I use to have sex when i was a teenager ...
but now, i make love to my GF ...
personaly, never cheat... but if single... do what you like ... life short, if you like having sex ... why not do it, if everything safe & no on get hurt (feelings i mean)
dont get me wrong, sex great, i love it.... i live for it ... but i dont jump ever thing that move...
Cheating is evil ... very evil & hearth less
lurn to control your balls
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Ukko The Papa Bear had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
lurn to control your balls
*is having flashbacks of Yoda training Luke*
"Use your balls for good, yes. Hmm?"
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Check out the big brain on Kekvit Irae!
*is having flashbacks of Yoda training Luke*"Use your balls for good, yes. Hmm?"
"Feel the Force deep within you! Who's your Jedi?!"
Sorry.
Not really. 
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Lenlalron stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Relationships of a loving nature without marraige generally don't last that long.
Some probably do, but that's at best rare I think.Oh, I'm not trying to insinuate that if you have sex you have to get married. It's just a thought.
My girlfriend and I have been together probably longer than some of you have been alive. We're not married, we're still together and we still love each other very much.
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ImNotTrent had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
My girlfriend and I have been together probably longer than some of you have been alive. We're not married, we're still together and we still love each other very much.
Well, there is that common-law marriage thing, but we won't cloud the issue. 
Other considerations aside, however, marriage as a legal institution does have some advantages.
Anyone read any of Niven's Tales of Known Space? He posits a contractual system whereby and couple or group can specify a marriage-like contract with a specific duration. It's an interesting concept.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
fallible . . . you and me . . .Given the context, that's a riot!
You couldn't have planned it any better than that.
I'd have thought it would be "fallible as you and I" with the "are" being accepted but not shown.
...fallible as I (am).
...fallible as you and I (are).
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Bloodsage thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Well, there is that common-law marriage thing, but we won't cloud the issue.
I know about it, just ummm, well nothing really
Yeah, don't cloud the issue damnit Bloodsage. [ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: ImNotTrent ]
CURSE UBB
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Kanid had this to say about Cuba:
I'd have thought it would be "fallible as you and I" with the "are" being accepted but not shown....fallible as I (am).
...fallible as you and I (are).
He did forget the "as," but I caught that too late.
"You and I," the way he used it, is the object of the sentence. "Me" is the correct word choice, there. People are often confused when "you" is added, but generally get it right otherwise.
"They are as fallible as me."
"They are as fallible as I am."
Both are correct, as you pointed out, but the addition of the other word is important--at least to people who care about proper construction.
Frankly, I just thought it was funny, given the context.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
People like to dictate how things should be done and use God as a cover. Frankly, it is more messed up than anything...
Riddle me this... Why would God create a basic law of nature and evolution, then attempt to restrict it and give a MAJOR disadvantage to a particular species? Hmm?
The logic behind the Dication of God against pre-marital sex are flawed beyond belief. We had nothing that resembled marriage to begin with. At first, we had to reproduce and evolve as fast as we could to survive. That rule still applies today. Now that we have grown to the Evolutionary Powerhouse that we are, we evolved our mating habits and care for our young as well. We developed "love", and it continued to develop past procreation into the being it is today. Something that means more then sex itself, that is love. So effectively, love is the more powerful of the two entities, sex just is complementing force.
If you love someone, you may or may not have sex with them but there is still that very primal need that we can never be rid of. Like I said earlier... it is a test of your will power if you so choose it to be. But there is nothing wrong with having sex before marriage. Lack of sex can cause insane amounts of tension and can be released in anger because you are supressing basic instinct. Personally.. I think holding back that is more harmful to your body and mind then pre-marital sex.
Oh yea.. those numbers are grossly wrong. With the US being at almost a 0% growth rate, it is pretty much impossible to have such numbers. I bet it is numbers tweaked to scare people.
And for the marriage issue. I think people are getting married for the wrong reasons, to try to hold up some tradition that's entirely outdated. It's perfectly okay for a couple to stay together for years, decades, whatever, and not get married. In fact, I think that's a heck of a lot better than people that *do* get married, but then have so-called "open marriages". The way I see it, if you don't want to stick by the definition, the ideal of marriage, being with ONE person, then you shouldn't get married. Doing so otherwise just degrades an ideal that other people still believe in.
Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
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Drysart had this to say about Robocop:
Remember, it's only premarital sex if you intend to get married.
exactly my point!
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Not for me, but if it's how other people get their rocks off, better than drugs. In most circumstances.
/old man style remembrances on
My first time was with someone who was a very good friend of mine. We went for a walk, were talking about her recent ex-boyfriend, and it sort of went from there. We never ended up a boyfriend/girlfriend thing, and were friends til she finished high school (I was uhm...two years behind. don't ask) and it never went that far again. No harm, no foul, no pain. By some definitions that might be casual sex. Neither of us planned it and both of us were virgins (she'd broken up with her boyfriend because he'd been pressuring her to have sex. Long story.) We used protection, so that was good. Anyway...
