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Crowd protests deadly force lawCritics: Bill can be easily misinterpreted
May 31, 2005
Nicole Lozare@PensacolaNewsJournal.com
Throughout Pensacola, barbecue grills were heating up on Monday afternoon -- a Memorial Day tradition.
But underneath the canopy of downtown trees, and near the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. bust on the Palafox Street median, about 100 people softly sang hymns about a time when black people were oppressed.
And that, the impromptu singers believe, continues today.
Instead of slavery, the chains now come in the form of laws that are a threat to the black community, said a number of speakers at the two-hour rally Monday.
The issue: Florida Senate Bill 436, signed last month by Gov. Jeb Bush. It guarantees that people aren't prosecuted for using deadly force against intruders on their property.
The bill, filed by Sen. Durell Peaden, R-Crestview, was inspired by James Workman, a local man who killed an intruder in his southwest Escambia County home in the early hours of Nov. 3. No charges were filed against Workman.
But critics say that the bill just gives people a license to kill that can easily be abused or misinterpreted.
"What about all those people who perpetuate hate and who will use this as an act of aggression?" said the Rev. Hugh King, president of the Pensacola chapter of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the organization that conducted the event.
"We live in some scary times right now," said Susan Watson, president of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. Watson, who is white, rhetorically asked the crowd if they believe that the law would be applied equally to her and to a black man.
Many in the crowd shook their heads; others yelled out, "No!"
"It got passed because we didn't do anything about it. It's our fault," she said. "We have to do something about it."
Chicago Alderman Dorothy Tillman, formerly of Pensacola, said the law will "lead to open war on black males."
"It's almost a way to eliminate people. Black men will be under the ground more than ever."
Tillman, a former staffer for King, was not on the list of speakers but was invited to the stage. She later led the crowd in singing the hymns.
Annie Winn, 62, brought her 5- and 11-year-old great-grandchildren to listen to the speakers.
"A lot of people are going to be killed," she said. "We need to protest and try to change this law -- it's just crazy."
At the end of the rally, Charles Steele, the national leader of the SCLC, charged the crowd to protest the law. Steele then led the crowd in a march down Palafox.
"The people united will never be defeated," they chanted.
So only black males break into houses?
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A sleep deprived Mod stammered:
Discriminated-against minorities will be weary of such laws because they give people who stereotype them as criminals more legal leeway in shooting people whom they feel threatened by, racists tend to feel threatened by black people, thus black people are afraid that they might get shot due to mistakenly wandering onto someone's propertah. It's not as black and white as it seems, if I lived in a place where half my neighbors thought I was up to no good for whatever reason I wouldn't want those people to be armed and given the nod to when in doubt, shoot to kill either.
Yeah but they're saying this will, and I quote, "lead to open war on black males."
Bullshit.
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
The right to protect yourself with force up to and including lethal force is one of those universal mainstays of law.
That's pretty much an American thing. It's a sticky issue when working with multinational forces, because not all armies have ROE that permit them lethal self-defense even in combat, whereas that's very basic to US ROE.
And it seems silly to me that killing a [insert race/creed/belief du jour] burgler could be considered racist or a hate crime, whereas the [insert race/creed/belief du jour] robber isn't accused of the same. It's okay to break into the evil oppressor's house, but not for the evil oppressor to defend himself, in some minds.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
That's pretty much an American thing. It's a sticky issue when working with multinational forces, because not all armies have ROE that permit them lethal self-defense even in combat, whereas that's very basic to US ROE.
I stand corrected. And you get bonus points for a pertinent military example.
I have to say, you must have some serious restraint to get fired at and not fire back. Maybe it's how you're brought up. I can't imagine someone taking a shot at me and not firing back. The whole difference between a Pop and a Snap thing I get, but once you KNOW they're firing on you, you might not be allowed to fire back? Seems pretty nasty to me.
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How.... Sakkra.... uughhhhhh:
He need ta come down. He really need ta come down.
Oh and this made me laugh entirely too much.
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Mod was naked while typing this:
Discriminated-against minorities will be weary of such laws because they give people who stereotype them as criminals more legal leeway in shooting people whom they feel threatened by, racists tend to feel threatened by black people, thus black people are afraid that they might get shot due to mistakenly wandering onto someone's propertah. It's not as black and white as it seems, if I lived in a place where half my neighbors thought I was up to no good for whatever reason I wouldn't want those people to be armed and given the nod to when in doubt, shoot to kill either.
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JooJooFlop had this to say about dark elf butts:
So if I lived in Florida I can kill someone who comes onto my property for whatever reason and get away with it so long as it can't be proven he wasn't a threat to me?
Actually in most states you are allowed to defend your home with deadly force. The way the Florida law was written before made it so that you had to leave your home if you could instead of defending yourself or your family.
For instance, in Indiana if I am woken up in the middle of the night by a sound and find a man skulking through my home I can kill him if I feel he is a threat. And to be blunt a person in my home IS a threat.
