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Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 04-11-2006 03:32:38 PM
Hello Gents, I am a level 35 Warrior on the Bleeding Hollow server. My goal is to be an ideal Off Tank(probably with a 2h) that is versatile to function as an MT(sword + board) if need be, and also to be able to contend in PvP so that roaming alliance jackasses dont gank me.

Using this set of criteria, please pummel me with your vastly superior knowledge.

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-11-2006 03:40:42 PM
MS build.

That's it.

Naj
I asked for a title and didn't get banned!
posted 04-11-2006 03:41:43 PM
Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Deflection - 2/5 points
Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
Improved Charge - 2/2 points
Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Impale - 2/2 points
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5 points
Sweeping Strikes - 1/1 point
Sword Specialization - 5/5 points
Mortal Strike - 1/1 point

Cruelty - 5/5 points

Anticipation - 5/5 points
Improved Bloodrage - 2/2 points
Toughness - 3/5 points
Last Stand - 1/1 point
Defiance - 4/5 points

Basic hybrid build, 31/5/15

Yes, you want last stand.

Yuri
posted 04-11-2006 03:59:00 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Naj stammered:
Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Deflection - 2/5 points
Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
Improved Charge - 2/2 points
Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Impale - 2/2 points
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5 points
Sweeping Strikes - 1/1 point
Sword Specialization - 5/5 points
Mortal Strike - 1/1 point

Cruelty - 5/5 points

Anticipation - 5/5 points
Improved Bloodrage - 2/2 points
Toughness - 3/5 points
Last Stand - 1/1 point
Defiance - 4/5 points

Basic hybrid build, 31/5/15

Yes, you want last stand.


QFT

This man is wise.

Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-11-2006 04:04:07 PM
quote:
Naj wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Improved Rend - 3/3 points
Deflection - 2/5 points
Tactical Mastery - 5/5 points
Improved Charge - 2/2 points
Deep Wounds - 3/3 points
Improved Overpower - 2/2 points
Impale - 2/2 points
Two-Handed Weapon Specialization - 5/5 points
Sweeping Strikes - 1/1 point
Sword Specialization - 5/5 points
Mortal Strike - 1/1 point

Cruelty - 5/5 points

Anticipation - 5/5 points
Improved Bloodrage - 2/2 points
Toughness - 3/5 points
Last Stand - 1/1 point
Defiance - 4/5 points

Basic hybrid build, 31/5/15

Yes, you want last stand.


Won't he have trouble getting rage to use his abilities without Unbridled Wrath, Shield Spec, or at the very least exploiting the Anger Management bug?

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-11-2006 04:04:52 PM
quote:
Ruvyen stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Won't he have trouble getting rage to use his abilities without Unbridled Wrath, Shield Spec, or at the very least exploiting the Anger Management bug?

Bloodrage/Charge

Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-11-2006 04:08:48 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
Bloodrage/Charge

I usually keep Bloodrage around as an "OHSHT NEED AGGRO NOW OR GROUP WIPES" button, instead of spamming it. The cooldown isn't very long at all, but I'd rather have it available the second I need it. Charge is great for short fights and closing the distance between you and an opponent, but the rage gets used up quickly.

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-11-2006 04:10:44 PM
quote:
From the book of Ruvyen, chapter 3, verse 16:
I usually keep Bloodrage around as an "OHSHT NEED AGGRO NOW OR GROUP WIPES" button, instead of spamming it. The cooldown isn't very long at all, but I'd rather have it available the second I need it. Charge is great for short fights and closing the distance between you and an opponent, but the rage gets used up quickly.

You're an idiot.

Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-11-2006 04:27:14 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about dark elf butts:
You're an idiot.

By keeping all the good cards in my hand, I can play them when my group needs them the most.

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Taylen
Pancake
posted 04-11-2006 05:34:38 PM
By playing the good cards when you can, your group shouldn't get into trouble.
"When correctly viewed, everything is lewd." - Tom Lehrer.
Sadomasochism: It's Fun!
Taylen Ashenbow
Rangers never run we mearly stratigically retreat.
Thats not a train thats a pull, my trains are always much bigger.
Vorago
A completely different kind of Buckethead
posted 04-11-2006 06:17:29 PM
Have they fixed that bug yet where Bloodrage can be used to generate a full rage bar ahead of time?
Aaron (the good one)
posted 04-11-2006 06:22:23 PM
quote:
Oh Vorago. Oh Vorago! Oh Vorago!!;
Have they fixed that bug yet where Bloodrage can be used to generate a full rage bar ahead of time?