Fast Forward...Lyinar and I broke up few years ago and I got into a relationship with a real nutcase. I was trying to make a relationship with her like I had with Lyinar. We had sex, yadda yadda yadda. I ended up breaking up with her because I realized I wasn't in love with her, and that she was trying to run my life by her schedule. When we had sex it was planned (method of birth control, who'd get it, etc), not casual, but in the same sense it was a bad thing.
/end old man ruminations
What I'm trying to say is that you can have "casual" sex with people you care about, and planned sex with people who you really don't feel anything for. So while I can see where it's more special to plan something special with someone you love, I don't necessarily think it's evil to go about it casually.
Marriage though...Push aside the legal standpoint of things. Marriage is a spiritual, emotional, loving sort of contract. You don't have to have a religion to marry someone. It's a sort of officiated connection...saying before all that you dedicate yourself to the other person. Yeah you can just live and never tell anyone, but some people (like me) want that chance to do it right. Marriage is very important to me because, while I'm happy to be alive, I think my parents shouldn't have ever gotten married, and really probably shouldn't have ever had kids together. So in other words, to me marriage is something I want to do once, get it right, and have it last forever...it's an important thing to me.
Which is why I take it seriously; yes marriage is a form of contract. It's also a binding sort connection on a variety of different layers that have little to do with the tangible, law-abiding world. Forming this coherent bond and then turning around and bouncing from bed to bed with anyone because it's "Open Marriage" seems to fly in the face of that connection. You spend all your life, it seems, trying to make that one perfect, pristine, ultimate unity...then you turn around and to satiate some carnal instinct, you have sex with other people.
To be perfectly honest, people who can compartmentalize things to that degree scare me. When I'm in love, I give all of myself to someone. Devotion, heart, soul, support, friendship, affection, attention; all of it. Sure I get jealous sometimes. We all do. But I get jealous because of my devotion. And my jealousy passes, we work out what went wrong, and the devotion stays.
What's to say that if someone makes that sort of devotion, gets married, has an open marriage and gets into a fight with the person they're married to, they won't just seal off their connection to that person and change devotion to someone they sleep with? That's running away from the problem; it's not handling it. It's not resolving anything. And running from your problems is never a healthy way. Meanwhile your marriage is pulling more and more apart. So why make a sham of things in the first place? Why not have just waited to get hitched til you could be devoted to one person?
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Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin
Disclaimer: read the footnotes before agreeing/disagreeing/flaming/offering violence.
Most* adults I know/have known have gotten married in their early thirtys, or haven't at all.
It's been proven that health problems ensue from a lack of it, for example, men who haven't had sex at age 35 are a lot more suceptable to problems in a rather sensitive place, than those who responsibly** got a fair bit in their '20s.
Therefore, responsible** sex before marriage healthy.
And abstaining untill marriage is not in human nature.¤
My ten cents, 'cos that's the second lowest in Australia. No one and two cents here anymore.
*Out of the few I know or have heard of.
^Consented, that stuff, yadda yadda...
**Safe sex. There are a lot of STDs out there.
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I DO NOT LOOK DOWN ON PEOPLE WHO DO ABSTAIN UNTILL MARRIAGE, AS I SAID IT'S AGAINST ONE'S URGES AND THEREFORE I LOOK UP TO YOU IF YOU MANAGE IT. I REPEAT, I DO NOT LOOK DOWN ON THOSE WHO ABSTAIN. DO NOT FLAME ME FOR THAT. M'KAY.[ 10-29-2001: Message edited by: Pvednes Phoenixfeather ]
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Pesco had this to say about Duck Tales:
You know.. I find it interesting...
Simply following what I believe is not using "God as a cover." I believe in God, and I believe in the Bible as the word of God. This is my belief, and this is what I am speaking from. If you believe otherwise, that is your God given right to do so.
The bible says fornication is a sin (1 Corinthians 6:18) Sex outside of marriage is fornication. Sex outside of marriage is a sin.
Why? Because He said so. I don't even begin to think I can comprehend the infinate, nor is it my place to do aught but follow his word.
We don't have any sort of disadvantage as a species, there are already far too many of us and if we keep it up at this rate we're going to have serious population issues.
Statistics from the April 1, 1993 issue of the San Francisco Chronicle. And according to the US Census Bureau we've had a 13% increase in population since 1990.
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Drysart had this to say about Tron:
Remember, it's only premarital sex if you intend to get married.
amen, preach it mah Brothah!
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Elvish Crack Piper had this to say about dark elf butts:
I feel nothing wrong with pre-marital sex, its just all the girls I know that do.
So you know all the same girls I do?
If you and your partner truly love each other, I really see no problem with it.
I do not endorse the practice of under age sex, whether both are underaged or not. Both have to be physically and mentally ready for the possible consquences associated with with it. This includes such things as cyber 'sex' [ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Guardian Azymyth ]
Sig pic done with Microsoft paint, Work that doobie Pikachu.
Yes, I think pre-marital sex is wrong. Not just for moral reasons. Sex is more than an expression of love, it an expression of a desire to have and raise children with someone. Or at least it should be, after all, that is the natural consequence of sex. Without that kind of comittment, what is the point? It's just another to attempt to achieve pleasure without consequence.
Nothing else I can say about this that hasn't already been said.