Now before this law was written in florida I would have had to leave my home if at all possible and could not defend myself or property. If I did I could be tried and convicted of manslaughter.
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Azizza Model 2000 was programmed to say:
You are not allowed to lay a trap for criminals of any type.
Anyway, you are making the assumption that criminals go from house to house and look for things. This is almost never the case.
Well, that's the thing. How would the police know it was a trap and not just an accidental leaving-open of a window? And it probably isn't a burglar looking for his next hit that falls for the trap, rather some dumbass kid walking by and thinking "I bet I could get in there, grab that thing and get out without no one ever knowing." A short while later he's got a bullet in him and I'm telling the officer that "he just came at me. I could have sworn I saw a knife."
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Quoth JooJooFlop:
Well, that's the thing. How would the police know it was a trap and not just an accidental leaving-open of a window? And it probably isn't a burglar looking for his next hit that falls for the trap, rather some dumbass kid walking by and thinking "I bet I could get in there, grab that thing and get out without no one ever knowing." A short while later he's got a bullet in him and I'm telling the officer that "he just came at me. I could have sworn I saw a knife."
That's called natural selection, in my book. I don't pity thieves in the least. "Oh, that poor kid was just trying to steal some jewelery, and he was shot by that mean ol' property (read: slave) owner," is bullshit.
Edit: also, the definition of "trap" is something indiscriminate. Your example doesn't qualify. Bloodsage fucked around with this message on 05-31-2005 at 10:05 PM.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
It's not something people hear about.
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Bloodsage probably says this to all the girls:
...because not all armies have ROE that permit them lethal self-defense even in combat....
..WTF? What armies are those?
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Channeling the spirit of Sherlock Holmes, Peter absently fondled Watson and proclaimed:
..WTF? What armies are those?
The British, Australian, and Canadian armies for sure, and I'm pretty sure it's true for the French, Germans, and the rest of western Europe.
US troops always have the right of self-defense. I'd have to ask a JAG whether it's even allowed to take it away. That's not always true of other countries.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Peter had this to say about Punky Brewster:
..WTF? What armies are those?
The Swiss Army. I mean, they have wine openers on their knives for God's sake. 
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Mr. Crabs had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
The Swiss Army. I mean, they have wine openers on their knives for God's sake.
Wait, you mean those corkscrews on the knives arn't for pulling out the eyeballs of their enemies?
Man, the Swiss Army just lost a lot of appeal in my mind. 
Way to reverse six decades of civil rights, MORONS
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Mr. Crabs had this to say about Pirotess:
The Swiss Army. I mean, they have wine openers on their knives for God's sake.
I dunno, the Swiss Guard are pretty badass.
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Verily, the chocolate bunny rabits doth run and play while Snoota gently hums:
I dunno, the Swiss Guard are pretty badass.
Sure, if you hang around long enough for them to get into pike range. 
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage probably says this to all the girls:
Sure, if you hang around long enough for them to get into pike range.
Surely the military man of the bunch isn't going to be fooled by appearances.
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
"I'm not feeling anything."
"Me either."
"Sober as a judge."
turns to the little green fairy he sees floating over his shoulder
"What about you?"
"I'm not feeling a God damn thing. This Absinthe is bullshit."
"Are you headed to Berlin?"
/German
"I'm not going anywhere near Berlin! They have a warrant for my arrest in Berlin. I raped a horse last time I was in Berlin."
/German
"I think he's going to Berlin, let's go!"
--Satan, quoted by John Milton
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Bloodsage's account was hax0red to write:
Aside from the bondage house in Amsterdam, my favorite scene is when they flag down the truck driver to hitch a ride to Berlin."Are you headed to Berlin?"
/German
"I'm not going anywhere near Berlin! They have a warrant for my arrest in Berlin. I raped a horse last time I was in Berlin."
/German
"I think he's going to Berlin, let's go!"
Shit that scene is like 10 times funny when you translate it.
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Maradon! had this to say about Tron:
Ironically, in arguing that such a law falls disproportionately on blacks, they STEREOTYPE THEMSELVES!Way to reverse six decades of civil rights, MORONS
I thought the same thing, Maradon.
They basically just said that all domestic intruders are blacks themselves. 
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x--SkawO-('-'Q) :
I thought the same thing, Maradon.They basically just said that all domestic intruders are blacks themselves.
I guess I should have known better, though - you can only be racist if you're white!
I once heard about a burglar who was breaking into a woman's house when her roof collapsed underneath him. He sued the homeowners and won. That's the sort of thing that needs to never happen.
Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
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Jackman had this to say about Pirotess:
So, whats a good home defense weapon anyway?
Any weapon will do.
Some people are like Slinkys... Not really good for anything, But they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.
quote:Get an uzi.
Jackman needs to hitch a ride with a Vogon constructor fleet.
I was hopeing for an suggestion.
