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Topic: Yet another WoW question thread.
Kael
Whistlepig
posted 04-10-2005 12:33:51 AM
I'm thinking about picking up WoW later this spring or early summer. I don't know what server I'm going to play on at this time, or what class, but I'm leaning towards Paladin/Rogue for Alliance or Warrior/Shaman for Horde.

Can any of you folks give me some basic pointers in general?

Gadani
U
posted 04-10-2005 12:34:28 AM
As long as you don't pick Warrior, you can't lose!
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 12:38:23 AM
Good PvP Classes: Rogues, Mages, Priests, Warlocks(?), Hunters, Shamans

Good PvE Classes: Warriors, Mages, Priests, Druids (kind of), Shamans

Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 04-10-2005 12:41:15 AM
quote:
Kael had this to say about Duck Tales:
I'm thinking about picking up WoW later this spring or early summer. I don't know what server I'm going to play on at this time, or what class, but I'm leaning towards Paladin/Rogue for Alliance or Warrior/Shaman for Horde.

Can any of you folks give me some basic pointers in general?


I like humans for their easy relations with other races if you were ever to go Alliance, and for Horde I like Trolls because...well, they're accent, and um...well, I think the females are kind of cute. Oh yeah, and the faster health regeneration thing. As for classes, I had a lot of fun with my mage, but now my main is a rogue, and I "can't put her down" (for lack of a better expression). I think it depends on the person, though. Just play each class for a few levels and see who you have the most fun with.

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Addy
posted 04-10-2005 01:02:39 AM
Don't go rogue.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:03:19 AM
quote:
Addy had this to say about John Romero:
Don't go rogue.

WHY SIR

Ruvyen
Cartoon Broccoli Boy
posted 04-10-2005 01:03:43 AM
quote:
Addy's fortune cookie read:
Don't go rogue.

Why not?

Thief: "I have come to a realisation. Dragons are not real in a general sense, but they may exist in certain specific cases."
Fighter: "Like how quantum mechanics describes how subatomic particles can spontaneously pop into existence at random!"
Thief: "No, that's stupid and stop making up words."
--8-Bit Theater
Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 04-10-2005 01:06:26 AM
quote:
Ruvyen had this to say about John Romero:
Why not?

I concur, why not?!

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Flea
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 01:09:44 AM
probably because everyone and their momma is a rogue
Addy
posted 04-10-2005 01:09:49 AM
Too many freaking rogues!
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:10:31 AM
quote:
Addy had this to say about the Spice Girls:
Too many freaking rogues!

Go Warrior

Damnati
Filthy
posted 04-10-2005 01:12:41 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Tron:
Go Warrior

For once I agree with Parcelan...scary.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:13:25 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Kuroi Madoushi said:
For once I agree with Parcelan...scary.

I have a serious problem. My two mains are Warriors. My two alts are going to be Warriors.

Addy
posted 04-10-2005 01:14:13 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan impressed everyone with:
Go Warrior

Actually I do agree with this as well.

Go warrior.

Kael
Whistlepig
posted 04-10-2005 01:15:23 AM
quote:
Addy wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Too many freaking rogues!

What class seems to be in demand then? I'm betting healers/casters. And I hate being a healer. Healers rarely get the respect they deserve, or they're treated like egotistical prima donnas that don't know how to do their job.

Warrior it is! Are there any huge 2 handed hammers? So I can go around telling people how I want to be their sledgehammer?

Kael fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 01:18 AM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:16:33 AM
quote:
Kael had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
What class seems to be in demand then? I'm betting healers/casters. And I hate being a healer. Healers rarely get the respect they deserve, or they're treated like egotistical prima donnas that don't know how to do their job.

Healers and Warriors are always in high demand.

Warriors, maybe even moreso, since nobody can truly do what a Warrior does.

Damnati
Filthy
posted 04-10-2005 01:17:29 AM
quote:
Nobody really understood why Kael wrote:
What class seems to be in demand then? I'm betting healers/casters. And I hate being a healer. Healers rarely get the respect they deserve, or they're treated like egotistical prima donnas that don't know how to do their job.

-Everybody- loves priests and shadow priests are the omgwtfbadasses of WoW; so I've heard anyways.

Love is hard, harder than steel and thrice as cruel. It is as inexorable as the tides and life and death alike follow in its wake. -Phèdre nó Delaunay, Kushiel's Chosen

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

Addy
posted 04-10-2005 01:17:42 AM
quote:
Kael had this to say about dark elf butts:
What class seems to be in demand then? I'm betting healers/casters. And I hate being a healer. Healers rarely get the respect they deserve, or they're treated like egotistical prima donnas that don't know how to do their job.

Depends on servers.

Warriors/hunters I guess, that fits your wants. Oh, mages and warlocks too. Mostly mages.