1.10

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Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 06:23:44 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Ruvyen booooze lime pole over bench lick:
By keeping all the good cards in my hand, I can play them when my group needs them the most.

Shit someone beat me to this comment.

Dammit.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-11-2006 at 06:24 PM.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 04-11-2006 06:26:09 PM
And what is this crap I see going on where warriors bounce around in circles while dualing? Is there a way to combat this sort of thing, or is the counter just to bounce as well?
"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Sean
posted 04-11-2006 06:41:23 PM
quote:
Manticore thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
And what is this crap I see going on where warriors bounce around in circles while dualing? Is there a way to combat this sort of thing, or is the counter just to bounce as well?

Entangling Roots. Frost Nova. Stuns.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Flea
Pancake
posted 04-11-2006 07:27:21 PM
Arms Talents - 17 point(s)

Improved Heroic Strike rank 2/3
Improved Rend rank 3/3
Tactical Mastery rank 5/5
Improved Overpower rank 2/2
Deep Wounds rank 3/3
Impale rank 2/2

Fury Talents - 34 point(s)
Cruelty rank 5/5
Unbridled Wrath rank 5/5
Improved Cleave rank 2/3
Piercing Howl rank 1/1
Improved Battle Shout rank 4/5
Dual Wield Specialization rank 5/5
Enrage rank 5/5
Death Wish rank 1/1
Flurry rank 5/5
Bloodthirst rank 1/1


My current spec, Will probably change it up to get rid of imp cleave in favor of imp intercept now that I moved my warrior in the transfers to a new pvp server. This build is extremely gear dependent though. Without the gear, it sucks, with it, it owns, bad.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 04-11-2006 08:00:47 PM
quote:
Check out the big brain on Sean!
Entangling Roots. Frost Nova. Stuns.

I'm a Tauren Warrior, so would stomp + hamstring work?

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 08:41:40 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Manticore who doth quote:
And what is this crap I see going on where warriors bounce around in circles while dualing? Is there a way to combat this sort of thing, or is the counter just to bounce as well?

Those would be people who started life as a heavy PVP rogue, then quit once rogues were no longer the i-win class in PVP and just never ditched the "footwork" habit.

Amazingly, they claim that running around in circles like an idiot actually requires skill.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 04-11-2006 08:44:18 PM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about John Romero:
Those would be people who started life as a heavy PVP rogue, then quit once rogues were no longer the i-win class in PVP and just never ditched the "footwork" habit.

Amazingly, they claim that running around in circles like an idiot actually requires skill.


So does it actually accomplish anything?

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 08:46:58 PM
quote:
Over the mountain, in between the ups and downs, I ran into Manticore who doth quote:
So does it actually accomplish anything?

Makes it a lot harder for a caster to nuke you because of facing requirements.

Of course, if a warrior is hitting you and you're trying to nuke, you've probably already lost anyways.

No more facing requirement on fear though! Gleeeeee!

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-11-2006 at 08:47 PM.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 09:04:33 PM
Jumping around like a mongoloid monkey is taking it way too far, however saying any footwork is unnecessary (not saying you said that, just presenting the other end of the spectrum ;P) is equally asinine.

While fighting casters, footwork is paramount. Repeatedly running straight through them will screw with their spells with a cast time, and the caster will even have problems with instant casts if you are out of facing at the time.

Even against melee classes it can be a great help. Every split second that you are not able to be hit will allow you to eke out a bit more DPS without it being returned.

Also, there are still people out there that use their WASD keys exclusively. Since they cannot turn anywhere near as fast, you can circle strafe around them for an easy victory ^-^

Hamstring is your greatest asset versus these people... or heck, anyone! The very first thing I do after a charge is hit hamstring. Even if it is a class with an escape ability (frost nova + blink, or icetrap+FD) they will still be slowed by the hamstring, meaning they cannot move as far while you patiently wait it out ;P

Other lil tips!

If a mage frost novas you, smack intimidating shout if you have enough rage. FN is 8 seconds. Int shout is 8 seconds. Rah ;D

You can pop gouge with berserker rage ^-^ I have smooshed many a rogue who thought they could stunlock me with impunity, hehe.

When paladins pop their shields to heal, bandage yourself if you can, or failing that, run away! By the time they decide to finish healing, you can be far enough away to be out of combat and be able to charge again.

And other things as I think of them ;x

Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 09:05:15 PM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about (_|_):
No more facing requirement on fear though! Gleeeeee!

