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Topic: New blog of mine.
Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-06-2005 12:02:45 PM
and I really don't care if you read it or not. I'm going to write a 30 day review about my OS-X impressions starting today.

Here's the URL http://macfessions.blogspot.com/

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 07-06-2005 12:15:11 PM
Bookmarked. Seriously.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 07-06-2005 at 12:15 PM.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 07-06-2005 12:17:01 PM
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Naimah
In a Fire
posted 07-06-2005 12:42:01 PM
I'll bite.
Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 07-06-2005 12:49:45 PM
Ok I read it. Started with a trash 80 huh? Ever have a timex sinclair? Or a comadore pet?

I knew a guy who had one ofthose ][E 's but Mine was a 8086 I put together myself.
8086
8088
286
386 (with MATH CO PROCCESSOR GOODNESS) and an one meg video card
486 a few different ones
p200 non MMX
p3 900 retired that a few weeks ago
p4 2.8
p4 3.0 HT
p4 3.2 HT the p4's dont seem to last as long

Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 07-06-2005 12:49:46 PM
Also:

quote:
We were all impressed when Blindy. wrote:
OS-X

No. At least you didn't say OS/X, though. OS/X WARP LOL!

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-06-2005 12:58:09 PM
quote:
Jackman - Jackman = 0:
Ok I read it. Started with a trash 80 huh? Ever have a timex sinclair? Or a comadore pet?

I knew a guy who had one ofthose ][E 's but Mine was a 8086 I put together myself.
8086
8088
286
386 (with MATH CO PROCCESSOR GOODNESS) and an one meg video card
486 a few different ones
p200 non MMX
p3 900 retired that a few weeks ago
p4 2.8
p4 3.0 HT
p4 3.2 HT the p4's dont seem to last as long


No. My parents were neither rich nor into computers. I had to beg them for a few weeks to upgrade to the NEC 75 mhz pentium with 8 mb of ram that we replaced the 286 tandy with.

Jackman
Racist Hermaphroditic Midget
posted 07-06-2005 01:00:54 PM
Its amazing how comonplace and cheep computers have gotten isnt it?
Peter: I'm not afraid of anything, I laugh in the face of Death. See HAHAHAHA.
Death: Oh great! Thanks a lot. As if it wasnt already hard enough to fit in.

Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Mod
Pancake
posted 07-06-2005 03:32:00 PM
You should make that blog a huge troll. Make day 1 about your installing the windows version of office on it. Day 3 about your attempts to recreate DirectX by randomly renaming Aqua files to .dll. Day 5 about trying to dual-boot it with windows, etc.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-06-2005 03:33:45 PM
quote:
Mod needs to learn to type:
You should make that blog a huge troll. Make day 1 about your installing the windows version of office on it. Day 3 about your attempts to recreate DirectX by randomly renaming Aqua files to .dll. Day 5 about trying to dual-boot it with windows, etc.

That would be hilarious, but I don't know if you actually need a mac to do that one. Go for it MOD!

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 07-07-2005 03:52:47 AM
Does Quicksilver come with the OS? If it doesn't, go download it.
Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-08-2005 07:33:01 AM
I'm not exactly sure how to use this quicksilver thingy.
Mod
Pancake
posted 07-08-2005 11:12:17 AM
quote:
How.... Blindy..... uughhhhhh:
That would be hilarious, but I don't know if you actually need a mac to do that one. Go for it MOD!

You would to make it believable with error messages and such, also I don't know enough about macs to make it sound real.

Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 07-08-2005 01:11:59 PM
quote:
Blindy. Model 2000 was programmed to say:
I'm not exactly sure how to use this quicksilver thingy.

Hit ctrl-spacebar and type the name of the application you'd like to open, and then press enter.

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 07-09-2005 01:15:55 AM
quote:
Alidane was naked while typing this:
Hit ctrl-spacebar and type the name of the application you'd like to open, and then press enter.

Yeah, it's pretty much awesome. Use Spotlight for finding documents and such, and Quicksilver for launching applications.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 07-09-2005 at 01:16 AM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-09-2005 12:06:41 PM
A. . .glorified command prompt. . .is a huge advance in UIs?

You can't just click on a short-cut icon to open a program?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 07-09-2005 06:08:46 PM
quote:
Bloodsage obviously shouldn't have said:
A. . .glorified command prompt. . .is a huge advance in UIs?

You can't just click on a short-cut icon to open a program?


Using a mouse is far slower than a keyboard, especially if you're doing some other typing-intensive task (Coding, AIM, IRC, etc). It's not really a huge advance in UIs, its just a nice program to enhance useability and speed things up, especially if you're on something like a laptop with a trackpad.

Besides, shortcuts are unnecessary if the OS actually includes your applications in the PATH (or equivalent) variable.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-09-2005 06:36:02 PM
Using a mouse is slower than a keyboard? What color is the sky in your world? You must have a really clunky setup for your shortcuts.

