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Topic: Jokes, and how they get old.
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:20:49 AM
Today, we're going to talk anout the nature of jokes.

See, when someone thinks up something witty, they go "oh HO look wut i found". And people laugh. Funny funny. It's a trend for a while, but THEN something happens!

The joke gets old. It's no longer new. It's no longer witty. It is old.

Most people drop it, and go searching for a replacement.

But see, some people lack this thing called "pattern recognition". They cannot grasp the concept of a joke outliving itself, and keep it alive. Keep it going. Until it's FAR up the throat of the joke's unfortunate victim.

Thus is the case with D and yaoi.

Thus was the case with Deth and hitting of Ly.

Thus was the case with Parc and praire dog punting.

HOW TO RECOGNIZE AN OLD JOKE:

Check the joke against this list. You get one point per checked part of the list. If you get at least two points, this is an old joke.

- Less than two people are laughing. You can't count yourself.
- The joke originated more than two weeks ago.
- The target of the joke appears actually pissed off.
- The target of the joke have repetedly asked people to stop. (This one gives two points).

I hope this is to some help, and good board reading to you all.

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Il Buono
You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend.
posted 03-19-2002 10:22:25 AM
Roxor.
"Those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig."
very important poster
a sweet title
posted 03-19-2002 10:23:06 AM
quote:
Za'Yth wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
HOW TO RECHOGNIZE AN OLD JOKE

You and your "rechognize"
Regardless, you're right. Therefore, the drunk dane joke has to die too. La~

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Giantt ]

hey
Addy
posted 03-19-2002 10:24:12 AM
Zaza rocks.

And Jens is really a Swede.

Canadian Mountee
Rumble Pak+FMV Sequence=FUN!
posted 03-19-2002 10:24:27 AM
Is the whole "Making fun of Liam every chance they get" joke old yet?
The World is Yours
nem-x
posted 03-19-2002 10:24:45 AM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Aeadil!
Is the whole "Making fun of Liam every chance they get" joke old yet?

Never!

very important poster
a sweet title
posted 03-19-2002 10:25:35 AM
quote:
Adrecia probably says this to all the girls:
Zaza rocks.

And Jens is really a Swede.


Am not.

hey
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 10:31:56 AM
Too bad it doesn't matter how old it is.

If someone thinks it's still funny, it's going to live on. So, 'sux 2 b u' for the people who think they're old.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 03-19-2002 10:33:13 AM
*cracks his knuckles*

Laughter is the physical response to new connections made in a person's brain, connections made from two seemingly unrelated objects being linked together

Jokes are designed to lead a person's mind one way, then suddenly connect it to something unrelated

Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side

A chicken is not something you associate with intelligent decision, you don't think that it consciously wanted to cross the road for no reason other than it wanted to. Everyone has heard the joke so many times that the two ideas are now naturally linked in our minds, and cease to be funny.

When you hear a new joke and new connections are made, you laugh. Why is it still funny the second time you hear it? The connection just isn't fully established yet, thus every time you hear it it becomes less and less funny, until the connection is so well established that you don't find it funny anymore, thus you don't laugh, and no new connections.

My 2 cents

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:33:18 AM
quote:
Black Mage thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Too bad it doesn't matter how old it is.

If Black Mage thinks it's still funny, it's going to live on. So, 'sux 2 b u' for the people who think they're old.


Corrected a typo

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:38:06 AM
BM, it's a matter of pissing people off.

If I replied to your every post with "Black Mage is a fucktart", at first you would just shrug it off or laugh at me. Then you'd ignore me. But somewhere around the 100th time you'd extremly get tired and pissed off, and demand I was banned for trolling.

Same thing.

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 10:39:21 AM
quote:
This one time, at Za'Yth camp:
Corrected a typo
Those words just proved you a hypocrite in some peoples (those who think the 'strikeout-correct-a-type' joke is old enough.) eyes.

