gnomes are fuckers
Sorry if you find being called on your uninformed bullshit insulting. I was rather insulted by your uninformed bullshit regarding X-Box hardware and its uses. Had I flamed you, a) it would have been much more insulting, and b) I'd have used the tag.
I always put the appropriate tag on my posts.
Simply because certain high-profile games get ported from consoles (and it does go the other way, BTW), does not mean that the PC game industry is mostly console ports, or even depends heavily upon them, for that matter. And you can hardly quote your own observations as well-informed so closely upon the heels of being completely wrong about the X-Box hard drive and its purpose.
Unfortunately, leading with something that far off base removes any trace of credibility from the rest of your post.
So, since you so vehemently deny the anti-MS bias so obvious in your posts, please tell us why you've not bothered to check your facts before saying blatantly untrue things about the workings of X-Box, and perpetuating the silly notion that this console should be compared, not to other consoles, but rather to PCs instead.
After that, enlighten me on what other consoles' use of custom hardware has to do with the fact that they're all basically PCs? So they're off-brand PCs--all of the functions are exactly the same. MS simply took an off-the-shelf approach by using mainstream technologies. That doesn't mean it's not a console.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Not to mention your last post on page 2, in which you seemed to think I was still talking to you, even though the post's only content was two quotes (adenine and the original article), which could easily have drawn a simple and sane response from him if you hadn't cut in.
If you want the last word, fine. But the simple fact is that the only way out of a flame war is to show some form of tact. You ignored my tactful statements, so it's your turn. Try to say something that isn't a direct insult, if you remember how.
quote:READ. THE. ORIGINAL. ARTICLE.
Bloodsage had this to say about dark elf butts:
and perpetuating the silly notion that this console should be compared, not to other consoles, but rather to PCs instead.
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Drysart had this to say about Optimus Prime:
What the hell were you expecting to be inside the XBox? Confetti?
You mean there's not!?! Aww! 
Nowhere did I insult your intelligence. Or you, as a person, for that matter.
Perhaps you should chill before I get annoyed.
I have read the article. It's as ridiculous as the tripe you're peddling. The bullshit you made up about the X-Box hard drive was part of your overall point, which I refuted in much the same terms you made it. As I said, your willingness to make shit up was every bit as insulting as me labeling it the bullshit it was, and remains.
Just because one piece of bullshit starts a conversation doesn't mean you should step in several pages later and spread more misinformation and continue spurious analogies that have already been refuted.
You can keep attempting to flame, or you can calm your ass down. You haven't even bothered to reply to arguments, you're so busy whining you don't like being called on your bullshit. Don't make things up, and you won't have that problem.
Seems easy enough.
I don't really care whether you like my style. It's not random. I even went back to check: I didn't insult you personally at all in my initial reply.
Perhaps you should either a) identify less strongly with your ideas, or b) check your facts more closely before melding your ego with them. Just a friendly suggestion.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Robocop:
Ford,Nowhere did I insult your intelligence. Or you, as a person, for that matter.
quote:Saying someone is stupid is an insult. Proclaiming that someone doesn't have a clue is an insult which could be averted by use of proper focus, which you didn't use. If you couldn't tell that, perhaps you should rethink your no-restraint policy.
Bloodsage had this to say about Robocop:
You should really start having a clue before expounding bullshit.
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Bashing X-Box because of its hardware is stupid
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You also accused me of MS bashing, and you continue to make that claim. I'm bashing YOU. I regularly bash AOL. But all I do to MS is make the occasional snide remark. And if I was bashing MS, this line
quote:would certainly have been omitted. Think on it.
So it does make sense. It's just nothing spectacular.
Read more carefully. As I said, you are identifying too closely with your ideas.
"It was pretty stupid to touch that hot burner,"
is not the same as,
"Only stupid people burn themselves on the stove."
You not being able to tell the difference is your problem, not mine. What you said was bullshit--and made up. The basis of your argument was stupid, like I said. I mentioned nothing about you.
Nor does a single disclaimer mitigate your argument from ignorance and prejudice. I didn't say you were unremittingly anti-MS. I said it was stupid to argue from that basis, which you were doing. Even doing it a little bit is wrong.
And when are you going to explain your assinine remark that the entire 10GB hard drive was reserved for the OS? Leading with that silliness, and continuing unrepentent after being called on it, simply destroys your credibility . . . on which your entire point is based.
Yeah, it's nice you're offended and all, but the fact that you were making shit up remains--and that you were called on it.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Pirotess:
What you said was bullshit
quote:You quoted my entire statement. Not just what you regarded as false, but the whole thing. By doing so, you directed your argument at the whole of my statement, including opinions, expressions of personality, and even statements which would have supported the X-Box had they been read alone. You directed your comment at me by not directing it at what you claim you were directing it at. If that wasn't your intention, fine, you still did it, and you have yet to say it wasn't your intention. You've only said, repeatedly, that you haven't insulted me, just insulted the
So it does make sense.
quote:which you have also said is the only thing out of my mouth. You didn't even notice that the whole third paragraph of my initial statement actually gave more support to the concepts in X-Box design than any insults you may have seen, and what snide remarks were there were minor at the most. If your beef was with the middle paragraph, you should have quoted that and left the rest out... or not quoted at all. Even that little 10-second measure would have averted this whole conflict. But since you decided not to show tact, your statements became a direct attack aganst my mental capacity, and you apparently didn't even realize.
bullshit
I've been arguing solely with you (other than the quote-only post) because I said my piece, and that was really all I had to say on the matter. If you'd been more tactful in your (non-flame-labeled) reply, I would have simply kept to the topic of the hard drive, and casually read what everyone else has been talking about. But tact isn't your style. You'd rather argue with people, making them defensive by directing attack-laden posts threaded with your favorite swearwords at what would otherwise have been benign comments. I'm not the first person you've argued with in this fashion, and I won't be the last. You have a talent for bringing out the worst in people. [ 11-30-2001: Message edited by: Ford Prefect ]
But I was addressing your entire post. The hard drive section was made-up bullshit, and the rest simply your opinions of a) MS's marketing strategy and b) the process of video game development. Based rather loosely on the notion that X-Box is a substandard PC rather than a console, and that MS has a secret agenda to pawn spare hardware onto an unsuspecting public.
