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Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-01-2006 10:48:38 PM
Neverwinter Nights 2 is out! I've been playing it for a few hours now.

The Good: Improvements and New Stuff

-New base class: The Warlock. I don't know what this class is about aside from the fact that they wear skimpy clothes and that they are apparently super-sorcerors (they don't memorize spells, I think, and they get unlimited use out of their spells. Oh, also, they can heal themselves and have a supernuke they can use once per round). Skimpy clothes.

-Improved class: The Ranger. Most of us know that the 3.5 Edition rules was basically made to make the Ranger viable and, when he's outdoors, the Ranger is practically unstoppable, with the speed of a barbarian, the ability to hide in plain sight, gains bonus attacks, combat styles, etc. Not so skimpy, though.

-Prestige Classes: A lot of cool stuff here, from the Master of Pales (Necromancer ubermen) to the Frenzied Beserker (crazy-ass Barbarian to the extreme), Assassin (yeah!), Arcane Trickster (what?).

-Subraces: Drow, Duergar, Planetouched, Svirfneblin, Sun Elves, Moon Elves, Gold Dwarves, Shield Dwarves, Lightfoot Halflings, Strongheart Halflings, Maradon Halflings, etc. Pretty fun! Skimpy? Not so much.

-Graphics: Oh god yes. FINALLY races look amazingly different than each other. Elves are slender, mysterious, alien-looking, not just humans with pointed ears. Dwarves are hardy and stocky, Half-Orcs are titanic. It looks really nice. Elves have nice abs, too, apparently.

Everything looks a billion times smoother and less ugly than before. That's the best way to summarize it.

-Interface: Much easier to use, thank you.

-Dialogue: Pretty hot.

-Four-man party as opposed to "henchman": Also cool.

All in all, this game feels more like a Baldur's Gate sequel and less like a Diablo clone.

The Bad: The Awkward and Needs Improvement

-Combat: It can be a little wonky in the opening levels as you stand around and wait for a Lizardman to hit you. Fortunately, once you gain levels and get more companions, it's less like that. And you blaze through the opening levels in a hurry, really.

-Camera controls: Also a little wonky, probably thanks to the steep requirements of the system.

-A few bugs: Dialogue cuts out on occasion, but it's not too bad.

I haven't seen anything truly "bad" yet, just wonky.

So far, the plot seems kind of cool. It starts out like a typical RPG (yay lets go to the fair o wait were being attacked o god my friends). Thus far, it's pretty fun. The cinematic discussions make it cooler and less of a chore, too.

I made a Wood Elf (+2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Con, -2 Int) Barbarian (hellz yea) and I think I might go Frenzied Beserker so I can have, what, like SIX fucking rages per day. It's hot and so am I.

I'd play it, yo.

Gadani
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posted 11-01-2006 10:52:38 PM
i like it
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-01-2006 10:57:38 PM
quote:
Gadani Model 2000 was programmed to say:
i like it

Oh is that what you think? Or you think you gonna go off and do yo' solo thang?

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 11-01-2006 11:06:53 PM
Wood Elf Barbarian wins the thread.

I'll probably buy it when it's out here. Games only ever come out on Fridays. It's our highest law, alongside enforced afternoon tea.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-01-2006 11:09:10 PM
quote:
Mortious was naked while typing this:
Wood Elf Barbarian wins the thread.

I'll probably buy it when it's out here. Games only ever come out on Fridays. It's our highest law, alongside enforced afternoon tea.


I enjoy it. It's off-beat, unique. I fear this may reawaken my altoholism, though. I already want to make a Ranger.

Willias
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 12:02:49 AM
Ironfist kicks extreme amounts of ass. (I can't remember his first name D:.)

I like how all of the companions and stuff are done like KotoR2.

Willias
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 12:05:14 AM
But yeah, my only beefs with the game so far is that the camera is kinda wonky, but I know that's mostly due to the fact that I don't want to turn the graphics down any. If you have your graphics set to where your computer doesn't lag much, apparently the camera works fine.