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Troodon had this to say about Punky Brewster:
An alien species obseving humans would find it difficult to understand why humans always wanted to mate but not have children. Think about that for a second.
I disagree. Socially it doesn't make sense but any examination of human would show the density of nerves. Creatures who derived pelasure had more sex because it was fun so their traits got carried into the gene pool. A sociologist alien might be curious, but any biologist from a culture derived from natural evolution would understand.
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*looks around and sees everyone looking at him*
So...I lied!
I have a mini-me coming... [ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Dead Tired ]
I think sex has lost his meaning. Casual sex is an oxymoron. Sex changes lives. Sex is the ultimate pleasure. There is a reason it used to be reserved and whatnot.
I guess it's all just impatience. I mean, we can have everything 'now'. We have websites now, faster cars that get us there quick, quick made meals, fast food...
Generally, society has sped up. We've become more 'efficient' as it were. But, now, when it breaks down, we are angry. Traffic. People cancel stuff. Computer crashes. Those things make us all angry. Why? Because we lost patience somewhere.
Unfourtunately, it went back into our mindset. Sex, something that used to be special, reserved for the person you marry (Of course, back in the good ol' days, we had people who jumped the gun too. Just seemed a lot less.), is now something you have to get done during the teenage years, you know, because you can. Waiting a long time for marraige or even just true love could take a long, long time, and many people just can't wait that long. Nothing against them, but that's just the way that is.
But, anyway, back to 'casual sex'. If sex is a rush of emotion, a feeling of pure pleasure, then it isn't really 'casual'. It's not relaxed. You can't just be chillin and then you and your partner decide to sex. Well, actually, you can, but eventually it'll lose its meaning. If it already hasn't. I mean, marraige isn't going to be as special if you haven't reserved some of you physically for her. (It's still special, per se, just it won't hit the max).
Okay, I'll quit typing.
Oh, Pved, where'd you get that 20s men sex live healthier statistic? I'm not flaming or questioning your source, that just sounds interesting, and I'd like to see the tests. Looks cool.
It just seems to get more press, perhaps. Though pr0n was a huge industry in Victorian England. And pr0n is practically a religion in India (Kama Sutra, anyone?).
And the emotional component is not necessary--it's special only because some people arbitrarily designate it as such. If you think about it, everything you do with someone you love is better and more meaningful.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
Of course, even then there are variables. I personally could never have penial/vaginal sex. Even if we both were protected to the max, I believe that with my luck, she would get pregnant anyway. There are other alternatives, though, which we take advantage of. A display of sexual intimacy, without worry of pregnancy.
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Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
If you think casual sex is any more common today than in other periods of history, you should probably read up on your history.
I agree. The patterns appear cyclical. An empire rises, instant gratification becomes the norm, faith faulters, debauchery rises, the empire falls, the cycle starts over again.
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Kanid had this to say about Cuba:
faith faulters.
who's "faith"?
also define "faith" for me. because alot of your arguments have hinged around it and i want to know what it means in your view.
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Pvednes Phoenixfeather stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
It's been proven that health problems ensue from a lack of it, for example, men who haven't had sex at age 35 are a lot more suceptable to problems in a rather sensitive place, than those who responsibly** got a fair bit in their '20s.
Great. MORE pressure. [ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Mightion Defensor ]
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Geeorn wrote this stupid crap:
who's "faith"?also define "faith" for me. because alot of your arguments have hinged around it and i want to know what it means in your view.
Sorry, allow me to be more specific. Faith in anything greater than instant gratification.
When everyone has most everything they want, they don't need to believe in anything beyond themselves. It seems they turn toward the greater and more exciting thrills of humanity, orgies, drunken revelry, drugs, murder, etc. [ 10-30-2001: Message edited by: Kanid ]
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We were all impressed when Lenlalron wrote:
I'm not trying to get on a Bible tangent here. The Bible does say that it is wrong, and I believe in the bible, hence, I believe it is wrong. If the Bible's wrong, and we meet up in the extra-dimensional plane or something or other we call the after life, nothing like the Bible says, you can laugh at me.But, anyway, your beliefs, your thing.
Sigh... I tried to leave this alone... please don't hate me...
Do you know why the bible says it's wrong? The real, honest to politician reasons the bible says it's wrong? I can make some educated guesses about the social mores of a small group of persecuted people and their need to insure a continuation of their own genetics... but that has little or nothing to do with 'god'.
There are also rules for what things you can and can't eat in the bible... do you follow them? Or, now that medical science has removes the very valid health concerns about eating pigs, do you chow down on the bacon with us heathens? What about Lot and his daughters? I'm not following that example, sorry... I love my family, just NOT that much... 
While we're on the subject of sex... have you read this thing? I don't know what bible you all are reading, but the people who wrote the one I've got included some pretty steamy erotic poetry...
You can take anything from the bible and twist it... we are reading a book that has been through at least 3 translations... after being an oral tradition for generations... ever play a game of telephone? God could have said 'Man... sex is groovy, pass the weed.' and we got 'Sex is like an evil weed, destroying the hearts of men...'
Bah. /rant off
*calming breath*