Good thing we've got you to tell us what Bill Gates is thinking, huh?
And you still don't seem to get it. I didn't say you were stupid, and I don't really care if you're offended that I called your bullshit bullshit. And if you identify so strongly with your ideas that insulting them seems to call your intelligence into question, then, again, that's your problem. I don't share it, I don't sympathize with it, and I'm certainly not going to treat you with kid gloves because of it.
How, exactly, am I the evil one when it's you making shit up to support arguments based upon a silly premise? If you want respect for your ideas, then you should think them through a bit more thoroughly. You can't lead off an opinion post, which relies solely upon the reader's appreciation of your credibility for efffect, with obviously made-up shit. Anything you said after that initial misstep is essentially moot because you're no longer a credible source.
I wasn't simply critiquing your mistake wrt the hard drive. Your entire argument was faulty. It was silly. It was based largely on the notion that MS is inherently evil, and that X-Box is a cut-rate PC rather than a game console, none of which are true. It makes rather fantastic assumptions regarding game development, based solely upon your observations--which produced the astute comment regarding the hard drive, if you'll remember, and are therefore quite suspect.
In short, your "facts" were bullshit, and your premise stupid.
As I said.
Neener.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Lawgiver Cadga had this to say about pies:
i can pee farther than both of you!
Ross Perot can't pee all that far, can he? He sounds like he gets a daily kick in the nuts.
Not.
There are simply too many people with the ridiculous notion that every opinion is equal. They're not. There are stupid, uninformed opinions.
Stroking their keepers helps no one.
Additionally, I am quite deliberate in separating people from ideas. More people should learn the difference, or keep their ideas to themselves. Saying an idea is stupid, or an argument based upon a ridiculous premise, reflects not the least upon the person behind the idea.
A psyche too fragile to cope with such things shouldn't express ideas in public. Better to learn the lessons on a message board, where no damage can be done. Life isn't a Barney re-run.
Vigorous debate--and even attack and defense--of ideas is a good thing.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
quote:Now try separating ideas from each other. Like it or not, when you decided not to focus your point on my point, your own argument stopped being about facts and became an argument in, of, and for itself. You attacked my post, not any <swearword does not need repeating> you may have disagreed with.
Additionally, I am quite deliberate in separating people from ideas.
quote:Okay, I yield. I don't care if the room is one inch across, I'm not going to try this.
Lawgiver Cadga impressed everyone with:
*tinkles across the room*
*unzips his pants and aims for a nearby window*
And it doesn't really matter that the ideas are separate: if you botched the very first fact so horribly, the rest of what you assert is quite suspect.
I'm sorry, but your assertion that most PC games are ports from console jives not the least with my observations. So, unless you'd like to quote a believable source, you should withdraw the point . . . or at least provide some sort of evidence beyond your observations. Which were totally off on the hard drive, merely highlighting your willingness to speak where you have no information . . .
Your odd assertion that MS made X-Box as part of a plot to boost PC game sales is equally silly and unsupported--and flows from the previous idea that most PC games are console ports. I'm sure you're a nice person, and all, but I doubt you've any inside track into MS's marketing strategies.
As I said, you are not your post. Attacking your post is not the same as attacking you. Calling your post stupid and uninformed is a) supported by the evidence, and b) not a personal attack. If you think my conclusion unwarranted by the evidence, feel free to say so, but calling me names is pointless, as are your sweeping generalizations regarding my behavior on the boards.
Would it make you feel better if I went back, separated your ideas, and showed them to be silly individually?
Or would you rather we forget the post, and begin debating debate technique?
Finally, if you object to colorful language, feel free to say so directly. I feel no obligation to read your mind, or search for subtle clues. Adjusting my behavior is my call, and I'm certainly not going to spend a lot of effort on detective work to spare you potential offense.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Cuba:
Oooh! Lemme try!*unzips his pants and aims for a nearby window*
nice one!
but i cna pee farther!
*aims for the Agway truck across the street*
*aims for a bird's nest in a nearby tree*
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We were all impressed when Mr. Parcelan wrote:
I have just BEGUN to fight! You can go for distance, but what about accuracy?*aims for a bird's nest in a nearby tree*
your technique is very strong
but it is no match for my FLYING KAMIKAZE URINE STREAM STYLE!
*spins around and pees on everything*
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
*pees on Bloodsage's couch!*
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Bloodsage had this to say about pies:
Ewwwwww.
what someone told me this is where i go for a pissing match! So i drank up a lot of water and here i am!
But now you know why it's leather. Doggy's very nice, but he drools to make Hooch blush.
~~~
And it's not a pissing match . . . it's a, um---ah---er--technical discussion regarding various approaches to debate and the nuances of various rhetorical devices.
Or something.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Now where's the bedroom? I gotta itch ta scratch!
I call your "whatever," and raise you "oh yeah?"!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
"Izzat so?"
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
You should really start having a clue before expounding bullshit.
I suggest in the future you choose a different way of phrasing the openers for your debates, lest you log on one day and find a black box over all your posts stating "I am an idiot"
Nice one, though.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
now be getin outa `ere for summens` git `urt
