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Damnati had this to say about Robocop:
Show me some 20/0/41 builds or other excellent Destruction builds. I tested one such out a while back and I rather liked Shadowfury. Affliction was amusing but not really to my taste or playing style.
0/21/40 if you are going to do anything.
Get shadow and flame, get demonic sacrifice, get shadowburn, ruin imp shadow bolt and bane. oh and devastation too.
I'll go put one together on wowhead later.
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Falaanla Marr said this about your mom:
0/21/40 if you are going to do anything.Get shadow and flame, get demonic sacrifice, get shadowburn, ruin imp shadow bolt and bane. oh and devastation too.
I'll go put one together on wowhead later.
Shadowfury isn't worth the point?
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Batty had this to say about Pirotess:
More likely is that Demonic Sacrifice is worth more than Shadowfury.
Yup.
Shadowfury is damned fun. But I don't think it is worth giving up demonic sacrifice. If you REALLY want shadowfury and are skipping demonic sacrifice, a 17/0/44 setup with Nightfall should be somewhat helpful.
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Falaanla Marr got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Yup.Shadowfury is damned fun. But I don't think it is worth giving up demonic sacrifice. If you REALLY want shadowfury and are skipping demonic sacrifice, a 17/0/44 setup with Nightfall should be somewhat helpful.
Please tell me of these wonderful builds. I tend to prefer enough points in Demo for full Demonic Aegis and stamina/health stuff, but it's not necessary by any means.
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Damnati had this to say about Captain Planet:
Please tell me of these wonderful builds. I tend to prefer enough points in Demo for full Demonic Aegis and stamina/health stuff, but it's not necessary by any means.
Big DPS builds are 43/0/18 or 0/21/40. If you want Shadowfury, you need nightfall. Yes, that means no demonic aegis -- trust me, Nightfall makes up for the whole +30 damage you lose.
I'll make a build in the morning, too tired now.
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x--DamnatiO-('-'Q) :
Shadowfury isn't worth the point?
If you plan on raiding at all, GET DS. Destro builds destroy mana and the only thing that will keep you competitive on those long haul fights is one of the regenerative talents.
If you plan on PVP'ing primarily, get shadowfury. It's a fantastic opener in small fights and even better in big fights.
You can look up my build on armory. I'm drunk and tired.
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Falaanla Marr said:
0/21/40 if you are going to do anything.Get shadow and flame, get demonic sacrifice, get shadowburn, ruin imp shadow bolt and bane. oh and devastation too.
I'll go put one together on wowhead later.
Imp shadowbolt?
No,no friend. In a 0/21/40, you don't ever cast shadowbolts unless the mob is immune to fire or your fire school is locked for some reason.
Immo -> Incin x5 -> Conflag -> Immo repeat.
I just wish the build was more pvp friendly, but for raiding DPS, it's loltastic.
Check my armory for exact pointspread. I think myself and our guild's warlocks talked for a good week about this before tbc came out. 
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Delphi Aegis had this to say about Optimus Prime:
Immo -> Incin x5 -> Conflag -> Immo repeat.,,I just wish the build was more pvp friendly, but for raiding DPS, it's loltastic.
You DO realize that incin is less efficient than shadowbolt due to a 15% lower coefficient, right?
Add onto that that most warlocks don't pack fire gear but pack shadow gear since it benefits ALL of their spells. You're much better off tossing up a full rack of DoTs and shadowbolting if you have the time to do a full immo cycle. And, hell, you can even conflag the immo at the appropriate time.
I've raided with locks that did not touch incin while I was trying incin in the way you described and I was pretty much blown away damage wise. One of the top warlocks on my server right now runs a 43/0/18 build and does sick as hell damage (as I'm told by Addy). I didn't believe it at first, but I tried it myself and was putting out more damage than fire mages on mobs that had time for multiple DoTs to tick.
Granted, on weaker mobs, immo incin combo ends up coming out as more efficient simply because you don't have time to toss up a full rack of Dots. But, well, trash mobs are not what you need to plan to DPS for on raids -- you need to be able to put out big DPS on bosses. And DoTs are, by far, the best and most efficient way to do that. Falaanla Marr fucked around with this message on 05-06-2007 at 11:02 AM.
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about John Romero:
You DO realize that incin is less efficient than shadowbolt due to a 15% lower coefficient, right?Add onto that that most warlocks don't pack fire gear but pack shadow gear since it benefits ALL of their spells. You're much better off tossing up a full rack of DoTs and shadowbolting if you have the time to do a full immo cycle. And, hell, you can even conflag the immo at the appropriate time.
