It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
or, walk into your local GW store and say that you are a new player, and want to learn about the game. Most stores will help you out.
Also. as a beginner you cannot really go wrong with The Battle for Macragge beginner box. Besides the rules, some scenarios, it contains some Space Marine and Tyranid models. So you can start playing pretty much right away.
However, I should mention that late summer, or early autumn this year, a new edtion of WH40k will be released, along with a new beginner box, holding Space Marines and Orks.
To get yourself started, go down to your local gaming store and watch some games. See what you think is cool and what isn't, and go from there. Certain armies are of course easier for beginners (space marines, necrons, tau) but most offer a good bit of flexibility if you want to go for a certain style. You'll be a lot more motivated to complete and paint an army if it's something interesting.
Once you do get started and expanding your list though, I recommend buying and painting in small chunks rather than assembling a full army and then having the looming prospect of having to get it all painted at once. That could just be because I'm not as into the painting aspect as I am conversions, but YMMV.
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Orks are the best, quote if you're down.
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However, I should mention that late summer, or early autumn this year, a new edtion of WH40k will be released, along with a new beginner box, holding Space Marines and Orks.
Second week of July it is. The new starter box will be released a month or two later.
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Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 03-17-2008 at 08:39 AM.
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Ok, those made me LOL pretty hard.
tl;dr version: it's the model construction and painting hobby I'm interested in, not the game. Damnati fucked around with this message on 03-17-2008 at 11:30 AM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Not much to say.
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.. it's the model construction and painting hobby I'm interested in, not the game.
Be prepared to spend a lot of money, GWS Models are hideously pricey. And the Citadel paints are a bit pricy to.
If you plan to do any of the larger vehicles, find the colors you want in another brand paint. In fact That Apple barrel cheapo acrylic paint you can find the likes of Wal-Mart are often nearly the same, and Krylon makes for fairly good primer, and most auto store now should carry rattle cans of filler primer. The GWS brush are not all that bad, priced the same as good quality artist brush you will need for detail,
For drybrushing, which will ruin the brush anyways, Wal-Mart are Kmart usually have like a big paks of the cheap ones --Honestly, I have used stencil brushs for a lot of large scale dry brushing-- And if you have a Harbor Freight near yeah, invest in some decent micro snips for a sprue cutter and a set of small files. If you decide to pin, the GWS pin vise is worth the price.
And be a little gentle useing the exacto on the plastics, GWS uses really soft plastic.
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Bent over the coffee table, Damnati squealed:
I probably should have mentioned this but I don't intend to play the game at this point. I just thought that painting an army looked like fun. I'd figured I'd start with a Sisters Repentia squad as they're fairly simple before moving on to Celestine, the Living Saint and/or a Penitent Engine. I like how the Sisters play in DoW but, more than that, I like the gothic feel; it'd be a fun project to assemble a small army of them and build a diorama for them.tl;dr version: it's the model construction and painting hobby I'm interested in, not the game.
The painting isn't that bad if you're patient--simply following the directions in the codex or on the web site will get you a decently-painted model. It's doing spiffy conversions and Golden Demon paint jobs that take a lot of time, effort, and money.
And Mort is right: metal models cost more, but are easier to paint.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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A sleep deprived Mortious stammered:
Metal models are good to practice on too, you can turps them to strip the paint over and over and over.
This is a good thing to know. Most, if not all of the models from the army I'm interested in (The Inquisition) appear to be metal. It hadn't occurred to me that this would be possible.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Never did me no harm. 
Don't get me wrong, this isn't some kind of bleeding heart rage against the machine. It just makes me think of the Drow in that it's just not a society that can function for very long without killing itself.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
You should look into Tau or Eldar. You lack the faith to be a servant of the Emperor.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
But when they do, they are crushed in the name of the God-Emperor.
.. who will eventually die in a few thousand years and destroy the Warp when he ascends anyway. So humans win.
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The Imperium keeps in contact with its systems just fine, just takes a few months for troops to arrive to war-torn systems.But when they do, they are crushed in the name of the God-Emperor.
.. who will eventually die in a few thousand years and destroy the Warp when he ascends anyway. So humans win.
Reading from the book, it says that it will frequently take hundreds of years for the paperwork to make it through the chain of adepts to someone who can do something about it; the effect being that legions arrive to fight wars that have been over for ages. The image I get is of this massive, unwieldy theocracy that can't even keep up with the paperwork, much less effectively administer its worlds.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
The Ordo Hereticus is, quite simply, the most fanatical, batshit insane group within the Imperium; the Adepta Sororitas especially. Even casual mention of heresy will provoke the drawing of meltas and flamers.
The Ordo Malleus is varied, but still strict. Inquisitors can and will create Daemonhosts to summon daemons for interrogation (or just banishment) but doing so is the high heresy.
There is no redemption for the xeno.
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You don't seem to understand how the Ordo Malleus and Ordo Hereticus work.The Ordo Hereticus is, quite simply, the most fanatical, batshit insane group within the Imperium; the Adepta Sororitas especially. Even casual mention of heresy will provoke the drawing of meltas and flamers.
The Ordo Malleus is varied, but still strict. Inquisitors can and will create Daemonhosts to summon daemons for interrogation (or just banishment) but doing so is the high heresy.
There is no redemption for the xeno.
I got that much. The Inquisition appears to be both the most antagonistic to heresy and the closest to becoming heretics upon first impression.