**edit: GOOD warriors and hunters.

Addy fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 01:18 AM.

Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:20:54 AM
Yeah, actually, a Priest with the Shadow talent build is the best of both worlds: wanted in groups and very tough in PvP.
Aaron (the good one)
posted 04-10-2005 01:21:30 AM
Priests are the Kings of PvP
Rogues are second.
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Kael
Whistlepig
posted 04-10-2005 01:22:15 AM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Addy said:
Depends on servers.

Warriors/hunters I guess, that fits your wants. Oh, mages and warlocks too. Mostly mages.

**edit: GOOD warriors and hunters.


Are you saying that an excellent former Samurai and one of the best Rangers on Fennin Ro cpuld not excel as a Warrior/Hunter?

Speaking of Hunters, to me, they sound like a cross between an EQ Ranger and an EQ Beastlord. Is my guess correct? Or are they more like FFXI Beastmasters?

Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:29:11 AM
Hunters are strong in PvE and very good in solo, but not all that wanted in groups. They are excelled in DPS (their field) by Rogues and twice over by Mages (the kings of DPS and crowd control). I can't speak with too much authority on PvP, but Warriors tend to decimate them and Casters tend to be weak to them.

Warriors aren't the best solo class. You can take a bunch of small guys with ease or even one or two even-leveled guys, but you'll pale in comparison to other classes that can solo higher-level mobs or even-level multiple mobs.

Where Warriors really shine is in groups. There are three tank classes: Warriors, Paladins and Druids. Druids and Paladins both have more AC and more HP than a Warrior, in addition to spells and healing, but neither of them makes a very good tank.

The Warrior is the undisputed king of aggro-holding.

Addy
posted 04-10-2005 01:33:42 AM
Hunters are wanted for raids, (MC/Onyxia) but definitely go for warrior instead.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:37:31 AM
quote:
Addy got all f'ed up on Angel Dust and wrote:
Hunters are wanted for raids, (MC/Onyxia) but definitely go for warrior instead.

49% of NEs are Rogues, another 49% are Hunters, the remainder is the rest.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 04-10-2005 01:38:52 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan stopped masturbating to porn to say;
49% of NEs are Rogues, another 49% are Hunters, the remainder is the rest.

less than 2% of NEs are druids?

Oh I went there

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I am Canadian and I hate The Tragically Hip
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 01:41:03 AM
quote:
Delidgamond had this to say about pies:
less than 2% of NEs are druids?

Oh I went there


It's called HYPERBOLE.

Aaron (the good one)
posted 04-10-2005 02:02:11 AM
Galbadia Hotel - Video Game Music
I am Canadian and I hate The Tragically Hip
Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 04-10-2005 02:33:16 AM
quote:
Verily, Kuroi Madoushi doth proclaim:
-Everybody- loves priests and shadow priests are the omgwtfbadasses of WoW; so I've heard anyways.

I don't

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 04-10-2005 02:39:55 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan probably says this to all the girls:
Warriors aren't the best solo class. You can take a bunch of small guys with ease or even one or two even-leveled guys, but you'll pale in comparison to other classes that can solo higher-level mobs or even-level multiple mobs.

Where Warriors really shine is in groups. There are three tank classes: Warriors, Paladins and Druids. Druids and Paladins both have more AC and more HP than a Warrior, in addition to spells and healing, but neither of them makes a very good tank.

The Warrior is the undisputed king of aggro-holding.


The one problem is the way you have to specialize the warrior. If you want to be an effective soloer you would use the arms tree, and try to max out strength and agility. If you want to be a good group warrior, a tank, you would need a fair ammount of stamina, strength, and spirit. And you would need to go mainly along the protection tree. This does not make for a good soloer. Thus the conundrum. I have honestly never understood how to use most of the furry tree so I stay away from it.

I personally went arms specialization with a little furry and a little more protection, 31/5/15. I can't Say I'm the best tank, but I do well for myself, soloing or leading a raid.

DrPaintThinner fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 02:41 AM.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 04-10-2005 02:49:53 AM
...spirit? Unless you're a fury Warrior who makes use of the in combat regen ability, I can't think of a reason to have it. If after a battle your healer is tied up, it's pretty easy to just use a bandage. A bit of runecloth here or there is preferable to sacrificing other stats in the name of spirit.

Additionally, being prot specced doesn't make you an uber awesome tank. For the most part an arms spec warrior can tank almost as well as a prot specced one. What do you get on the high end of the prot tree that is beneficial to tanking? Concussion blow, improved taunt, imp shield wall, and shield disc. Most of the good tanking stuff is on the low end of the prot tree in any case. I'm 31/5/15, and I've got toughness, imp shield block, a point into imp revenge, and last stand. Though I prefer to offtank, I can still piss stuff off just fine.

