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Bloodsage thought about the meaning of life:
I said online relationships are less rich and textured than personal ones. No one has argued the point, but many have flamed me for it.
Not less rich and textured, just differently rich and textured. But then, every relationship is differently rich and textured.
Piper and I, for example, have an online relationship in addition to our offline relationship, even though we live in the same house and can interact on a personal level all we want. If it was lesser we wouldn't bother wasting our time with it.
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Drysart thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Belittling it just because it's online is ignorant; but at the same time, saying it's the best thing since sliced bread is just as ignorant.
But in the end...aren't we all ignorant? Come on. Group hug..
Ozius
/tongueincheek
Care to address the perceived hypocrisy of my "testimonial" being irrelevant and Piper's being relevant, Mr. Sage?
Kagrama for President. 
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Bloodsage Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I said online relationships are less rich and textured than personal ones. No one has argued the point, but many have flamed me for it.
Many people will disagree that they are less rich because its either all they've ever known of relationships, or its better than any real relationship they have been in.
These opinions might change with further exposure to nitty gritty life.
BTW, technically Drysart and I met online 3 years ago.
You are aware, I hope, that saying true love, as a rule, is not possible, is not the same as claiming that all online relationships are doomed to failure?
Everyone here has agreed that the ultimate goal of an online relationship is to turn into a personal one. Not all such fail. But true love--to blaaaave, if you will--(I've added the correct emphasis for you) isn't possible without the added depth possible only through direct, personal contact and communication.
As I said earlier, the seed may be planted online, but it blooms only in person.
Due not, as some have elected to infer, to any inferiority of those involved in such relationships, but rather from limitations of the medium itself. Which we've discussed at length.
Does that clarify things?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Check out the big brain on Bloodsage!
Does that clarify things?
Big wurds hurt braen, i go ly down.
HUMOUR DISLCIAMER
Ozius
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D thought about the meaning of life:
Big wurds hurt braen, i go ly down.
To add in my two cents: I think you're all fat old men who pretend to be girls! 
HUEMOUR! Taht is hwow the BRITSHI spell it!
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Piper got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Many people will disagree that they are less rich because its either all they've ever known of relationships, or its better than any real relationship they have been in.These opinions might change with further exposure to nitty gritty life.
BTW, technically Drysart and I met online 3 years ago.
I agree Ms. Piper. I still say it's possible to be truly in love before that wonderful meeting in an airport/bus station terminal.
I also believe online and real life relationships shouldn't be categorized in a "column A and column B" type of thinking. I respectfully disagree with 'Sage's assertion that it's not true love without meeting the person in person.
HEY BS! I have news for you, people on this board CAN read, DO have valid opinions that differ from yours, and are a fairly intellegent group of people.
I agreed that an in person relationship wasn't replaceable, yes. YET I also point out that the other mediums can do the trick as well . I ALSO point out that an Online Relationship with progress into an "In Person" Relationship. But in the case of mine, even though it is "In Person" it is still online. Your statements were inferring that we shouldnt even let something that developed online happen. That we should just wait for it to happen in person instead. WRONG! It doesnt work that way.
You have no clue what sort of emotions are felt on what levels in an online relationship. You just *THINK* you know. That is all you can ever do BS. Live with the fact that maybe our experiences can explain something better then yours. And you know what else... We could explain it to you 24/7 for a million years and I can safely bet you will NEVER understand it. Because love isnt something you can explain, it is an experience. You trying to place reason on the subject is stupid at best.
You dont outright say anything derogatory until someone decides to catch you on it. You INFER everything, then resort to the insults because that is the chicken shit you are. Get off your god damn high horse.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Mr. Parcelan was all like:
I would like to know why the state where I live was mentioned...do people want to come visit me? Preferrably without weapons of bodily harm?To add in my two cents: I think you're all fat old men who pretend to be girls!
HUEMOUR! Taht is hwow the BRITSHI spell it!
You forgot one more thing that connects us:
We all have a deep lust for you.
Come here sugar daddy.