Deathwish

Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 09:08:01 PM
quote:
Peanut butter ass Shaq Led booooze lime pole over bench lick:
Deathwish

Oh wait a second, I thought you warriors were always saying Warlocks were invincible and impossible to kill because of seduce/shadowbolt?

Which is it now?

Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 09:12:13 PM
I never said any such thing.

Then again, I am not 60 yet ;x

I would say the classes I hate fighting the most are druids and paladins. They give me the hardest time... not warlocks :3

Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 09:14:48 PM
K, just checking, cause the prevailing attitude around here lately has been that warriors have no hope against warlocks.
Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 09:30:34 PM
The only thing I have no hope against is a better player.

But even then I get lucky

Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 09:34:55 PM
What level ARE you anyway?
Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-11-2006 09:35:30 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Taylen stammered:
By playing the good cards when you can, your group shouldn't get into trouble.

Except that almost never happens.

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 09:41:12 PM
quote:
x--RuvyenO-('-'Q) :
Except that almost never happens.

Yes it does, and even if it didn't you wouldn't know. Everybody and their mom uses bloodrage all the time. You're not playing the class to it's potential.

Maradon! fucked around with this message on 04-11-2006 at 09:41 PM.

Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 09:46:33 PM
Seriously. Bloodrage is only on a minute cooldown, use that puppy! ;P

And as in levels... which warrior? I have like... five!

My highest one is 46 ;p

Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 09:47:30 PM
Jeeze my warrior alt is like nine levels higher than your warrior main.
Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-11-2006 09:49:20 PM
quote:
Maradon!'s account was hax0red to write:
Yes it does, and even if it didn't you wouldn't know. Everybody and their mom uses bloodrage all the time. You're not playing the class to it's potential.

I seem to be doing just fine, acutally.

If I use bloodrage when the extra rage wouldn't be of as much use, I have to wait another minute to use it again. A lot can happen in a minute. Say my group's fighting something, doing really well, and an add comes along and aggroes the rogue. An extra ten rage would really help right then. I can't get that ten rage instantly if I used bloodrage thirty seconds earlier.

I'm not saying I never use it, either; I use it quite a bit, actually. I just prefer to be more cautious with it.

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 10:00:48 PM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Duck Tales:
Jeeze my warrior alt is like nine levels higher than your warrior main.

I was kinda busy for a year there ;D

Still am

But I still know my stuff :3

Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 04-11-2006 10:07:49 PM
quote:
Led wrote this stupid crap:
Deathwish

Btw, deathwish, zerker rage and the like will cancel death coil (Perhaps not reactive, but certainly pro-active) as of 1.11.

El oh el~

Anakha
my standards skyrocket when im on my keyboard heh
posted 04-11-2006 10:08:39 PM
don't worry, pallies only become easier as they get up to the 60s.
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Maradon!
posted 04-11-2006 10:09:26 PM
Haha, if that's true then it's pretty much a complete renege on the whole death coil premise.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 04-11-2006 10:10:34 PM
quote:
A sleep deprived Maradon! stammered:
Haha, if that's true then it's pretty much a complete renege on the whole death coil premise.

I only saw it in some translated from chinese patch notes. Who knows. The same notes also give mages a "Steal spell" ability (Wtf?) and IAE and Evocation for free.

/shrug

Led
*kaboom*
posted 04-11-2006 10:12:19 PM
All I wish for at the moment is a buff to protection spec to make it at least somewhat viable for pvp ;x
Razor
posted 04-11-2006 10:44:50 PM
quote:
Led had this to say about John Romero:
All I wish for at the moment is a buff to protection spec to make it at least somewhat viable for pvp ;x

It is viable for pvp, as long as you have a good group with you. Priests + rogueids = love.

I'm a heavy prot spec, very heavy, as in 8/7/36 spec. When I get around to PvP i'm stanging in the middle of 5 horde beating on me while acting as a good ol meat shield for my priest friend to heal, and my rougeid friend to beat the ever loving crap out of their tank.

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Densetsu
NOT DRYSART
posted 04-12-2006 12:04:58 AM
quote:
Maradon! had this to say about Knight Rider:
Haha, if that's true then it's pretty much a complete renege on the whole death coil premise.

Didn't either 1.9 or 1.10 actually say that effects that allow you to be immune to fear will now let you be immune to Death Coil? I was quite sure I read that in actual patch notes a little while back.

quote:
Razor painfully thought these words up:
rougeid

BTW, that's the dumbest name for a cat-form druid I've ever, ever heard.

Densetsu fucked around with this message on 04-12-2006 at 12:07 AM.

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