Edit: I should point out that zealots and fanatics out at the sharp end are fine with me. They're what makes it fun. Damnati fucked around with this message on 03-18-2008 at 11:56 AM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Damnati said:
Reading from the book, it says that it will frequently take hundreds of years for the paperwork to make it through the chain of adepts to someone who can do something about it; the effect being that legions arrive to fight wars that have been over for ages. The image I get is of this massive, unwieldy theocracy that can't even keep up with the paperwork, much less effectively administer its worlds.
Governor-Generals can usually defends the Imperium's world just fine. Segmentum Command is what handles planetary defense. Since they're based sector-by-sector (like the Empire in Star Wars) they can respond pretty fast but only with conventional Imperial Guard regiments and fleets.
The Space Marines and other specialists do take longer to arrive, but only come when desperately needed since there isn't actually that many of them. Mortious fucked around with this message on 03-18-2008 at 12:20 PM.
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The Space Marines and other specialists do take longer to arrive, but only come when desperately needed since there isn't actually that many of them.
Something along the lines of one space marine to defend 1,000 planets? According to the lore anyway. Makes eating them up with a Tyranid army that much more satisfying. 
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Sounds like some bleeding heart rage against the machine.You should look into Tau or Eldar. You lack the faith to be a servant of the Emperor.
For the Greater Good!
I'm told that "pin vise" is another name for what is listed on the GWS site as a hobby drill. Pray tell, why is it called a pin vise?
Are Citadel paints worth the cost? Assuming I can't find a hobby shop that sells individual paints or I can't find the paints I want, I'm considering saving a while and buying the massive paint kit they have in the GWS online shop.
How hard is the learning curve for model conversions? I have a few in mind I'd like to attempt.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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So quoth Damnati:
I'm told that "pin vise" is another name for what is listed on the GWS site as a hobby drill. Pray tell, why is it called a pin vise?Are Citadel paints worth the cost? Assuming I can't find a hobby shop that sells individual paints or I can't find the paints I want, I'm considering saving a while and buying the massive paint kit they have in the GWS online shop.
How hard is the learning curve for model conversions? I have a few in mind I'd like to attempt.
Because it's a vise that holds drill bits. It's the same as a chuck on a drill. I don't know why those silly Brits call it something else.
I don't use, and never have used, Citadel paints. I went off the recommendation of a lot of other hobbyists and picked up Vallejo paint instead.
There is no learning curve because there is no set instruction for conversions. If you're a creative, artistic person then you will find it a lot easier than me. I barely even paint my stuff because it's more fun, to me, just modifying and assembling custom shit.
I need to start working on my Orks again. 
Best advice I can give for getting conversions started is to keep a bits box. As you get an assemble models keep the extra parts that you don't use. It'll eventually accumulate, and you can use these extra bits for conversions.
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Because it's a vise that holds drill bits. It's the same as a chuck on a drill. I don't know why those silly Brits call it something else.I don't use, and never have used, Citadel paints. I went off the recommendation of a lot of other hobbyists and picked up Vallejo paint instead.
There is no learning curve because there is no set instruction for conversions. If you're a creative, artistic person then you will find it a lot easier than me. I barely even paint my stuff because it's more fun, to me, just modifying and assembling custom shit.
I need to start working on my Orks again.
Thanks for the tip on the paint. I'll have to see if my local hobby shop carries it. If not, I'll just look into ordering some online. The points made on the linked site make think I'd rather not waste money on Citadel.
Edit: is recommendable to pick up paint packs like these when just starting? I'd thought to pick individual paints in the colors I'd planned to use but it occurs to me that it may be valuable to have such a wide variety of colors to hand. Damnati fucked around with this message on 03-18-2008 at 03:32 PM.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Thanks for the tip on the paint. I'll have to see if my local hobby shop carries it. If not, I'll just look into ordering some online. The points made on the linked site make think I'd rather not waste money on Citadel.Edit: is recommendable to pick up paint packs like these when just starting? I'd thought to pick individual paints in the colors I'd planned to use but it occurs to me that it may be valuable to have such a wide variety of colors to hand.
For starters, probably best not to go with a full big set, but the starter set would work. Also, get a can of spray primer. Now there's often debate as to whether you should prime your models black or white. White makes your colors stand out a bit more, whereas black makes colors look muted and dirty (assuming you actually thin your paints and brush lightly, not just cake it on). As such, white tends to be a good choice for bright, crisp models like eldar and tau, whereas black is good for grittier stuff like orks or IG. All things said however it doesn't make THAT big a difference so long as you're layering your painting, so use whatever you like best or have on hand.
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For starters, probably best not to go with a full big set, but the starter set would work. Also, get a can of spray primer. Now there's often debate as to whether you should prime your models black or white. White makes your colors stand out a bit more, whereas black makes colors look muted and dirty (assuming you actually thin your paints and brush lightly, not just cake it on). As such, white tends to be a good choice for bright, crisp models like eldar and tau, whereas black is good for grittier stuff like orks or IG. All things said however it doesn't make THAT big a difference so long as you're layering your painting, so use whatever you like best or have on hand.
My only concern with the starter pack is that I have a color theme in mind already (deep, warm brown primary; silver/grey trim) and the colors I'm looking for don't appear to be anything but either the big sets or the specialized ones (which would result in large expenditures on multiple sets anyway). Ostensibly, I'd just order individual paints but that presents the problem of ordering a color and then finding it doesn't work out so well on the model. What's a good means of getting around this without blowing a couple hundred bucks on a large pack?
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
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Zephyer Kyuukaze said:
For the Greater Good!
Tau make me physically ill.
Born purely to satisfy the weeaboos.
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Mortious had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Tau make me physically ill.Born purely to satisfy the weeaboos.
They remind me of Protoss, which I was quite fond of.