Edit- And it's not the same thing. Yelling out the same profanities at someone for 100 times is different.

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Black Mage ]



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 03-19-2002 10:39:25 AM
quote:
Za'Yth had this to say about (_|_):
Thus was the case with Deth and hitting of Ly.

OMG DETH HIT LYINAR!?!?!?!??!?!?/1/1/!?!?1

Galbadia Hotel - Video Game Music
I am Canadian and I hate The Tragically Hip
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:40:34 AM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Robocop:
[QUOTE]This one time, at Za'Yth camp:
[qb]Corrected a typo

Those words just proved you a hypocrite in some peoples (those who think the 'strikeout-correct-a-type' joke is old enough.) eyes.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Except that joke doesn't have a single target. I was referring to the jokes that go directly on someone's expense.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 10:42:13 AM
quote:
Za'Yth wrote this stupid crap:
Except that joke doesn't have a single target.
The target is who it's used on. Doesn't matter who. Same game, different name.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:42:14 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Black Mage said:
[QUOTE]This one time, at Za'Yth camp:
[qb]Corrected a typo

Edit- And it's not the same thing. Yelling out the same profanities at someone for 100 times is different.[/QB][/QUOTE]

What if I thought it was a hilarious joke?

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 10:44:31 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Za'Yth said:
What if I thought it was a hilarious joke?
It's still different. The nature of the joke and who thinks it funny are again, different.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:44:43 AM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about pies:
[QUOTE]Za'Yth wrote this stupid crap:
[qb]Except that joke doesn't have a single target.

The target is who it's used on. Doesn't matter who. Same game, different name.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Nope.

What I used is just another way of saying "Don't you mean...", rather than take for example the Parcelan jokes, which are a trend focused around associating a certain person with a certain (often abrasive) joke.

If people constantly over the course of a month used that method of joking to pick apart your posts, then you might have a point.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:45:37 AM
quote:
Black Mage's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
[QUOTE]The logic train ran off the tracks when Za'Yth said:
[qb]What if I thought it was a hilarious joke?

It's still different. The nature of the joke and who thinks it funny are again, different. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Of course. But didn't you just say above that "As long as someone thinks the joke is funny, tough shit"? Didn't mention anything about specific jokes.

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 10:52:46 AM
quote:
Za'Yth had this to say about Tron:
Of course. But didn't you just say above that "As long as someone thinks the joke is funny, tough shit"? Didn't mention anything about specific jokes.
Yes, and that still holds true. However, my inferior ways to communicate have caused a misinteretation. Go me
quote:
If people constantly over the course of a month used that method of joking to pick apart your posts, then you might have a point.
So 'Old' joke means 'Overabused' too?


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

I Like Bacon
Mmmm... bacon....
posted 03-19-2002 10:55:54 AM
quote:
Za'Yth said this about your mom:
BM, it's a matter of pissing people off.

If I replied to your every post with "Black Mage is a fucktart", at first you would just shrug it off or laugh at me. Then you'd ignore me. But somewhere around the 100th time you'd extremly get tired and pissed off, and demand I was banned for trolling.

Same thing.


I like bacon.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 10:57:45 AM
quote:
So 'Old' joke means 'Overabused' too?

(Jesus christ what's with quote?)

No, 'old' joke can mean three things:

- A general joke that's been around too long. Aka my joke. Or blue butts. Generally harmless. They fade from the "joke" aspect and become more of a way to state a point, or show you're part of the group.

- A general joke that's been around too long, but never reached the "fade away" part. For example, AYB. It just got obnoxious, because it had no real rejoke value, and you it's unusable in most aspects.

- A joke on someone's expense that is buried, then dug up, outfitted with a tux, and sent in the direction of said target frequently.

The last two are the ones to look out for.

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:00:51 AM
quote:
Za'Yth thought about the meaning of life:
No, 'old' joke can mean three things:

- A general joke that's been around too long.