There's nothing wrong with using that method; I just thought it funny that people are crowing about what amounts to a 20-year step backwards in UI functionality.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 07-09-2005 06:54:53 PM
quote:
Bloodsage wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Using a mouse is slower than a keyboard? What color is the sky in your world? You must have a really clunky setup for your shortcuts.

There's nothing wrong with using that method; I just thought it funny that people are crowing about what amounts to a 20-year step backwards in UI functionality.


It isn't about a shortcut setup, it's about not having to remove your hands from the keyboard.

It isn't a step backwards because no one's done it in a GUI as well as Apple has. (because they stole it from BSD but whatever)

Edited for grammar because I'm dumb.

Alidane fucked around with this message on 07-09-2005 at 06:57 PM.

Naimah
In a Fire
posted 07-09-2005 07:01:49 PM
Navigation using a GUI is going to be much quicker for the layman. All you have to tell someone is double click on something to make it go and they can plunk around in Windows. Granted the expert who has learned all the shortcuts will probably be able to do everything 10x faster but navigating using the GUI needs to be robust so that everyone can make full use of the OS.
Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 07-09-2005 09:00:39 PM
quote:
Naimah had this to say about dark elf butts:
Navigation using a GUI is going to be much quicker for the layman. All you have to tell someone is double click on something to make it go and they can plunk around in Windows. Granted the expert who has learned all the shortcuts will probably be able to do everything 10x faster but navigating using the GUI needs to be robust so that everyone can make full use of the OS.

Yeah, OS X is set up for that by default. It has the Dock instead of desktop shortcuts, though you can have desktop shortcuts if you want, too.

Quicksilver is a third party app, and it's nice for launching apps you don't want to keep on your desktop or, in OS X's case, the dock. For example, I don't launch Adobe ImageReady very often, but when I do, pressing ctrl+space and typing "imager" and hitting enter is much, much faster than finding the directory with Finder or, in the case of Windows, going start->programs-> adobe imageready 7

I still use the Dock to launch common programs such as my browser, IM client, mail client, and iTunes, though. Like my Windows desktop, I only keep my most often used programs on it.

quote:
This insanity brought to you by Bloodsage:
There's nothing wrong with using that method; I just thought it funny that people are crowing about what amounts to a 20-year step backwards in UI functionality.

Either you completely misunderstood how the program works, or you're being an ass. You press ctrl space and it brings up a semi-transparent window. You type the first few letters of the program you want, let's say Photoshop. You start typing "photo" and generally by the second letter it knows what you're going after. The most frequently used that matches that criteria is listed first.

Now, if it were a glorified command prompt, it would be more difficult to use than a GUI. This is, at worst, on par with it. Like I said, I mainly use it for applications that aren't in the top 5 most used to keep clutter to a minimum. I see no reason to have 15+ icons on my dock when I don't use more than 4 or 5 of them on a daily basis.

Though I guess it's your thing if you have no problem having a bajillion icons on your desktop/quicklaunch/dock/whatever applies, but I think it's an eyesore.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 07-09-2005 at 09:10 PM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-09-2005 09:54:02 PM
Ooooh: it's a souped up command prompt. That changes everything!

If I only use a program once in a blue moon, it's no hardship for me to open it from the Start Menu, personally. And I'm pretty anal about my time. But I'm not saying this thing is bad or useless; I'm just saying it's a very, very old idea with an innovation or two, rather than some sort of UI advance.

I'm all for people doing whatever they want, though. If you like it, use it. The important thing is that it works for you.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Kegwen
Sonyfag
posted 07-10-2005 03:49:56 AM
quote:
Bloodsage had this to say about Duck Tales:
Ooooh: it's a souped up command prompt. That changes everything!

If I only use a program once in a blue moon, it's no hardship for me to open it from the Start Menu, personally. And I'm pretty anal about my time. But I'm not saying this thing is bad or useless; I'm just saying it's a very, very old idea with an innovation or two, rather than some sort of UI advance.

I'm all for people doing whatever they want, though. If you like it, use it. The important thing is that it works for you.


I still don't see how you can compare it to a command prompt in any way other than the fact that it involves typing. At all.

Also: I don't find it to be some sort of superior innovation in user interface technology or anything, but I do find it to be an awesome way to launch programs, and I recommend it to any Mac user I know. They can just uninstall it if they don't like it.

Kegwen fucked around with this message on 07-10-2005 at 03:51 AM.

Derek
Pancake
posted 07-10-2005 04:06:04 AM
For Windows: AppRocket.

I can push alt-space and type "calc" before my hand would have reached the mouse.

Works for bookmarks too. Alt-space, "ever", enter and I'm here.

It may be a step back because it involves typing, but for me at least it's much faster.

Arttemis
Not Squire... but a guitar!
posted 07-10-2005 10:08:24 AM
quote:
Kegwen had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
I still don't see how you can compare it to a command prompt in any way other than the fact that it involves typing. At all.