Basically, what it comes down to is this: go arms/fury and get a host of nice damage dealing abilities and still tank well or go protection and lose a lot of damage output while gaining a small improvement to tanking.

Tegadil fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 02:51 AM.

DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 04-10-2005 03:01:46 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
There are three tank classes: Warriors, Paladins and Druids. Druids and Paladins both have more AC and more HP than a Warrior, in addition to spells and healing

Im going to disagree with this one. Warriors will almost always have more AC (when using a sheild, the way a tank should). Given a person is wearing the right equipment they will have more Hp too. But what the warrior lacks is what the other two classes can excel in. Healing.

Druids make excelent healers, despite their lack of resurrection spells. Their tank form is really a fall back move. And ferral specialization (from what I have seen) is close to useless. Restoration is the way to go.

Palidins who try to be tanks are also not as effective, because once all that aggro on them they wont be able to get it off easily. Healing can be pretty tough at that point. A healing spec paladin should stay back and heal. A damage palidin will be more in the front lines, but not as a tank. This applies to shamans. While both styles of fighting are affective neither are excellent tanks.

I agree with the last part of this statement though. Neither class is a true tank. The warrior is the aggro control king.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
DrPaintThinner
Anti-Semite
posted 04-10-2005 03:04:52 AM
quote:
Tegadil had this to say about Punky Brewster:
...spirit? Unless you're a fury Warrior who makes use of the in combat regen ability, I can't think of a reason to have it. If after a battle your healer is tied up, it's pretty easy to just use a bandage. A bit of runecloth here or there is preferable to sacrificing other stats in the name of spirit.

Yah, I didn't go big into the furry tree. But my health regen is based on food, equipment, and my spirit. I also didn't know that first aid would have been so crucial. But thats my fault for overlooking it.

DrPaintThinner fucked around with this message on 04-10-2005 at 03:09 AM.

roit, less bash 'is noggin
Rodent King
Stabbed in the Eye
posted 04-10-2005 03:07:29 AM
You could try being a holy priest pre-60. You'd be the second one after me.
My inner child is bigger than my outer adult.
Flea
Pancake
posted 04-10-2005 03:08:22 AM
Survival Tree Hunter For The Win!
Kael
Whistlepig
posted 04-10-2005 03:15:02 AM
No one has any opinions(positive at least) on Paladins? Do they solo better then Warriors? I rather not have to sit around waiting for a group when I have the option of soloing while waiting for one.
Tegadil
Queen of the Smoofs
posted 04-10-2005 03:16:44 AM
The only thing I know about Paladins is that I hate em because they break up horde dance parties at IF.
Faelynn LeAndris
Lusty busty redheaded wood elf with sharp claws
posted 04-10-2005 03:35:01 AM
quote:
Kael thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
No one has any opinions(positive at least) on Paladins? Do they solo better then Warriors? .

No. Ot at least it depends on what you mean by soloing. Effectively gaining experience while fighting solo? Or just lasting forever solo without having to worry about dying?

Best and funniest comment I ever heard to describe soloing as a Paladin was from a Warrior.

"Anytime I pass a Paladin fighting something, I just go up and kill it for them... Cause If I dont Ill walk away knowing they'll still be fighting 5 minutes from now against the same thing, and Ill feel bad."


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Kait
has made another completely pointless and off-topic post that nobody cares about
posted 04-10-2005 03:38:22 AM
quote:
Kael obviously shouldn't have said:
No one has any opinions(positive at least) on Paladins? Do they solo better then Warriors? I rather not have to sit around waiting for a group when I have the option of soloing while waiting for one.

The people I know who have Paladins seem to like them well enough. I just can't stand their lack of ranged attacks.

No, I really like rogues...they don't have that pesky mana thing to worry about, and they're nice for dealing damage, while avoiding many blows, and soaking what they can't avoid. But don't listen to me....I'm just an unabashed rogue lover.

"A black cat dropped soundlessly from a high wall, like a spoonful of dark treacle and melted under the gate."
-Elizabeth Lemarchand
Blackened
posted 04-10-2005 03:56:10 AM
Don't play a Paladin or Warlock. Rogues are fun to level, but there's too many of them. Shaman are great because they're fun to play and powerful. Don't play Hunters, they're kind of flakey right now. Warriors are solid atm, as are Mages. Playing a Priest means you'll need to be okay watching health bars if you ever group/raid. They're pretty good soloers as long as you devote yourself the the Shadow tree.

Although my distaste for you as a human being is brobdingnagian,
what I'm about to do isn't personal.
Mr. Parcelan
posted 04-10-2005 03:58:55 AM
Warriors are solid, plus it's unlikely they have anywhere to go but up.
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