Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
"I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."
-- George Herbert Walker Bush
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No. I think its a dramatic statement. These broads are millionaires stalked by stalked by grief-parazzies? I have never seen people enjoying their husbands deaths so much?
This about sums it up. If she wasn't out there making crazy statements like that, who would have her on talk shows or buy her books? Generalizations like that make her money.
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The propaganda machine of Delidgamond's junta released this statement:
I see nothing of Jim Norton in that news post
Oh, I heard in on O&A on the train ride into work this morning.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
What I believe she's referring to is how anti-war political activists like Cindy Sheehan actually celebrate things like the deaths of civilians and armed forces in Iraq. On some dim and tertiary level they realize that such things are bad, but this is by far less important to them than the political leverage that is granted to them by the bad things.
They have a vested interest in seeing America fail, so that they can say they were right all along and that war never solves anything. The worst nightmare of every anti-war activist is that the war will actually succeed. Averting this is paramount. All other things, including human life, are secondary.
How can you tell this is true? How do you KNOW that they care about getting their side back into office more than they care about innocent human life? By observing their actions and the things they advocate; they advocate actions that put the failure of the war, percieved or otherwise, ahead of protecting human life. For example, John Murtha's cut-and-run strategy that any sane person knows would result in a bloodbath. The utter lack of sympathy for the horrendous conditions the Iraqi suffered under Saddam is another good example.
For people like the Jersey Girls, John Murtha, Barbara Striesand, and god knows how many others, American military and civilian deaths are a political tool, and they openly celebrate them.
Ann Coulter's fault here, and the reason she sounds like a crackpot, is because she isn't using any specific examples and is instead generalizing.
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Blindy.ing:
I'd imagine the reason the democrats use these "infalibles" is because every normal person that they have speak up gets ripped to shreads by the republican spin machine within 2 minutes.
It's easy to do that when the person speaking up has no logical basis for what they're saying.
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I wish Maradon! would say this more often:
It's easy to do that when the person speaking up has no logical basis for what they're saying.
You mean like Michael Schiavo?
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ACES! Another post by Blindy.:
You mean like Michael Schiavo?
You mean the murdering polygamist? 
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JooJooFlop's momma would never want to hear them say:
You mean the murdering polygamist?
Yeah that's the one.
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Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Blindy. who doth quote:
You mean like Michael Schiavo?
Michael Schiavo was an anti-war activist? I had no idea!
In fact, he wasn't an activist of any kind 
Nor was he really maligned at all, all the right-to-lifers did was point out his inconsistant and suspicious behavior, which he never tried to defend. They even had first hand testimony to back it up.
But I'm sure that's just the neocon spin machine at work, right? Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 11:33 AM.
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Maradon!'s opinion of themself must be pretty good:
Michael Schiavo was an anti-war activist? I had no idea!In fact, he wasn't an activist of any kind
No, he was just a normal person who got ripped to shreads by the republican spin machine for standing up for something he believed in.
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Blindy. had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
No, he was just a normal person who got ripped to shreads by the republican spin machine for standing up for something he believed in.
All while standing next to Terri Schiavo's parents so they could deflect any criticism with "SHE'S THEIR DAUGHTER!!!"
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Peanut butter ass Shaq Blindy. booooze lime pole over bench lick:
No, he was just a normal person who got ripped to shreads by the republican spin machine for standing up for something he believed in.
Only if you see failure to canonize a person as "ripping them apart"
By the way, what has this got to do with anti-war activists again? Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 11:35 AM.
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Maradon! attempted to be funny by writing:
Only if you see failure to canonize a person as "ripping them apart"
Claiming he was abusive and responsible for Terri's condition, that he wanted her dead "for the money," the harassment of his fiance and children...
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maradon! said:
By the way, what has this got to do with anti-war activists again?
Nothing. That isn't part of the criteria for the argument. He's showing someone who was ripped to shreds by the right wing who had perfectly logical explainations for his words and actions.
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x--JooJooFlopO-('-'Q) :
Claiming he was abusive and responsible for Terri's condition, that he wanted her dead "for the money," the harassment of his fiance and children...
Never heard a "for the money" argument. The argument I always heard was that he wanted her dead so she could never testify that he had abused her.