Also: I don't find it to be some sort of superior innovation in user interface technology or anything, but I do find it to be an awesome way to launch programs, and I recommend it to any Mac user I know. They can just uninstall it if they don't like it.


...Because you type in a program name and it launches that program, just like a command prompt does?

Sean
posted 07-10-2005 10:50:41 AM
quote:
Arttemis had this to say about (_|_):
...Because you type in a program name and it launches that program, just like a command prompt does?

That is not a command prompt. It is a graphically superior command-driven program launching text recepticle.

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-10-2005 12:26:23 PM
quote:
Arttemis says ta-ma-to, I say to-ma-to:
...Because you type in a program name and it launches that program, just like a command prompt does?

well it can also do things like changing tracks inside of iTunes, telling the mail program to check for new mails, and so on. It's not just a program launcher.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 12:31:36 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
well it can also do things like changing tracks inside of iTunes, telling the mail program to check for new mails, and so on. It's not just a program launcher.

You mean just like a command prompt?

Amazing!

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-10-2005 12:45:14 PM
quote:
We all got dumber when Bloodsage said:
You mean just like a command prompt?

Amazing!


can you just type "itu" hit the right arrow, type "dcfc" and have a command prompt figure out you want to play the death cab for cutie album? No? That's too bad. Drop it.

Blindy. fucked around with this message on 07-10-2005 at 12:46 PM.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 01:23:43 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
can you just type "itu" hit the right arrow, type "dcfc" and have a command prompt figure out you want to play the death cab for cutie album? No? That's too bad. Drop it.

And that's different than a souped-up command prompt. . .how?

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-10-2005 01:30:51 PM
quote:
Check out the big brains on Bloodsage:
And that's different than a souped-up command prompt. . .how?

Ok, were do you draw the line between command prompt and program?

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 02:33:34 PM
quote:
Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Blindy. absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
Ok, were do you draw the line between command prompt and program?

Oh, so it's a program that functions as a souped-up command prompt? That's completely different!

All this thing does is emulate a command prompt with some added features. That's not a bad thing. But it's just silly to pretend it's anything other than a hyper-functional command prompt.

A command prompt is a UI where you interact with your computer via typing commands. A GUI is where you interact with your computer via manipulating icons. A voice interface is--you guessed it!--where you interact with your computer via speaking.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Pvednes
Lynched
posted 07-10-2005 02:54:50 PM
quote:
Bloodsage got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Oh, so it's a program that functions as a souped-up command prompt? That's completely different!

All this thing does is emulate a command prompt with some added features. That's not a bad thing. But it's just silly to pretend it's anything other than a hyper-functional command prompt.

A command prompt is a UI where you interact with your computer via typing commands. A GUI is where you interact with your computer via manipulating icons. A voice interface is--you guessed it!--where you interact with your computer via speaking.


What about braen-chips?

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 02:59:48 PM
quote:
Quoth Pvednes:
What about braen-chips?

I've seen the experiments they've done with monkeys. Interesting thought, but far enough away I didn't think it worth mentioning.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Alidane
Urinary Tract Infection
posted 07-10-2005 09:17:21 PM
quote:
Everyone wondered WTF when Bloodsage wrote:
Oh, so it's a program that functions as a souped-up command prompt? That's completely different!

Why do you seem so hell-bent on not liking this program, anyway?

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 09:23:12 PM
quote:
Alidane startled the peaceful upland Gorillas by blurting:
Why do you seem so hell-bent on not liking this program, anyway?

When did I say I didn't like it?

I just find it hilarious that people are touting a glorified command prompt as a huge interface advance. And then trying to deny that it's a command prompt.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 07-10-2005 09:33:31 PM
quote:
A thousand monkeys at a thousand typewriters couldn't ever match Bloodsage:
When did I say I didn't like it?

I just find it hilarious that people are touting a glorified command prompt as a huge interface advance. And then trying to deny that it's a command prompt.


You are the only person who said it was a huge interface advance.

Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 07-10-2005 10:23:59 PM
Yeah, nobody said anything about how cool it was to be able to just type something at a prompt and have it open right up.
To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Maradon!
posted 07-11-2005 02:18:19 AM
I think the point is that it's somewhat faster than fishing through your monolithic start/programs menu, in the same sense that inline auto-complete in a web browser is easier than searching for a specific site in your site history.

I wouldn't call it an advance in UI technology, but rather a best-of-both-worlds deal.

And, no you crackheads, for most purposes typing is not faster than clicking an icon.

Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 07-11-2005 02:29:13 AM
quote:
And coming in at #1 is Maradon! with "Reply." I'm Casey Casem.
And, no you crackheads, for most purposes typing is not faster than clicking an icon.

Sir, I challenge you to a duel! Mice and Keyboards at 10 paces. The first man to open the gay porn image scraper is the victor.

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