I said if you like that sort of thing, to go with PS2. I don't happen to like that sort of thing, and I'm not ashamed of my opinion.

Not, as others had done, that such things were objectively bad. Which is dishonest, as I pointed out.

So fuck off if you can't tell the difference.

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Lyinar impressed everyone with:

You say people that think XBox games are crap just think that cause they don't like them.

But then you go on to insult Japanese RPGS by calling them annoying. You might think that, but by your own statement, that doesn't make them bad.

Don't contradict yourself

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GC > Xbox, yo

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This insanity brought to you by Bloodsage:
Those who say most X-Box games are crap don't know what they're talking about. What they mean is that they don't like them.

So, if you like the annoying Japanese RPGs, go PS2. But if you're looking for something aimed squarely at an adult market, think about X-Box.

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So can we assume you don't know what your talking about, because you think japanese RPG's are annoying? When what you mean is, you don't like annoying Japanese RPG's.

No different than any of us calling X-Box games crap, if we don't like them. Doesn't have anything to do with us not knowing what we're talking about.

I find the games bland and boring for the most part, but thats just me. I don't expect a company to cater to me. I choose what company to use that has what I want. Racing games, and sports games do nothing for me. Ditto for the Abe/Munch series. But thats just my preference. Some people like those, and they are entitled to like em. As I am entitled to like mine..

And Maradon. Bite me.

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Tegadil thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
GC > Xbox, yo

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Tegadil was naked while typing this:
GC > Xbox, yo

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I have to agree, actually. For my preferences, the XBox doesn't have a lot to offer me just yet. But I saw the previews for the new Starfox game on GC at Wal-mart, and it really looks like such a neat game.

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Faeth Es'Braewyn had this to say about Optimus Prime:
So can we assume you don't know what your talking about, because you think japanese RPG's are annoying? When what you mean is, you don't like annoying Japanese RPG's.

No different than any of us calling X-Box games crap, if we don't like them. Doesn't have anything to do with us not knowing what we're talking about.

I find the games bland and boring for the most part, but thats just me. I don't expect a company to cater to me. I choose what company to use that has what I want. Racing games, and sports games do nothing for me. Ditto for the Abe/Munch series. But thats just my preference. Some people like those, and they are entitled to like em. As I am entitled to like mine..

And Maradon. Bite me.

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You fail to see the important difference, which is that I not only acknowledge my opinion as an opinion, but do not require everyone else to agree with it.

As you and others have done, with lame attempts to pass of your personal gaming preference as some kind of objective analysis of the games and platform.

You never said anything remotely close to "I don't like that kind of game, but if you do, then X-Box is the right system."

So don't pretend you did--that's even more dishonest than your first round of crap.

X-Box is a great system with great games--just like PS2 or GC. It just depends upon what style of games one likes.

I find Japanese-style RPGs annoying as hell, boring, and rather stupid. But at least I'm honest enough to recognize that as a personal preference, and recommend PS2 if that's the kind of game someone likes.

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We were all impressed when Bloodsage wrote:
You fail to see the important difference, which is that I not only acknowledge my opinion as an opinion, but do not require everyone else to agree with it.

As you and others have done, with lame attempts to pass of your personal gaming preference as some kind of objective analysis of the games and platform.

You never said anything remotely close to "I don't like that kind of game, but if you do, then X-Box is the right system."

So don't pretend you did--that's even more dishonest than your first round of crap.

X-Box is a great system with great games--just like PS2 or GC. It just depends upon what style of games one likes.

I find Japanese-style RPGs annoying as hell, boring, and rather stupid. But at least I'm honest enough to recognize that as a personal preference, and recommend PS2 if that's the kind of game someone likes.

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Actually I did exactly that, by breaking down each system that I own, respectively. And including a majority of opiniated responces with plenty of "I don't think," or "I wouldn't..", and are noted as such.

And protecting yourself, because you added an "If you like..." Line to your statement doesn't mean anything. It's no more a valid than anyone else just because of that. Thats just being anal on the way someone words something, and a thread like this is purely opinion in the first place. So there's no reason to bring that into it, because someone forgot to add a few words. It doesn't make them dishonest.

And on my responce to the original reply, I did exactly what you did at the end of this reply, which was give a broken down explaination of my dislike.

If you wanna get anal about wording or someones view of an opinion, well fine. But at least admit to being anal about it.

The rest of the world doesn't really care. Just don't assume the rest of us don't understand something because it differs from you.

Thats the Mech Console controller. Yes, as in the thing you use to play with.

I REMEMBERED THE NAME DAVIDSON!

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I'd like to feel sorry that you're unable, for whatever the reason, to appreciate various subtleties of expression, but I can't. I'm sure someone, somewhere, is crying for you though, so don't feel bad.

And nowhere in your earlier bunch of tripe did you say anything approaching, "They're not my style, but if you like that kind of thing, they're quite good." Instead, you made a blanket statement that the games themselves sucked.