Ozius
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Drysart had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Not less rich and textured, just differently rich and textured. But then, every relationship is differently rich and textured.Piper and I, for example, have an online relationship in addition to our offline relationship, even though we live in the same house and can interact on a personal level all we want. If it was lesser we wouldn't bother wasting our time with it.
I'll cede part of the point: online interaction can become part of the rich tapestry of a personal relationship.
Would you be just as happy if you had no personal interaction with Piper, though? Which one would you trade for the other?
{edit: embarassing typo reversed meanings} [ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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So quoth Bloodsage:
I'll cede part of the point: online interaction can become part of the rich tapestry of a personal relationship.Would you be just as happy if you had no personal interaction with Piper, though? Which one would you trade for the other?
{edit: embarassing typo reversed meanings}
That's part of our point, Mr. 'Sage. You seem to be neglecting the fact that those of us in online relationship indeed plan to meet our SOs in person when it's feasible. It's just not fair to say it's not real just because we haven't yet.
Well, he got to the train station, and had flowers and a book and everything, and suddenly there was this chick in front of him. she was like, an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10. Hot as hell and twice as sexy. But she didn't have that pink carnation. She walked past and said something like "Going my way, soldier?" But then he saw this fat old broad with a carnation in her pocket, so he went to the old chick, and said hi and introduced himself and shit.
Then the old chick said that the hot babe was the one who gave her the carnation, and that she was in the bar across the street.
That was the end of the story, but I think that the soldier dude got laid that night.
True love is found in a cheap bottle of wine, $50 and an erection.
Ozius
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Pesco had this to say about Tron:
What am I talking about? I'm talking about how you can subtly insult people and you try to get away with it. You've ALWAYS done that. Then, when someone calls you on it, you resort to posts like that. Frankly, I'm fed up with it and so are alot of others.HEY BS! I have news for you, people on this board CAN read, DO have valid opinions that differ from yours, and are a fairly intellegent group of people.
I agreed that an in person relationship wasn't replaceable, yes. YET I also point out that the other mediums can do the trick as well . I ALSO point out that an Online Relationship with progress into an "In Person" Relationship. But in the case of mine, even though it is "In Person" it is still online. Your statements were inferring that we shouldnt even let something that developed online happen. That we should just wait for it to happen in person instead. WRONG! It doesnt work that way.
You have no clue what sort of emotions are felt on what levels in an online relationship. You just *THINK* you know. That is all you can ever do BS. Live with the fact that maybe our experiences can explain something better then yours. And you know what else... We could explain it to you 24/7 for a million years and I can safely bet you will NEVER understand it. Because love isnt something you can explain, it is an experience. You trying to place reason on the subject is stupid at best.
You dont outright say anything derogatory until someone decides to catch you on it. You INFER everything, then resort to the insults because that is the chicken shit you are. Get off your god damn high horse.
You should invest in a dictionary dipshit, because it's obvious you've no idea what you're actually saying.
"Infer" is something you do fuckchop. And you certainly have been inferring a lot that doesn't exist in anything I've said.
If you can't conduct a polite conversation on an abstract subject without assuming everyone else is discussing you in particular, it's your failure.
Nice of you to tell me, though, what I'm always thinking, and always trying to get away with. You're psychic, along with these mysterious "others"?
Or is it that you claim to be more adept at interpreting text than I am at creating it? I'd be happy to compare credential on either point, but your gross buffoonery with respect to the word "infer" ruins your credibility in this arena. Rather completely.
And you've yet to point to where I've said a single derogatory thing about a particular relationship. Vague accusations of hidden meanings won't disguise your inability to do so.
You're an embarassment, Pesco, so I won't continue. But you should step back, take a deep breath, and compose yourself. If you have a point other than you don't like me--and I don't give a flying fuck about that--feel free to re-engage when you're less overcome by your obvious emotion.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Give it up, man. It's war. We can't help. Come on, I'll get some a drink, maybe a bite to eat.
Ozius
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Mightion Defensor said:
I think, D, that 'Sage's point is that an online relationship without love is possible./tongueincheek
Care to address the perceived hypocrisy of my "testimonial" being irrelevant and Piper's being relevant, Mr. Sage?