Oh, and the spell effects in this game? FUCK YES. Some of the best D&D spell effects EVER.

Trent
Smurfberry Moneyshot
posted 11-02-2006 01:28:00 AM
im stuck in perm encumbrance land! otherwise... it rocks.
Led
*kaboom*
posted 11-02-2006 02:18:43 AM
Yay, I look forward to being able to buy it in four months. Sounds awesome tho :3
Willias
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 02:32:25 AM
Oh, and the dwarf's name is Khelgar Ironfist.

He's a dwarven fighter that loves to beat the shit out of things with his bare hands. Part of his quest line (I guess) is to take him to a monastery in Neverwinter, where he may learn to become a monk. Well, that's as far as my bro and I have gotten with him anyway.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-02-2006 02:49:05 AM
There is another downside: the AI is as dumb as a sack of potatos kicked with bricks.

I just spent five minutes trying to get my team to stop attacking a DOOR.

Also, whenever I try to take control of Neeshka, my Barbarian starts popping her rages like they're candy.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-02-2006 03:01:12 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan wrote this stupid crap:

-New base class: The Warlock. I don't know what this class is about aside from the fact that they wear skimpy clothes and that they are apparently super-sorcerors (they don't memorize spells, I think, and they get unlimited use out of their spells. Oh, also, they can heal themselves and have a supernuke they can use once per round). Skimpy clothes.



How's that balanced?
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-02-2006 03:10:41 AM
quote:
Tarquinn had this to say about Punky Brewster:
How's that balanced?

Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding!

I think you've got it!

Alright, here's the rundown of the Warlock class: 1d6 HD, Light Armor capability, can use a nuke per round (can also upgrade nuke to have special effects and area of effects), can use special spell-effects called "invocations" with unlimited use and no preparation, can eventually heal self once per day and boost resistances once per day.

So basically, no, it's not balanced.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-02-2006 03:15:09 AM
I don't know how the warlock is balanced for NWN, but the warlock presented in the Complete Arcane is not unbalanced.
I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-02-2006 03:57:58 AM
quote:
So quoth Densetsu:
I don't know how the warlock is balanced for NWN, but the warlock presented in the Complete Arcane is not unbalanced.

You're a fat hog and I hate you.

I think I'ma be a 10 Barbarian/10 Frenzied Beserker.

Do you have any idea how wild that is?

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 11-02-2006 06:17:57 AM
Goddammit, I'm not done with Titan Quest, yet! And M2:TW comes out in less than two weeks! ARGH! and such!
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Beer.

Mooj
Scorned Fanboy
posted 11-02-2006 06:45:20 AM
What kind of system does someone need to run this? Do I need to have a top of the line system, or can I have something that can run most of today's stuff with settings pretty low?
New Age Bane
Waste Management Crisis
posted 11-02-2006 10:46:28 AM
Has anyone played around with the Toolset yet?
What am I supposed to in here again? Oh yes something witty and oh so pretty!
Willias
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 11:58:11 AM
quote:
Tarquinn painfully thought these words up:
How's that balanced?

They don't receive near the amount of spells that Sorcerers/Wizards do. Notably, Warlocks also don't receive any death spells.

Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-02-2006 02:50:06 PM
quote:
Tribute? You steal men's Williass, and make them your slaves!
They don't receive near the amount of spells that Sorcerers/Wizards do. Notably, Warlocks also don't receive any death spells.

And by "don't receive near the amount of spells that sorcerers/wizards do" we're talking a 1st level sorcerer knowing a total of 6 spells, a 1st level wizard knowing every 0-level and 1st level spell provided they're in his spellbook, and a 1st level warlock knowing his eldrich blast and ONE other invocation.