Not the same thing at all.

So quit trying to split verbal hairs with me: you aren't qualified.

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So you're the only one now that can completely bash whatever you don't like, but if anyone else does it, they don't know what they're talking about? Oh, and no other kind of game is "adult" unless you like it, right?

That is how you are being a hypocrite

And there is quite a difference in saying I find a certain category of game annoying, but others may like it, and in saying all games on a given platform suck, and therefore no one should buy it.

If you can't tell the difference between the two things, you should slap yourself upside the head for being slow, rather than try to flame me for your inability to distinguish.

So, stop, Sage. What I'm getting on you for is prejudging an entire system, simply because you don't like *one* type of game available for it. And I'm only doing that because you jumped up everyone's ass for doing exactly that against the X-Box, prejudging it because they didn't like X or Y games for it.

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Bloodsage's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
What unsophisticated, lazy thinkers call "anal about wording," people with a clue describe as precision in expression.

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Some people with a clue, can also make a substantial argument without always being condesending to the opponet on a high horse. But thats a different issue entirely.

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Bloodsage:
And nowhere in your earlier bunch of tripe did you say anything approaching, "They're not my style, but if you like that kind of thing, they're quite good." Instead, you made a blanket statement that the games themselves sucked.

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X-Box: This system, is purely for eye candy, at the moment at least. The games for the system are far and away exceptionally bland. And it's lineup is pretty small. It has the most theoretical power of each system, but with advanced methods, PS2 comes close, and in some cases GameCube excels. It is still, harware wise, the more powerful of the three. It's future, as far as developed software also isn't so bright, but thats up to interpritation. DoA3 = Every Other DoA with new characters and flashier looks, Halo = Boring, and no differen't than any other shooter before it with the exception of better looks. At this point, I would say, X-Box is not worth the money. Now if they refine things, imporve thier lineup, and cheapen the price. Then maybe, but not right now.

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I find the games bland and boring for the most part, but thats just me. I don't expect a company to cater to me. I choose what company to use that has what I want. Racing games, and sports games do nothing for me. Ditto for the Abe/Munch series. But thats just my preference. Some people like those, and they are entitled to like em. As I am entitled to like mine..

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Bold, for your convience. A statement defining all of the above as my opinion, and including a definitive statement that people are entitled to like said games. And no where in your statement did you say "They're not my style, but if you like that kind of game, they are quite good."

You statement was:

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So, if you like the annoying Japanese RPGs, go PS2

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Which says nothing about them being "quite good." if you like them. It just says go with the PS2 if you like them, and still labels them annoying.

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So quit trying to split verbal hairs with me: you aren't qualified.

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Lyinar had this to say about Optimus Prime:
You've delegated the PS2 to nothing but annoying Japanese RPGs. You're biasing an entire system based on your experiences with one type of game for it. There are "adult-oriented" games for the PS2 as well. And those annoying Japanese RPGs can contain quite adult situations as well. Just because something has more blood, more violence, or more nudity, does NOT automatically make it a more mature, adult, or better game.

So, stop, Sage. What I'm getting on you for is prejudging an entire system, simply because you don't like *one* type of game available for it. And I'm only doing that because you jumped up everyone's ass for doing exactly that against the X-Box, prejudging it because they didn't like X or Y games for it.

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You really should point to where I claimed either that those types were the only games available for PS2, or any categorical statement whatsoever regarding PS2.

Because I did neither.

You are simply projecting motivation upon me to have something to bitch about.

All I did was list positive things about X-Box games, since no one else had bothered. Typical of you to take one throw-away line, misinterpret it, then start a flame war, though.

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Some people with a clue, can also make a substantial argument without always being condesending to the opponet on a high horse. But thats a different issue entirely.

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This is why you're not qualified to split verbal hairs, especially with me.

This is so poorly written and concieved it's nearly incomprehensible.

What, for example, does it mean to be "condesending [sic] to the opponent on a high horse"? If my opponent was on a high horse, that would mean he was the one attempting to be condescending, wouldn't it?

And WTF is with the random comma after "clue"? Is there some mystical meaning you hope to impart via random punctuation, or do you simply not know what you're doing with respect to the language?

Which then answers your earlier question about why precision in expression is a good thing. And shows rather dramatically that poorly worded, imprecise expressions cause more trouble than they're worth.

And make you look stupid in the process.

Simply because I choose my words with care, and they mean no more and no less than I intend, does not make me condescending. Quite the contrary, in fact: your reaction shows nothing more than the depth of your insecurity.

There is nothing inherently condescending about proper usage.

And sorry, but stating after the fact what you meant to say in your original, poorly-expressed opinion hardly atones for the earlier sin. You may have meant to say what you claim, but that's not what you said.