At any rate, any rational person who made these claims was relying on evidence and first hand testimony of the nurses who cared for Terri Schiavo around her husband. There was a lot of solid evidence and testimony that at the very least pointed toward Michael being a very suspicious character, and almost none that suggested a loving husband.
What has this got to do with anti-war activists, again?
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JooJooFloping:
Nothing. That isn't part of the criteria for the argument. He's showing someone who was ripped to shreds by the right wing who had perfectly logical explainations for his words and actions.
He made the claim that the "right wing" does this to anti-war activists as well.
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I gotta give it to Maradon! with:
Never heard a "for the money" argument. The argument I always heard was that he wanted her dead so she could never testify that he had abused her.
That's funny, because that's just about all I ever heard from people around here.
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At any rate, any rational person who made these claims was relying on evidence and first hand testimony of the nurses who cared for Terri Schiavo around her husband. There was a lot of solid evidence and testimony that at the very least pointed toward Michael being a very suspicious character, and almost none that suggested a loving husband.
No there wasn't. But you're doing a good job of proving how effective the spin machine is.
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What has this got to do with anti-war activists, again?
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
There was a lot of solid evidence and testimony that at the very least pointed toward Michael being a very suspicious character, and almost none that suggested a loving husband.What has this got to do with anti-war activists, again?
Sure, if you want to ignore the years of his life he spent traveling across the country trying to find cures for her. He spent an insane amount of time and money trying to save his wife, he only gave up after nearly every reputable doctor told her there was nothing they could do since her brain was mostly liquified.
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That's funny, because that's just about all I ever heard from people around here.
Not from me.
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No there wasn't. But you're doing a good job of proving how effective the spin machine is.
Yes there was, tons. Live, first-person testimony, medical records of past abuse, all sorts of shit. You just never paid any attention to it because you were too busy marching in lockstep with the democrats.
Your contention that it's all from a "spin machine" is a self-reinforcing delusion.
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Blindy.ing:
What does the article say that limits the scope of it's debate to anti-war activists?
You implied that this happens to anti-war activists as well, then failed to back that up.
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Sure, if you want to ignore the years of his life he spent traveling across the country trying to find cures for her. He spent an insane amount of time and money trying to save his wife, he only gave up after nearly every reputable doctor told her there was nothing they could do since her brain was mostly liquified.
Nobody ever mentioned this during the debate. Every account I've ever heard from either side of the debate contended that Michael was trying to end her life less than a year after she was declared comatose, and that his money was spent on trying and retrying the right-to-death cases.
I'm an aetheist. My position was always that Terri should have been put out of her misery by way of lethal injection. I have no dog in this fight. All I know is that Michael Schaivo was held up on the shoulders of the left as a champion and because of that a substantial body of evidence that could have indicated criminal intent was ignored utterly. Now that is spin.
As for the people who actively demonized him, that's really no different from the people who call George Bush stupid or a nazi. The intellectually bankrupt make plenty of asinine characterizations on both sides of the fence. It hardly constitutes "spin" in either case.
But that's all totally irrelevant to anything at this point anyway. Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 12:04 PM.
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There was much rejoicing when Maradon! said this:
Yes there was, tons. Live, first-person testimony, medical records of past abuse, all sorts of shit. You just never paid any attention to it because you were too busy marching in lockstep with the democrats.
Live, first-person testimony with the most amazing graphics and richly detailed settings!
Anyway, what medical records of past abuse? I know there have been alligations but every investigation of them turned up nothing.
Of course he didn't wait very long to start trying to end her life: it's what she wanted, and there was never any chance of a cure. Duh. Good guy, bad guy, devil, or saint, none of it has anything at all to do with the actual issue, and anyone pointing to his character for any reason has ulterior motives and a political point to make.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Maradon! had this to say about Optimus Prime:
[QB]Nobody ever mentioned this during the debate. Every account I've ever heard from either side of the debate contended that Michael was trying to end her life less than a year after she was declared comatose, and that his money was spent on trying and retrying the right-to-death cases.
It was 8 years.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Schiavo/story?id=531632&page=1
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But I'd really rather not restart all of this Schiavo stuff again, so Im backing down 
Maradon! fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 12:21 PM.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Maradon! absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Incidentally, whether right or wrong, Michael Schaivo is a good example of an individual that is placed beyond question by their tragic circumstances, the prevailing logic being "How DARE you question somebody who is going through such a tragedy!"
