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Topic: Sex before Marriage
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 11-04-2001 08:37:00 PM
The question, perhaps, ought to be why it is necessary to exclude others to feel special in your own relationship. There is no such thing as "separate but equal." Just think back to where that term originated.

Why should marriage be an exclusive club, where only those who practice to your specifications get to enter? That concept might be fine as far as religious ceremonies surrounding the practice go, but you've yet to give a convincing argument why only your brand should confer legal status upon its adherents.

Marriage, these days, is a legal word. As such, it should be inclusive rather than exclusive.

No one seems to question the right of people to bond as they see fit. The real question is why such a narrow subset of possibilities is recognized by the law. (I can think of some legitimate concerns, but I've chosen to argue the other side for now. )

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Peach
Good intentions? Or *bad* intentions?
posted 11-04-2001 08:57:00 PM
I love you Bloodsage.

crawls onto the couch and pets him

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 11-05-2001 05:27:00 AM
*Purrs--stops, looks embarassed, then growls--contentedly*
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Kanid
BANNED
posted 11-05-2001 07:30:00 AM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Cuba:
I can think of some legitimate concerns, but I've chosen to argue the other side for now.

So voice your concerns.

This isn't a debate to be won, as far as I know, there are no points awared if your "side" has more people behind it than against it. As I understood it, these threads are about opening our minds, learning from others, and maybe seeing things differently.

"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 11-05-2001 10:06:00 PM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Matthew Broderick:

Why should marriage be an exclusive club, where only those who practice to your specifications get to enter? That concept might be fine as far as religious ceremonies surrounding the practice go, but you've yet to give a convincing argument why only your brand should confer legal status upon its adherents.

Actually, I've said quite often in this thread that I think all forms of unions should be legally recognized and stand equal with marriage. Marriage would become just another way to live, instead of the norm.

My only belief was that since marriage is established now and commonly identified within most countries as two people in a union, then it should be allowed to remain that, and other unions should take on different terms.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 11-05-2001 10:10:00 PM
I understand your point.

My question is why is "separate but equal" not discriminatory in this instance? Don't you think there would end up being a very real stigma attached to anything with another name?

~~~

We're not there yet, Kanid. When we progress far enough for them to become relevant, I'll trot them out.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 11-06-2001 10:18:00 PM
People are going to discriminate no matter what. That's just human nature.

But at least if there are separate terms, then the least amount of people get pissed off as possible. A minority of toes are stepped on (because there will ALWAYS be someone who will bitch), and no one view has to give up what it is to suit another view that wants to exist.

It will take time to get society used to the idea, but eventually alternate lifestyles will become just as normal as traditional marriage, plus they'll have the legal standing they should have now.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Kanid
BANNED
posted 11-07-2001 07:10:00 AM
I recently had to take a class on how divorce affects children. It's a pretty helpful class with lots of information, but one thing really stuck out as scary...

Less and less people are getting married every year. The same number of people are getting divorced every year.

"Unlike adults, children have little need to deceive themselves." - Goethe
Happiness is subjective, subject yourself to it whenever possible.
"A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams." - John Barrymore
Wise men still seek Him.
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