Kagrama for President.
Sorry, dude: I meant to address this point on the last page, but got caught up in other things.
There is a difference between making a point through logic, then providing an example, and arguing solely through testimonials.
One can often find people--sometimes several or many--who have defied tremendous odds to succeed. That's why I used the lottery example: there is no way to argue through fact that spending money on the lottery is a good investment, but parading a series of winners in front of an audience may mask the horrendous odds and make the proposition attractive.
It's okay to use an example or analogy to complement a point made through other means. When the example is the only evidence, however, one should be very skeptical.
I hope that better explains what I was saying.
BTW, in reply to your early comment regarding the wine analogy--I assure you, it was aimed as a characterization of the abstract quality of the relationship, and not a comment on any particular people or category of people.
We had earlier agreed that personal relationships have more depth and texture, and, being a collector of wines, I chose that example, since a fine wine has more depth and texture, more nuances of color, aroma and flavor than an inferior wine. I chose those brands because they are widely recognized.
I've no need or desire to be secretive or passive-aggressive. If I object to someone or something, I've no problem calling them by name and telling them exactly what I think. When have I ever not?
Anyway, hope that answers your question(s). 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Mightion Defensor stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
That's part of our point, Mr. 'Sage. You seem to be neglecting the fact that those of us in online relationship indeed plan to meet our SOs in person when it's feasible. It's just not fair to say it's not real just because we haven't yet.
Actually, I've referenced that point several times.
If you agree that the goal is to have a personal relationship, and that the relationship is brought to fruition through personal contact, then what are we arguing about?
I've stated all along that where or how one meets isn't really relevant, and that it's perfectly okay to meet online.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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This one time, at Khyron camp:
I think Bloodsage should get a job as a stand-up comedian!
I thought your earlier story was going to be like The Crying Game. I'm glad it wasn't.
/shudder
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Calm down, look at how much you post, your going to have a brain hemorrhage! 
Ozius
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D had this to say about Robocop:
Big wurds hurt braen, i go ly down.
I was hoping the Princess Bride reference would soften the blow.
Sorry.
{edit: pwned by my own typing!} [ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Ozimander J. Griswald painfully thought these words up:
Bloodsage!Calm down, look at how much you post, your going to have a brain hemorrhage!
Ozius
Nah. This is fun. As long as the flamers lay off, though that's fun in its place, too.
This is nothing, compared to Whineplay, though.
Well, let me take that back. EC is in every way better than Whineplay, and is an actual community rather than a huge gathering of whiney morons trying to ruin EQ.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Khyron had this to say about the Spice Girls:
I once read a story about a dude who was at war, and was like, being shot at and shit. And he had a pen-pal, and they became close, then best buds. And he fell in love with her. But she wouldn't send him a picture. Eventually the war ended, and she agreed to meet him. She said she'd wear a pink carnation and that would let him know it's her.Well, he got to the train station, and had flowers and a book and everything, and suddenly there was this chick in front of him. she was like, an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10. Hot as hell and twice as sexy. But she didn't have that pink carnation. She walked past and said something like "Going my way, soldier?" But then he saw this fat old broad with a carnation in her pocket, so he went to the old chick, and said hi and introduced himself and shit.
Then the old chick said that the hot babe was the one who gave her the carnation, and that she was in the bar across the street.
That was the end of the story, but I think that the soldier dude got laid that night.
He offered to take the older lady to dinner, that's when she told him that the hot chick was the pen pal. The hot chick did it as a test to see if the soldier was driven by lust or if he really cared for her as a person. It was a character test.
I doubt you'll find any super models performing such tests IRL, though.
-Tok
I heard stories.
Ozius
If she's going to test you like that when first you meet, think how she'll react when you're married and you're not home on time!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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How.... Toktuk.... uughhhhhh:
He offered to take the older lady to dinner, that's when she told him that the hot chick was the pen pal. The hot chick did it as a test to see if the soldier was driven by lust or if he really cared for her as a person. It was a character test.I doubt you'll find any super models performing such tests IRL, though.
