail version. By comparison, a warezed version of a retail game is the same game used to play with retail or hacked. You cannot take part in the EQ full experience with EQEmu, because you cannot have access to the retail servers. Or connect to anyone with the complete retail resources. Only VI can control those, and EQEmu cannot be used to affect them. EQEmu is not EQ the game, only a copy of the game is EQ the game. They are two entirely different things.
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A sleep deprived Lyinar stammered:
It's been the norm for a warez thread to have the rule posted, and then locked.
Obviously that approach wasn't working.
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A sleep deprived Lyinar stammered:
If Kegwen's banned, Otaku should be banned, too. Kegwen gave Otaku warez, after all, and Otaku used it.
Otaku didn't flaunt that he was using or distributing warez.
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From the book of Densetsu, chapter 3, verse 16:
This statement says ntohing.Your EQ files are altered to play on an emulated server.
You are lying out of your ass if you say nothing has to be altered. Last I checked, anything altering an game to remove the safeguards that prevent you from playing it for free, was considered Warez.
Logic > You
warez does not mean altering the files in anyway. Warez DOES mean pirating files so that you do not have to buy the software. It is possible to play "warez" versions of EQ on live servers - it's how the guide system did it for those without expansions.
Besides, your argument is pointless since the only applicable deffiniton of warez (in this case) is that of Drysart's - which does not include emulations.
Your logic is flawed, Dense.
You are altering a file in your game that allows you to play it completely free, thus making your copy of EQ warezed for as long as you play on that server. EQemu allows this. It's like saying a CS random key generator isn't warez, but the keys it generates are.
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From the book of Za'Yth, chapter 3, verse 16:
Actually, you can play normal EQ with warez version. You just need an account.Your logic is flawed, Dense.
An account costs money. You don't need one to play on an emulated server. you are playing the game for free.
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Densetsu Model 2000 was programmed to say:
An account costs money. You don't need one to play on an emulated server. you are playing the game for free.
"The Game" is on Verant's server.
Winter's Roar is far from "The Game".
Please come back when you have a valid argument.
