Thank you Azizza.

I was looking for the actual figures on velocity needed to penetrate different level armors, that shit's hard to find!

I knew about the Glock's metal content, but was hoping to knock both out in one post.

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Suchii had this to say about Robocop:
Quick tip: Talking loudly and excitedly about counterstrike in a burger joint that cops freqent is a BAD idea.

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Demitri had this to say about Optimus Prime:
For once.. I'll say it..

Thank you Azizza.

I was looking for the actual figures on velocity needed to penetrate different level armors, that shit's hard to find!

I knew about the Glock's metal content, but was hoping to knock both out in one post.

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LOL I actualy looked it up a bit ago instead of going by memory. the actuall number is just shy of 2000fps If the round is conical, lower if it is steel tipped or has a penetrator inside(which pistol rounds can not legaly have), and it is over 2800fps if the round is blunt like a pistol bullet would be.
To my knowlege the only pistol rounds that can safely come close to that velocity is the .357 sig (not the magnum) ANd to get it actually to the velocity needed you would have to load the round up to about +P+++ and that would probably blow out the camber of the weapon and kill the shooter. .357 Sig is already to hot the way it is in my book.

Oh and I wanted to point out one other thing that I forgot earlier.
That Fingerpring resistent gun.
Here is actually what it was. Ok People who collect and shoot guns, likeme, like the guns to look nice. THis company came out with a coating that would resist "VISIBLE" fingerprints. It would not smudge and leave marks that you sould see. However a normal store bought fingerprint kit would easily lift a perfect print off this gun just like it would any other.
Once again let me restate that. It would not resist fingerprint tests, or help you hide your identity. Only visible marks left by the oil on your skin would be hard to spot. It was purly cosmetic and Blown out of proportion by the Anti Freedom crowd.

It is just like the number of innocent children that they say are killed every day by guns. To them "children" are everyone age 0-25 and it includes Gangbangers and police shootings. The actual number of innocent children 0-18 killed by guns illegally every year is about 250-400 depending on the stats you look up. THis is much lower than the 40,000-50,000 that HCI claims.

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Kanid had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Teflon coated so they penetrate body armor.

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Acutally, any bullet that doesn't spin can be classified as "cop-killing", in that they penetrate body armor.

All the body armor does, besides absorb an initial shock, is catch the bullet and stop the spin on it (due to the rifling, which most common pistols and rifles have) So the slug splays out and flattens itself (no penetration).

Shotguns and smooth-bore rifles(if they even make those anymore) can rip through body armor much more easily, because they don't spin. Of course, they're far less accurate.

EDIT: As for soccer moms, I enjoy yelling "WHORE!" at them as they drive by in their full-sized SUV.

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Karnaj had this to say about (_|_):
EDIT: As for soccer moms, I enjoy yelling "WHORE!" at them as they drive by in their full-sized SUV.

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And this makes you feel better than them?

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Kanid had this to say about John Romero:
And this makes you feel better than them?

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I don't see why not. I'd call Rosie O'Donnel a whore if I could.

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Kanid thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
And this makes you feel better than them?

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No, it's just that I can't moon them anymore.

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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Karnaj was all like:
Acutally, any bullet that doesn't spin can be classified as "cop-killing", in that they penetrate body armor.

All the body armor does, besides absorb an initial shock, is catch the bullet and stop the spin on it (due to the rifling, which most common pistols and rifles have) So the slug splays out and flattens itself (no penetration).

Shotguns and smooth-bore rifles(if they even make those anymore) can rip through body armor much more easily, because they don't spin. Of course, they're far less accurate.

EDIT: As for soccer moms, I enjoy yelling "WHORE!" at them as they drive by in their full-sized SUV.

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Uhhh I hate to break this to you but that information is Not correct either. A shotgun has ZERO chance of penetrating a vest. Even from as close as one foot it will not penetrate Standard issue body armor. THe Spin of the bullet has ntoihgin to do with the penetration. It isn't like a drippo. It works like a hole punch. THis is why a knife can penetrate even some of the best Armor on the market today unless it has plates as backup. Kevlar absorbs the force of the impact. It has nothign to do with stopping the spin..

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Pesco wrote, obviously thinking too hard:
I cant really laugh at the idea of someone buy bullets specifically to kill people that protect the innocent. You dont want a cop to bust you down...

THEN OBEY THE GOD DAMN LAWS!

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i dont have a problem with cops. Why? i obey the laws

and i love how this thread degraded into talking about bullets and how they penetrate armor

Sar...

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Azizza impressed everyone with:
Uhhh I hate to break this to you but that information is Not correct either. A shotgun has ZERO chance of penetrating a vest. Even from as close as one foot it will not penetrate Standard issue body armor. THe Spin of the bullet has ntoihgin to do with the penetration. It isn't like a drippo. It works like a hole punch. THis is why a knife can penetrate even some of the best Armor on the market today unless it has plates as backup. Kevlar absorbs the force of the impact. It has nothign to do with stopping the spin..

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Could you cite a source? If that is the case, I have to go tell the guy who told me this that his Criminal Justice(in the general sense, there's a more specific name for the course) prof is wrong.

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Ferret had this to say about Duck Tales:
Why is it I am not surprised at all that a thread about soccer moms has turned into a debate about armor piercing ammunition?

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And this is a bad thing?

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Karnaj had this to say about Pirotess:

Could you cite a source? If that is the case, I have to go tell the guy who told me this that his Criminal Justice(in the general sense, there's a more specific name for the course) prof is wrong.

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Well I will have to go grab the data sheets but I am the netwok admin for the largest Police supply company in the country. We test Vest sometimes so I can speak of this from first hand experience. But yes there are studies on this. Will take me a while to pull them up though.

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here is what we did last time..
One Class III Vewst with 1/8 inch steel inserts and standard street clothes over a dummy. Basicly like you see in the stores. (the ones they put the clothes on not the cashier)
Weapon 1: 12 Guage shotgun with 3 1/2 inch Magnum slugs and 3 Inch Magnum Buckshot.
Results.
Slugs dented the steel plate about 1/4 - 1/2 inch. No penetration but there was a mark on the dunmmy. Possible broken rib if it was a real person. Buckshot left small dimples in the plate but no other damage.

Weapon 2:
Kinber CDP in .45 calliber.
Ammo was Federal Hydra-Shok Jacketed hollow point.
Small almost unknowticable dimples found in plate. No penetration. Subject would be bruised and have the wind knocked out of them. No real damage.

Weapon 3:
Glock 17 Rev3 in 9mm
Ammo Federal Hydra-Skok
Knowticable dimples in the Steel plate and slight freying of the vest. No other Damage. Subject would have slight bruising but no further damage.

Weapon 4:
Bushmaster XM-15 (Ar15 clone) in .223
Ammo SS109 Greentip in 68 grain.
Full penetration on each shot. Rounc proceded through target and dented back plate. Targe would recieve sever internal injuries resulting in massive internal bleeding and eventual death.

This is all very abreviated from the printed reports I have. ANd there was a lot more weapons tested. but you get the point. I am still looking for my old ballistics data that we have online so I can link it for you.

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