-Tok
DO NOT SHATTER MY DREAMS YOU BIG STINKY SHREK WANNABE!
Don't worry about them super models, 'cause...
I can't see lovin' nobody but you for all my life!
When your with me, baby, the skies will be blue for all my life!
Eh, come on, you knew I'd do something ridiculous!
Ozius [ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: Ozimander J. Griswald ]
I never said my grammar was prefect, bitch. So nice of you to point something out I already knew though.
And I did point out what you implied concerning the Dom Perignon vs. Boone's Farm statements.
BTW... In my eyes, you're the embarassment here. Why? I already told you and I dont like to repeat myself.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Tron:
Actually, I've referenced that point several times.If you agree that the goal is to have a personal relationship, and that the relationship is brought to fruition through personal contact, then what are we arguing about?
I've stated all along that where or how one meets isn't really relevant, and that it's perfectly okay to meet online.
Well, what we're discussing is that I believe it's possible to love someone completely without having met them yet. I believe it's possible to love someone enough to want to spend your life with them without meeting in person yet.
Braen starting to hurt. Me go play EQ now.
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Khyron was naked while typing this:
DO NOT SHATTER MY DREAMS YOU BIG STINKY SHREK WANNABE!
Look, I've asked plenty of super models to test me, and all I have to show for it is this big list of restraining orders.
Oz, we can never be together, I'm sorry, you'd turn me into the abusive type.
-Tok
Do I make you become violent?
Are my eyes to big?
Where do babies come from?
Ozius
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How.... Pesco.... uughhhhhh:
Pesco laughs.I never said my grammar was prefect, bitch. So nice of you to point something out I already knew though.
And I did point out what you implied concerning the Dom Perignon vs. Boone's Farm statements.
BTW... In my eyes, you're the embarassment here. Why? I already told you and I dont like to repeat myself.
So you admit to being grammatically incompetent, but still presume to tell me what I meant to say?
You're an idiot.
As I've explained, I implied no such thing. You did, indeed, infer it, which was your error.
Too fucking stupid simply to ask a question and receive clarification, as others have done quite successfully, you instead chose to flame me.
You chose poorly. Because you're an idiot.
Unfortunately, there's nothing I can do, short of bowing to your incompetence with the English language, to protect you from yourself with regard to misinterpreting rather straightforward abstract arguments as some kind of personal assault.
Because you're an idiot.
Perhaps you should try supporting some of your accusations with something besides your (psychic, presumably) evaluation of what I really meant by what I said. Last I checked, I'm the sole authority on what I mean when I speak.
If you're able, being an idiot, and all.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Ex-girlfriend. Knew her in person. Was absolutely certain I loved her. Was prepared to marry her eventually. Thought I knew everything about her: what she liked, what she didn't like, what made her happy, what made her sad. She didn't like playing games with me. Hell, I couldn't talk to her for more than an hour before I just wanted to get off the phone. I could only enjoy spending time with her in person. She was so horribly boring otherwise. But I loved her. Then she dumped with an email and is dating a tattoo artist. Total opposite of what she was to me.
Then I met Tori. I've never actually seen Tori. Hell, I've never even heard her voice. But I can sit and just talk with her for hours on end and not even notice the time slip by. I can play games with her and she won't get bored. I can tell her anything and she won't think any less of me. I love Tori with every fiber of my being. My love for my ex is not even a fraction of what I feel for Tori. I don't care how she looks. I don't care how she sounds. If I meet her and find out she's really 3 foot tall and paraplegic, it wouldn't bother me. It's be weird, for sure, but it's not her looks that I love.
If you call that 'less rich and textured,' then... fuck, man. I have nothing to say to that.
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So quoth Mightion Defensor:
Well, what we're discussing is that I believe it's possible to love someone completely without having met them yet.I believe it's possible to love someone enough to want to spend your life with them without meeting in person yet.
Braen starting to hurt. Me go play EQ now.
Well, since you've restated your position as a matter of faith, I won't argue with you.
{edit: word choice for clarity} [ 04-23-2002: Message edited by: Bloodsage ]
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