Overabused.
quote:
- A general joke that's been around too long,
Overabused.
quote:
sent in the direction of said target frequently.
Overabused.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:03:06 AM
If you quote single sentences, it's alot easier to retort, I agree.

'Overabused' would fit the last one.

'Overused' would fit the other two.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:04:47 AM
Then it gets down to how you define the words.

And such, this is why arguing on the internet is futile.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:06:28 AM
Not really.

And besides, what's your point? That they're Overabused?

Wouldn't that mean you agree with me?

Maradon!
posted 03-19-2002 11:07:44 AM
What this boils down to is the following:

(I'll even color-code it for ya)

Do what you want but act like an ass and you're banned.

There's no sense in restricting the actions and speech of others. Diversity makes the boards a more fun, more intellegent, more active place.

But some facets of diversity are not welcome. Deliberate antagonization for instance, or behavior that everyone agrees is highly annoying (ie. repetition of an overdone or offensive joke) can not continue, ergo...

...Drysart will dispatch of individuals participating in such action with extreme prejudice.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:08:33 AM
That's great Maradon, but some people don't seem to realize when they are being obnoxious.

Thus the post.

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:08:57 AM
quote:
Za'Yth's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
And besides, what's your point?
See first post on entire thread.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Maradon!
posted 03-19-2002 11:10:30 AM
quote:
Za'Yth had this to say about Robocop:
That's great Maradon, but some people don't seem to realize when they are being obnoxious.

Thus the post.


I know, I was agreeing with you

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:10:34 AM
quote:
Black Mage had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
[QUOTE]Za'Yth's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
[qb]And besides, what's your point?

See first post on entire thread.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Yep, but all you did was to agree with me that they are overabused.

So basically:

"They're overabused, but tough shit"

However, at the same time, you say that it's a DIFFERENT thing if I thought it was funny to insult you on every turn.

Hmm...

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:11:31 AM
quote:
Maradön? stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
I know, I was agreeing with you

Sorry, managed to miss an entire sentence somehow.

I'm tired or something.

My bad

[ 03-19-2002: Message edited by: Za'Yth ]

Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:11:58 AM
I explained due to my lack of grammar skillz, yo, I didn't explain the way I wanted it to come out to. I often have this problem.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:13:37 AM
Mkay.

But the point is:

- That something will go on, doesn't mean it should go on.

And giving up on something and saying "Oho it wil nevar change" is just passive submission.

Maradon!
posted 03-19-2002 11:14:54 AM
I win most colorful post award!
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:15:23 AM
quote:
Za'Yth had this to say about Duck Tales:
- That something will go on, doesn't mean it should go on.
I agree. Then I said, 'But it will'. Sometimes.


Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:15:28 AM
quote:
Maradön? painfully thought these words up:
I win most colorful post award!

Hooray.

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 03-19-2002 11:17:14 AM
quote:
Black Mage's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
[QUOTE]Za'Yth had this to say about Duck Tales:
[qb]- That something will go on, doesn't mean it should go on.

I agree. Then I said, 'But it will'. Sometimes.[/QB][/QUOTE]

But if it only will go on sometimes, doesn't that mean you should do everything you could to stop it? I mean, pissing people off is wrong, is it not?

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 03-19-2002 11:20:00 AM
Some jokes never get old.
Black
The Outlaw Torn
posted 03-19-2002 11:20:44 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Za'Yth said this:
But if it only will go on sometimes, doesn't that mean you should do everything you could to stop it?
Stop it from going on, sometimes? Not sure what this question is aimed at.
quote:
I mean, pissing people off is wrong, is it not?
That doesn't mean the joke still can't be funny. But yes, it's wrong. And most people don't know if they're pissing off the other person.

So, while a joke may get funny, it's up to the 'single target' who doesn't like it anymore to make sure it's well known that he does not want this to continue. Otherwise, for those who still think it's laughs all-around, they can't be blaimed.



Time was never on my side.
So on I wait my whole lifetime.

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