When both are 2.5s casts (With bane), they get the same +dam coefficient. Moreover, it's negated by Shadow and Flame and Emberstorm, as well as a Crit/+dam/+int/+sta in that order gear.
And now with the future nerf to shadow weaving, there's no reason in a DPS situation for a warlock to ever cast a shadow damage spell because imp scorch will eek out more damage. Percentages are overpowered.
Editing for your edit: The most efficient DPS is 0/21/40 with a felpup sacc'd. You never have to tap, your heals get 26% more done (For all those pesky AE abilities that made it *dangerous* to tap).
Yes, a DoT lock may pump out more damage over time, but see my previous point about shadow weaving nerf. Delphi Aegis fucked around with this message on 05-06-2007 at 11:05 AM.
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Falaanla Marring:
You DO realize that incin is less efficient than shadowbolt due to a 15% lower coefficient, right?
14.28% difference in coefficient, and until you've got about 800 +dmg, the 100 damage bonus from immo makes up for the decreased benefit, and that's before you even take emberstorm into account.
As a raid spec destro lock, you can NOT simply focus on +dmg as affliction locks do. You absolutely need crit and +to hit. A LOT. +to hit in particular is FAR more important at 70 than it ever was at 60.
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Add onto that that most warlocks don't pack fire gear but pack shadow gear since it benefits ALL of their spells. You're much better off tossing up a full rack of DoTs and shadowbolting if you have the time to do a full immo cycle.
This is very not true.
There is only 1 dot a destro lock ever has to cast, and that's CoD. If you cast corruption, you're basically wasting your time and mana since it will do less damage than one nuke, has no chance to crit, and prevents you from casting one nuke.
If you cast CoA you are likewise wasting your time and mana. On trash it won't even begin to do any real damage before the mob is dead, and on bosses it's eating up your CoD slot. The only time you should ever cast CoA if you are destro spec is if CoD is resisted, or you're in PVP.
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I've raided with locks that did not touch incin while I was trying incin in the way you described and I was pretty much blown away damage wise.
I don't know why that would be, but it certainly wasn't because you were doing anything wrong. If you like I can email you a screen shot of our last maulgar run wherein I topped the warlock pile with CoD and an incin/conflag cycle.
If you spec destro, play destro. You can easily compete with DoT locks by nuking and if you are destro, DoTs are a waste of your time.
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One of the top warlocks on my server right now runs a 43/0/18 build and does sick as hell damage (as I'm told by Addy). I didn't believe it at first, but I tried it myself and was putting out more damage than fire mages on mobs that had time for multiple DoTs to tick.
Affliction locks are absolutely a viable DPS spec, but they're not the only ones.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Delphi Aegis who doth quote:
When both are 2.5s casts (With bane), they get the same +dam coefficient.
I am fairly certain that this is not true.
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Moreover, it's negated by Shadow and Flame
Shadow and Flame helps shadow damage too, chief.
Bottom line is that DoT locks work, and nuke locks work too.
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Taylen attempted to be funny by writing:
Fairly certain the game figures in the damage coeffecient based off the base cast time of spells, so regardless of your talents shadowbolt gets more bonus.
Shadowbolt retains its full damage coefficient when talented for a reduced cast time.
Mages have been pissing fire about this for months since their main bolt coefficients got nerfed.
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Maradon! had this to say about pies:
Shadow and Flame helps shadow damage too, chief.Bottom line is that DoT locks work, and nuke locks work too.
Well, yes, they do work, but they'll work 5% less effiectively come 2.1 when shadow weaving is nerfed.
I'm assuming though that you have someone else doing your CoS/CoE/CoW, eh Mara?
Cos what's wierd is we have the exact same spec.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Delphi Aegis who doth quote:
Well, yes, they do work, but they'll work 5% less effiectively come 2.1 when shadow weaving is nerfed.I'm assuming though that you have someone else doing your CoS/CoE/CoW, eh Mara?
Cos what's wierd is we have the exact same spec.
it's about 50/50. Nobody casts curse of weakness ever, that's a stupid spell. If one of our affliction locks with malediction is present, they cast that. Other times I'll CoD an offtanked mob and CoE/S another.
It bugs the hell out of me when I have CoD up and cannot cast it.
My long term, sustained DPS is supreme in either case.
Demo is versatile and contemplative.
Destro is frenetic and masochistic.
Means to the same end. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 05-06-2007 at 08:10 PM.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Maradon! was all like:
Affliction is calculating and anticipatory.Demo is versatile and contemplative.