This is going by the Complete Arcane, though.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Katrinity
Cookie Goddess!
posted 11-02-2006 02:53:47 PM
Yeah, Warlocks gain one Invocation every even level and one at 1st. So 11 by 20th level. Most of their Invocations either enchance their Eldritch Blasts or themselves in some way.
Cookie Goddess Supreme
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Alberd
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 09:04:19 PM
I've been waiting for this game for months...had it on preorder for over half a year. I finally get to go pick up the game, come home, pop it in the drive...

Find out I payed $50 for a blank DVD. I just have such wonderful luck.

To live by the sword is to die by the sword.
Honor those who honor thee, be merciful to those who show thee mercy.
To those who offend thee and thine, show no mercy.
Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 11-02-2006 09:14:55 PM
quote:
Die, Alberd! You don't belong in this world!
I've been waiting for this game for months...had it on preorder for over half a year. I finally get to go pick up the game, come home, pop it in the drive...

Find out I payed $50 for a blank DVD. I just have such wonderful luck.


Go exchange it for another copy.

I was in the Virgin Islands once. I met a girl, we ate lobster, drank piƱa coladas. At sunset, we made love like sea otters. That was a pretty good day. Why couldn't I get that day over, and over?
Burori
Pancake
posted 11-02-2006 09:33:27 PM
Heh you are lucky EBgames lost my DVD copy and gave me the fucken CD rom copy... so instead of 1 disk to install I have 7.... (eb games are runned by whores)
Neverwinter Nights Characters:

Race: Dwarf
Name: (Kill) Kilinus
Class: Fighter/Weapon Master/ Doom Knight
Level: 14
Allignent: Neutral Evil
Diety: Bane

Maradon!
posted 11-02-2006 11:20:15 PM
I hate games where you have a party that you have to boss around... especially when the AI sucks :\

I end up just letting everybody die.

Palador ChibiDragon
Dismembered
posted 11-02-2006 11:53:12 PM
quote:
Densetsu enlisted the help of an infinite number of monkeys to write:
I don't know how the warlock is balanced for NWN, but the warlock presented in the Complete Arcane is not unbalanced.

I know a GM that let someone play a Warlock, and take the Spellfire feat from another book.

You want to talk unbalanced?

I believe in the existance of magic, not because I have seen proof of its existance, but because I refuse to live in a world where it does not exist.
Willias
Pancake
posted 11-03-2006 12:09:44 AM
quote:
This one time, at Maradon! camp:
I hate games where you have a party that you have to boss around... especially when the AI sucks :\

I end up just letting everybody die.


At least party members don't end up permanently dead in this one.

But seriously, for Single Player, that's why there's a pause button. Multiplayer is far harder with full PvP on. No pauses, and wizards with AoEs that hurt everyone! Fun fun!

Peter
Pancake
posted 11-03-2006 08:49:48 AM
Controls are bugging me, and maybe It is because I am comeing from DDO, combat seems slow as fucking balls to me. How ever does seem nice, What I would like is if they decide to make expsansion in other settings, I would like to see an Ebberon setting in this style game.
Willias
Pancake
posted 11-03-2006 11:39:00 AM
Well, DDO is more hack and slash, this is more true to actual D&D.
Maradon!
posted 11-03-2006 01:57:02 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Willias booooze lime pole over bench lick:
But seriously, for Single Player, that's why there's a pause button. Multiplayer is far harder with full PvP on. No pauses, and wizards with AoEs that hurt everyone! Fun fun!

I end up pausing, giving everybody one order, unpausing, and controlling my main character while everybody else performs their one order then either does something fantastically stupid or dies.

Just like I did in BG2

Willias
Pancake
posted 11-03-2006 02:22:54 PM
Actually, thus far (note I've been alternating between a SP campaign as a paladin and a MP campaign that I'm playing with my brother), I really haven't had to control my companions much.

I let Khelgar do what ever the hell he wants, and I have Neeshka equipped with a bow, so she stays nicely out of the way.

I know it'll get tougher with additional spell casters though, but since my main character is a Paladin, I won't have to control him much.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-03-2006 05:28:59 PM
Basically, you just need to put spellcasters or Barbarians on Puppet Mode.

