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Lyinar Ka`Bael had this to say about John Romero:
Right or left aside, and crackpot or not, she does raise an interesting point and seeing the outcry against it just strengthens the logic.Some, especially in relation to the 9/11 tragedy, are using their circumstances as a reason to make a political standing. And she's right in that someone taking the opposite side or arguing against the point the "victims of the tragedy" make is villified in society and seen as evil and unsympathetic.
I might not agree with the way she's going about it, but I do agree that either through their own use or society's own beliefs, we're placing these people in positions to make these statements and not allowing a rebuttal to be made to what they have to say.
You have to differentiate between the motives of the people doing it and the party-political strategists doing it. 9/11 and its victims have been taken up as a major propaganda tool to support a million different agendas, a lot of them throughly reprehensible. If someone I knew had died in that way I wouldn't want them to be used to promote policies they would disagree with.
Yes the Democratic press office is probably pretty glad that those women are around and have lost their husbands in the same way the Republican press office is glad that their husbands got blown up by Arabs and not Scientologists. It's part of emotion warfare, you throw out figures that people are not only sympathetic to but feel compelled to be sympathetic to, see: crime victims, children, etc.
Edit: Ann Coulter didn't just say 'Well, the Democrats are using victims of a tragedy to promote their agenda', which is a debatable point, she's personally attacking them all for 'enjoying the deaths of their husbands' and whatnot, I'm sure someone said something about using victims on tragedy for political gain being bad at some point in the last few years without being a horrible person about it. Mod fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 06:00 PM.
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A sleep deprived Mod stammered:
...the Republican press office is glad that their husbands got blown up by Arabs and not Scientologists
I dunno. If the later had been the case, that at least, would have given us cause to drop the big one on Tom Cruise. Or least fill his mouth in with cement.
quote:"Appearing in Playboy and getting divorced--neither of those being scenarios Ann Coulter is ever going to have to deal with in her life." or "Imagine trying to defend her on judgement day. And trying to find her soul."
I can't decide which quote is better from the Keith Olbermann slamming Coulter video.
Talonus fucked around with this message on 06-07-2006 at 10:25 PM.
While Coulter is getting ripped to shreds, and probably deservedly so, I doubt she cares as it will serve only to solidify her position with the people she cares about and prove her point in the process. If anything you have to admit that she is a very intellegent woman for being able to set up a clean scenario like this.
Is that weird?
She's hot in a "Jennifer Aniston gone feral" sort of fashion.
Totally tranny.
Yes. In this particular case, Coulter is correct. The idea of becoming an expert when something happens to someone around you isn't new. Both sides use it. Pro-war folks quote families of dead soldiers who say their kid wouldn't want this left half-finished, anti-war folks the opposite.
The problem is that when someone is quoted as saying their kid wouldn't want things left unfinished, they're given the three minute sound bite and it moves on. Especially in this conflict, the anti-war parents of the dead have been in the spotlight (by hook or by crook) far too long. Sheehan especially. She's been all over the country. On her dime? Of course not. She's being paid.
And that's what REALLY bugs me. If I join the military in this day and age, I'm legally an adult. I may not understand the nitty gritty consequences of killing someone in war or being shot at or being shot or anything like that, but I am an adult and it is my choice. We're not in a draftee army, folks. We're in a volunteer army. If I were to go into the military and get killed, I would hope my parents love me enough to grieve, but I would hate to think they'd take it as an opportunity to vouch for my political beliefs. And I'd certainly hate for them to get into this martyr mentality.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what we're talking about. It's martyrdom without the martyring. If I die, my parent isn't the martyr. They lost someone important to them. But they didn't make the sacrifice. Their child did. And it's disgusting to me when I see other people, even parents, take credit for that sacrifice and worse MAKE MONEY OFF OF DOING SO.
And as far as I know Michael Schiavo didn't take up the "right to die" cause on a huge scale until Jeb Bush and company got into it on the other side. Michael Schiavo's only down side in my view (and even then it's only a "maybe") is that he didn't give Terri over to her parents and let them foot the bill.
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