Not at all. The very fact of questioning him is irrelevant to the medical issue. That's the point you seem unable to grasp. It's not a giant left-wing conspiracy to deify him because he's politically useful, although anyone talking about what a bad person he is is, definitely and deliberately, clouding the issue for political ends.
His character or past actions are simply irrelevant.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Did someone say Maradon!:
Incidentally, whether right or wrong, Michael Schaivo is a good example of an individual that is placed beyond question by their tragic circumstances, the prevailing logic being "How DARE you question somebody who is going through such a tragedy!"
Yeah I heard that approximately zero times between accusations of murder, infidelity, greed, abuse, and felony abuse.
The point is that even people with a logical leg to stand on that go up against the Republican platform these days are absolutely hammered. Something that you indicated doesn't happen.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabbits doth run and play while Blindy. gently hums:
Yeah I heard that approximately zero times between accusations of murder, infidelity, greed, abuse, and felony abuse.The point is that even people with a logical leg to stand on that go up against the Republican platform these days are absolutely hammered. Something that you indicated doesn't happen.
Sorry, dude, but the left is just as bad and just as illogical.
Welcome to politics.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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This one time, at band camp, Bloodsage said:
Sorry, dude, but the left is just as bad and just as illogical.Welcome to politics.
Did I indicate otherwise?
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Quoth Blindy.:
Did I indicate otherwise?
Absolutely. By making a big deal of Republicans doing it, you imply that it's not only a bad thing but something out of the ordinary. If it were business as usual for everybody, why would you be complaining?
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage stopped lurking long enough to say:
Absolutely. By making a big deal of Republicans doing it, you imply that it's not only a bad thing but something out of the ordinary. If it were business as usual for everybody, why would you be complaining?
ah, I see. It's just that the republicans are the ones with the microphone these days, so they are the ones providing the more topical issues. I don't like it from any party. Blindy. fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 12:44 PM.
Instead, she's all pissed off that everytime she employs her standard tactic of personal attacks, she comes off like a gigantic C-bomb. She's not really pissed off about their arguments, but she is pissed off that she can't smear them like normal.
In addition, you have to wonder if she has any sympathy at all for anyone, or if her ethical system has no room for such things.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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We all got dumber when Karnaj said:
I think Coulter only knows how to attack people, rather than their arguments. Note that, during the interview, not once does she bring up what these 9/11 widows are saying, only that they are saying it. They even make it pretty clear what they're all about.Instead, she's all pissed off that everytime she employs her standard tactic of personal attacks, she comes off like a gigantic C-bomb. She's not really pissed off about their arguments, but she is pissed off that she can't smear them like normal.
In addition, you have to wonder if she has any sympathy at all for anyone, or if her ethical system has no room for such things.
Given her media whore status, do you really think she has an ethical system?
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Blindy. screamed this from the crapper:
Given her media whore status, do you really think she has an ethical system?
Sure she does. She obeys the laws of the land for the most part. That's indicative of a personal ethical system on her part. Never said it was a sophisticated one, though.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj had this to say about Tron:
Sure she does. She obeys the laws of the land for the most part. That's indicative of a personal ethical system on her part. Never said it was a sophisticated one, though.
Obeying the laws of the land is somewhat of a moot point when it comes to morality even if you believe that obeying the law is good without regard for the law being obeyed since, especially for someone who is that exposed, not doing so carries severe risk. Paying taxes is not a moral choice in most circumstances, even if your taxes do some good, giving to charity often is, since you are actually free to not do it and would not suffer damage, but a net material benefit if you didn't.
Also Maradon do you even acknowledge that it is possible to oppose the war in Iraq and be logical about it? Mod fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 02:43 PM.
Some, especially in relation to the 9/11 tragedy, are using their circumstances as a reason to make a political standing. And she's right in that someone taking the opposite side or arguing against the point the "victims of the tragedy" make is villified in society and seen as evil and unsympathetic.
I might not agree with the way she's going about it, but I do agree that either through their own use or society's own beliefs, we're placing these people in positions to make these statements and not allowing a rebuttal to be made to what they have to say.
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