I mean, sure.. I'd try it. But it's not something -I- would bring up, heh.

I've known both types of "bisexual" to be honest. Doesn't phase me to see a friend of my mom's with a guy. He (my mom's friend) is a great guy to just hang out with. Yes he's been married before. He's had other boyfriends. He has a boyfriend he considers his husband now. Whoopee.

I've also seen a LOT of "bisexuals" who are in it for the kinky sex. Nothing wrong with that in general issue. So long as all parties are okay with it and no-one is hurt or the like (more than they want to be, I guess, heh), then it's not anyone else's business.

But in any case a person shouldn't assume. Just because Gal A is bisexual doesn't mean a guy is automatically comfortable with bringing other women in. And vice versa. It's easy to get jealous in circumstances. And some folks mental trigger is just set to "monogamous" and nothing's going to change that. And it's not right to try and force things on others. or arrange things to try and "convince" them. I know I'd be fucking pissed if Lyinar tried to bring a third person into our relationship, guy OR girl. She knows how I feel about that stuff, and knows it's a relationship-breaker. But she knows that because we talked about it.

So! to Seu I would say don't sweat it too much. Let the dolts weed themself out, and just do things your way the way you always have and probably always will. If someone's worth it, and a friend, you can try to explain it, but if not then let them fade into the background idiocy.

But I'll admit to being a little softer in general towards women. Women are the same way with guys, calling them "hon" or casually saying they love them "as friends". I think some men are in general preset to do the stereotypical old man twinkle of the eye at young women. It's harmless and means nothing. Just being sweet.

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How.... Comrade Snoota.... uughhhhhh:
Hey Deth, do you know how to make a short post?

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No

You are wrong, 'Sage.

Chivalry isn't waiting on women hand in foot.

And Klo, Chivalry isn't being a door mat.

Chivalry, is, simply, defending and helping those weaker then you. Be it Man, woman, or child. Period.

When I was 15, I was at Pennsic. I saw a young woman bein followed buy a guy, who she kept turning around and telling him to quit following her. As he got more persistant, she cried out. I have never seen the knights and other gentles (not all of the knights were women) take the fellow, pack his things, and escort him offsite.

When I was 14, this 40 some year old creep would not leave me alone. People who I didn't know got me away into someone else's tent, where he couldn't find me, and threw him out of camp.

Last year, a man was being harried by several others. It was coming close to the several others beating the shit out of him, when several of my friends stepped in. They don't and didn't know the guy.

I was carrying things from my mother's car to my cabin, and had both hands compleely full of fabric, and clothing, and things I couldn't put on the ground. Someone who I have no idea who he was bbroke from his party, sprinted over, and opened the door.

He then left.

You help when it's needed. THAT'S chivalry.

And I know this is largely SCA experience... but it still applies.

http://sca.org/goodbye.cgi?url=http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cathedral/4800/index.htmlhttp://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/cariadoc/knighthood.html

What it emans to be a true knight.

[edit] Wrong link. Whups.[/edit]

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Maradön? stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
You're kidding right?

If someone were to say "This is gay" and you go off on a page and a half of profanity and personal insult, and maybe a few remarks about homophobia is wrong, the original poster isn't the initiator

Face it sage, you go around looking for chances to flame people.

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Find a single instance of what you claim.

I never flame someone in the manner you suggest, except after a direct, personal attack. I defy you to find a single instance where I have flamed someone who was being polite.

So either provide a link, or retract your statement.

You've deliberately chosen to misinterpret my use of the term.

You'll notice I differentiated my use from common courtesies, and that I dealt only with the sexist aspects. Additionally, all of the additional rituals surrounding male/female interaction under the code of chivalry arose because women were assumed to be weak, and to need extra protection.

My point stands: helping the weak regardless of sex is quite another matter than the one I was discussing.

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Bloodsage thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Find a single instance of what you claim.

I never flame someone in the manner you suggest, except after a direct, personal attack. I defy you to find a single instance where I have flamed someone who was being polite.

So either provide a link, or retract your statement.

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Y'know.

Through this entire discussion I was sitting and waiting for someone not even in it to step in randomly and say "Bloodsage, you are such a mean poopiehead."

I was right.

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Bloodsage had this to say about Duck Tales:
The funny thing is, people do that, then blame me when the conversation goes downhill from there.

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Hot damn.

You're Canada.

However, I find myself holding doors for people, always asking someone to go first, still sticking my nose into fights or arguments, even for people I don’t like. My reaction to anything negative is an immediate “I’m Sorry” (In truth, this is bad, because it makes my apologies seem insincere and less meaningful), and I’m generally regarded as a polite, well-spoken, courteous, if somewhat unkempt, young man.

I don’t think I have much gender bias (though everyone has at least some), but I still offer to pay my date’s dinner and expenses. I still pull out her chair, and help her in and out of the car. I still carry my girlfriend’s things so she doesn’t have to.

‘Sage is right, showing particular courtesy towards a females is usually a tradition from a mostly bygone era (“An civilization that is now… Gone with the wind.” Cue music) where it was assumed women were weaker than men and needed the support and that they were some ethereal creatures foreign to man and too delicate for the world. However, generally, when it’s not that, there’s also the fact that many men, subconsciously or consciously, want to “get in the girl’s pants”.

I do help women out more than men. I’m also more likely to see women who appear to need help (carrying large objects, etc). I more readily extend help to someone who seems to need it than someone who doesn’t. If I do help out men with things like chairs, they would probably start to look at me funny… Simple things such as holding a door though is no big deal, and is just a courtesy that should be done for either gender.

And as for the whole Threesome thing… A lot of relationships are ruined by a couple bringing in a third party as experimentation as it’s generally difficult to divide attention and preference evenly among the three people. You can see this even in a group of three friends, especially as little kids. I remember having two great friends in Middle School, but one person almost always felt left out, or betrayed in arguments.

I have no idea what my point was, and I kind of skipped pages three and four. Oh well.

Delphi, I dont see it as an unhealthy obsession. Moreso.. I feel its just a shared fantasy among men. And with poor people like Seu, knowing what they do about her.. they feel like they could actually attain that fantasy, without finding out first what Seu's actual stance is on relationships, both emotionally and physically. They dont stop and think with the proper head, so to speak. *smiles and bows*

*gets off her little soapbox and scampers off*