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Check out the big brain on Lyinar!
I will give you that you didn't say that they were the only games available. However, with your statement about annoying Japanese RPGs, you *have* tried to downgrade the quality of the PS2. If you can give me something else besides a dislike of Japanese RPGs that makes you choose the X-Box over the PS2, then I might think you have a point. PS2 has shooters, racing games, sports games, puzzle games, strategy games, etc, that you've not given your opinion on. It's all well and good to say when you like a particular system, but when your entire tone is putting it far and above others and the only reason you give is that you dislike the RPGs, then you sound no better than people that dislike X-Box because of game platforms they don't like on it.

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I don't care to denigrate PS2. It's a fine system, if you like the games, and don't mind buying last-generation technology.

The line regarding Japanese RPGs was simply to acknowledge one of the major complaints about X-Box--it doesn't have FF-style RPGs. I dislike that kind of game, so I don't see that as a downside, but a surprising number of people seem to think that makes the console somehow inferior.

It doesn't.

When I bought my X-Box, it was with a look to the future. Most people touting PS2 quote the past.

And X-Box's current lineup is quite fun. As I said. Many awesome games are due out in the near future, as well.

The key to buying a new console is to look both currently and to the future. I did, and bought an X-Box.

I'm quite happy with it, and quite tired of clueless morons claiming to have objective proof that it sucks, and its games are somehow inferior. I'm not the least bit sorry for my opinions, or of not being nice to those who spout uninformed bullshit.

And because I lack grammar makes me no less capable of a verbal debate. And your tone is what makes you condesending, which doesn't effect any insecurities I may have. Because you have a hard time understanding what I mean by what I say, is no different from anyone having a hard time understanding what you say. Makes no difference to me. The original point still stands, and that is, you labeled a game annoying and tried to justify it after the fact, and claimed those who did the same had no clue.

I happen to have a clue. I own all the systems, and have played games from various genres. To me, the X Box is the least impressive. I am entitled to say that.

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Verily, Faeth Es'Braewyn doth proclaim:
The first quote was from my first statement here, and I did clearly state them all as my opinion. With the "I would say". As in here comes my opinion, at the end of the statement.

And because I lack grammar makes me no less capable of a verbal debate. And your tone is what makes you condesending, which doesn't effect any insecurities I may have. Because you have a hard time understanding what I mean by what I say, is no different from anyone having a hard time understanding what you say. Makes no difference to me. The original point still stands, and that is, you labeled a game annoying and tried to justify it after the fact, and claimed those who did the same had no clue.

I happen to have a clue. I own all the systems, and have played games from various genres. To me, the X Box is the least impressive. I am entitled to say that.

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Define "tone" with respect to written text. The way you're using it, it's something you're projecting onto my words, rather than anything I put there.

And, yes, your inability with the language does render you less able to carry on verbal debate. Pretty much by definition.

Additionnaly, when I don't understand what you mean, it's due entirely to your inability to express yourself. It is your failure.

It is exactly the opposite of your lame sputtering about how I shouldn't bother to distinguish precise meanings because it makes me somehow condescending. Your failure to understand me stems from your inability or unwillingness to interpret distinct meanings, as you proved with your comical rant regarding "anal word choice." As if choosing words precisely was somehow bad.

Again, your failure.

In summary, quit flaming me because you suck.

Just because you can neither express yourself clearly, nor understand those of us who do, is no reason to get upset. Except at yourself.

I love all systems and platforms. Why can't you?

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See the problem? It was a flame. You started it. Now end it. Peacefully. I'm tired of seeing virtually every thread you touch turn into a flame war based around semantics and grammar. I even get tired of it when you're on the same "side" as I am.

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Bloodsage got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
No, fuckchop, the games are more "adult," because they are aimed specifically at an older audience. Hence the controller size, also.

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But, doesn't the demand for third party controllers of different sizes for the game systems prove that you can't judge the appeal of the games by the size of the controllers the system comes with?

(Translation: It don't take big hands to have fun with "the game". )

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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Cuba:
Here's the problem with what you say and mean, Sage. Often times, X is what you say and Y is what you mean. Look at your post about the PS2. Install "Lame ass race game" where you put "Japanese RPG's" and switch PS2 for X-Box.

See the problem? It was a flame. You started it. Now end it. Peacefully. I'm tired of seeing virtually every thread you touch turn into a flame war based around semantics and grammar. I even get tired of it when you're on the same "side" as I am.

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No, but thanks for telling me what I mean.

I said exactly what I meant, and what I meant had nothing to do with the way you've chosen to interpret it. Nor did I "start" anything.

So back the fuck off.

I didn't review PS2 at all. Others have done that. All I did was provide my impression of the system I like. As I said, the PS2 line was a throw-away.

Kinda silly to get bent out of shape about it. And really annoying to tell me what I mean.

Here's a better idea: you start listening when I tell you what I mean. Unless you'd like to share with us whatever psychic credentials you feel qualify you to tell me what I mean when I say something?

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Bloodsage had this to say about Captain Planet:

Unless you'd like to share with us whatever psychic credentials

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