Neeshka and Khelgar can't really screw things up. Except that, occasionally, Neeshka breaks off combat to disarm a trap and Khelgar goes running over a trap to get to the enemies.

Eleena usually doesn't act too stupid if you limit her spellcasting.

Your character, however, is seven times dumber than your companions. Be sure to put any Barbarian on puppet mode because you can't stop them from using Rage whenever they want, even with Behavior modifications.

Willias
Pancake
posted 11-03-2006 08:29:47 PM
My problem with Eleena is that the elf seems to love spending time in animal forms, and loves spamming just about every spell she has memorized, except for her heals.

But other than that, she isn't too bad left alone either.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-03-2006 08:31:54 PM
She does pretty well if you tone her down a little. The companions tend to stick to the Behavior mods, while your main characater does not...or maybe it's just a Barbarian thing. Maybe I should start a Sorceror.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-04-2006 10:26:07 PM
Here are my tips thus far.

-If you're a melee class, Power Attack does a lot to bring down zombies, skeletons and animals (like wolves). They have more hit points than god, but low armor. Cleave, great cleave, and power attack will bring down tons of them in short order.

-Buy every hat you find. Seriously. The Swashbuckler's Hat adds a +2 to your diplomacy and the other helmets can add to your concentration and the others have more bonuses.

Not that Diplomacy helps me much with a low Charisma score and no ranks in it. Intimidate I can do fairly easily (though I wish they had kept it as IWD2 and make it STR-based instead of CHA), but bluffing and lying aren't my strong suits.

Ergo, the next character I create will either be a Bard or a Sorceror so I can start seducing people. It's a conflict between the two, though. Anyways, you can usually get a lot more gold and items through Diplomacy, so don't undervalue it!

What's everyone else playing? I restarted my Barbarian to be human and I'm pretty happy with it.

Alberd
Pancake
posted 11-05-2006 12:02:54 AM
Can anyone tell me how to kill that god damned blade golem in the Githyanki hideout? I swear I did 500 points of damage to that thing and watched it's life bar drop to nothing. I've been attacking this thing for half an hour now but it just won't die.
To live by the sword is to die by the sword.
Honor those who honor thee, be merciful to those who show thee mercy.
To those who offend thee and thine, show no mercy.
Alberd
Pancake
posted 11-05-2006 12:08:41 AM
Blah double post.

Alberd fucked around with this message on 11-05-2006 at 12:10 AM.

To live by the sword is to die by the sword.
Honor those who honor thee, be merciful to those who show thee mercy.
To those who offend thee and thine, show no mercy.
Alberd
Pancake
posted 11-05-2006 12:11:46 AM
quote:
Alberd stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Can anyone tell me how to kill that god damned blade golem in the Githyanki hideout? I swear I did 500 points of damage to that thing and watched it's life bar drop to nothing. I've been attacking this thing for half an hour now but it just won't die.

Apparently this is a common bug. So if you have the same problem at this part, there's a bunch of workarounds here on the NWN forums.

I swear I didn't mean to make -three- posts. Tired and pressed the wrong button.

Alberd fucked around with this message on 11-05-2006 at 12:12 AM.

To live by the sword is to die by the sword.
Honor those who honor thee, be merciful to those who show thee mercy.
To those who offend thee and thine, show no mercy.
Peter
Pancake
posted 11-05-2006 07:49:10 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan was naked while typing this:
....What's everyone else playing? I restarted my Barbarian to be human and I'm pretty happy with it.

I started with my regular choice of fighter, but I am thinking of giveing the Warlock class a shot, or shoot for arcan archer, and take diffrent party members.

Taeldian
Pancake
posted 11-05-2006 12:11:46 PM
quote:
Not that Diplomacy helps me much with a low Charisma score and no ranks in it. Intimidate I can do fairly easily (though I wish they had kept it as IWD2 and make it STR-based instead of CHA), but bluffing and lying aren't my strong suits.[/QB]

Meh, cha makes more sense.

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