Destro is frenetic and masochistic.
Means to the same end.
I would agree with that assesment, yes.
Destruction is for people who like crap that doesn't always work.
Demonology is for noobs.
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Damnati got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Didn't put enough thought into it when I dropped the 50g to respec last night. Once I'm 70, I'll be dropping the 55 to get this.
The max you pay is 50g.
I think we found the root of your problem.
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Delphi Aegis wrote this stupid crap:
The max you pay is 50g.I think we found the root of your problem.
Ah, I didn't know that. I've gotten spec happy with this character as I wanted to try out Destruction and Affliction but kept going back to Demonology or screwing up the spec.
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ACES! Another post by Damnati:
Didn't put enough thought into it when I dropped the 50g to respec last night. Once I'm 70, I'll be dropping the 55 to get this.
No, you aren't respeccing to that. Shadow Embrace is shit.
Drop four of the five points (keep 1 for an extra affliction effect). Get 2 in soul siphon, 1 in amp curse, 1 in CoEX. Drop one point from suppression and put it in shadowburn. God, get a point in shadowburn somehow. It is dumb to not get that if you spend 10 points in destruction.
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Damnatiing:
Didn't put enough thought into it when I dropped the 50g to respec last night. Once I'm 70, I'll be dropping the 55 to get this.
AaaaaaaAAAHHHHHH!!
That spec makes my EYES BLEED
Let's put one thing to rest here: Do you plan on raiding AT ALL? Or is this purely a PVP spec?
If you want to raid, you're on crack if you don't take Dark Pact. You also NEED amp curse.
You can drop imp HoT, imp CoA, imp drain soul, and probably even unstable affliction. Those are only really useful in PVP, you will rarely use any of those in a raid scenario. Imp drain soul is a stupid talent and nobody should ever take it, ever.
Let me know what your goals are and I will advise you further. Affliction is full of awesome talents but they are highly polarized between pure raid talents and pure pvp talents.
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Maradon! had this to say about Punky Brewster:
Imp drain soul is a stupid talent and nobody should ever take it, ever.
How the hell is 10% aggro reduction on DoTs stupid?
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Falaanla Marr booooze lime pole over bench lick:
How the hell is 10% aggro reduction on DoTs stupid?
Dots are already low threat. Even monster sized affliction spec dots. Only CoD will ever generate any troublesome amount of threat and even that is not hard to manage.
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Falaanla Marr had this to say about Optimus Prime:
How the hell is 10% aggro reduction on DoTs stupid?
It's not so much that it's stupid as it is that there are better talents to spend points on. The aggro reduction isn't too stupendous and the mana return requires you to get the killing blow, so it's not that great when compared to stuff like Soul Siphon, Fel Concentration or Improved Curse of Agony.
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Damnati was all like:
This is what I'm actually using at the moment and it does stupidly high amounts of damage on DoTs alone. I do plan to raid but I've avoided Dark Pact because none of my pets have enough mana to make it worthwhile. Amp Curse and CoEx are pretty meh, in my opinion.
...your imp regenerates mana stupidly fast.
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x--DamnatiO-('-'Q) :
I do plan to raid but I've avoided Dark Pact because none of my pets have enough mana to make it worthwhile.
Dark Pact is bar none the best mana regeneration ability of any class in the entire game.
The base imp regenerates mana at an insane rate. Get a pally to BoW and it will literally regenerate mana faster than you can pact it out of him.
Imp Drain Soul is pretty nice for grinding even if it's not necessary.
Imp Drain Soul is pretty nice for threat reduction.
Bane doesn't reduce the coefficient of Shadowbolt. The only talents that do are Improved Fireball and Improved Frostbolt.
0/21/40 is a Shadowbolt spec. Taeldian fucked around with this message on 05-08-2007 at 05:09 AM.
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From the book of Damnati, chapter 3, verse 16:
This is what I'm actually using at the moment and it does stupidly high amounts of damage on DoTs alone. I do plan to raid but I've avoided Dark Pact because none of my pets have enough mana to make it worthwhile. Amp Curse and CoEx are pretty meh, in my opinion.
Get Dark Pact. Taeldian fucked around with this message on 05-08-2007 at 05:34 AM.
Get Shadowburn.
Get Amp Curse.
Curse of Exhaustion is optional, but I think anyone who doesn't take it is out of their mind.
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x--TaeldianO-('-'Q) :
0/21/40 is a Shadowbolt spec.
No.
