I really don't even see why congress has the right to do this. It was a waste of time. At least Palmero lashed out...
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
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Karnaj had this to say about Captain Planet:
Of course they have more important things to worry about, like the Terri Schiavo case.
A born again christian lawyer has subpoenaed her to testify before congress, meaning her life is now federally protected.
To quote her hubby, "Ain't that bitch dead yet?"
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And I was all like 'Oh yeah?' and Karnaj was all like:
Of course they have more important things to worry about, like the Terri Schiavo case.
Who?
Anyway, I think the Committee is really just trying to find out how safe it is to shoot up with steroids and if it will get them hot chicks.
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Palador ChibiDragon's fortune cookie read:
Who?
Woman in a coma on life support whose husband wants to discontinue the life support.
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Maradon! had this to say about Captain Planet:
Woman in a coma on life support whose husband wants to discontinue the life support.
Terrible fucking case, the poor woman is dead, her body's just a zombie on life support. 
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Maradon! said:
Woman in a coma on life support whose husband wants to discontinue the life support.
I thought a read a post on Fark the other day that said she had her feeding tube pulled? Hmm... Kegwen fucked around with this message on 03-19-2005 at 10:17 PM.
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Kegwen probably says this to all the girls:
I thought a read a post on Fark the other day that said she had her feeding tube pulled? Hmm...
She was supposed to have had it pulled the 17th AFAIK. I'm not sure if they went through with it.
That's all that's been on the news around here for the last week. So glad I don't need to go into Clearwater on any regular basis.
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The propaganda machine of Maradon!'s junta released this statement:
Woman in a coma on life support whose husband wants to discontinue the life support.
IIRC, head X-rays have shown that her brain is a puddle of liquid in the back of her skull. Everything that she was is long gone; her parents and husband are fighting over the vessel. What makes it more appalling are the religious implications; as the parents most definitely believe in the notion of a soul, they are in fact imprisoning it in a body no longer capable of thought. That, folks, is the very definition of disturbing if I've ever heard it. Karnaj fucked around with this message on 03-20-2005 at 12:58 AM.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Now since she is not on "life support" the laws and socially acceptable actions are different. now to complicate things she is in this condition because doctors screwed up and there was a lawsuit. The parents claim that the husband just wants the money and should divorce her. This means he would not be able to get the money and would have no control over her "life" Personally I dont' get this feeling about him. People are really riding him hard for having a girlfriend, but come on. Give the guy a break. His wife is a vegetable. He has moved on with his life. I can't blame him for that.
Now I think she needs to be allowed to die. But what they have done to her so far has been torture. Her parents have continued to fight and the tube has been removed and replaced 2 or 3 times now. And the process is not pleasant. You starve to death over the course of a week or so. Last time they pulled the tube it was out for 6 days. She was almost dead when they started feeding her again. If she has any ability to feel then I dread to think what she is going though.
If the parents want to continue sustaining what is essentially her corpse, why even bother fighting them?
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
The thing I'm having trouble seeing is, so long as her medical bills are paid for, why insist on letting her die at all?If the parents want to continue sustaining what is essentially her corpse, why even bother fighting them?
Because she's taking up room in the hospital for one, and two there are probably lots of humane rights people all over the place preaching both sides or whatnot.
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Fizodeth had this to say about (_|_):
Because she's taking up room in the hospital for one, and two there are probably lots of humane rights people all over the place preaching both sides or whatnot.
First off, it doesn't matter if she's taking up room at the hospital so long as the room is paid for. Hospitals have no critical shortage of room.
Second, what does any human rights group have to do with the situation? The woman is, for all intents and purposes, dead. If sustaining her lifeless husk comforts her family, why stop them?
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So quoth Maradon!:
First off, it doesn't matter if she's taking up room at the hospital so long as the room is paid for. Hospitals have no critical shortage of room.Second, what does any human rights group have to do with the situation? The woman is, for all intents and purposes, dead. If sustaining her lifeless husk comforts her family, why stop them?
Because her husband is her legal next of kin, not her parents. This is nothing more than a power-over-Terri's-body fight between the two.
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Azizza had this to say about Jimmy Carter:
Frankly this is a place where I strongly disagree with the Party line.
I quite agree. What I find to be even more ironic is that a lot of the same people in Congress who are fighting so hard to keep her alive are the same people who, every other day of the year, are carrying on loudly and longly about how the government should get off the backs of the people and stay out of their business.
Unless it serves to advance your moral/political agenda, I guess. Funny how that works out. Callalron fucked around with this message on 03-20-2005 at 04:29 AM.
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Everyone wondered WTF when Maradon! wrote:
The thing I'm having trouble seeing is, so long as her medical bills are paid for, why insist on letting her die at all?If the parents want to continue sustaining what is essentially her corpse, why even bother fighting them?
Perhaps the guy doesn't want the body of his wife treated in a manner she wouldn't have approved of?
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maradon! said:
First off, it doesn't matter if she's taking up room at the hospital so long as the room is paid for. Hospitals have no critical shortage of room.Second, what does any human rights group have to do with the situation? The woman is, for all intents and purposes, dead. If sustaining her lifeless husk comforts her family, why stop them?
In a word, closure.
"On a winter morning in 1990 -- six years after her wedding -- she collapsed when a chemical imbalance possibly brought on by an eating disorder caused her heart to stop beating. She was 26.
She suffered severe brain damage and has relied on a feeding and hydration tube to keep her alive for the past 15 years."
KaLourin fucked around with this message on 03-20-2005 at 06:29 AM.
edit: google search brought the article up fine.. linking brought up the Heralds registration page *boggle*
i say learn to let go!
Unfortunately, her parents are suing that he keeps her alive and on the feeding tube. They're not offering to take over care of her, as I recall, nor have they supplied anything even remotely resembling proof that she's still in there (when this first came to media attention, they claimed that she would blink in response to their presence; my question is if she blinks otherwise. I gather she does. She has all sorts of autonomic responses, but no higher brain functions). So essentially, they want their son-in-law to pay to keep Terri's husk alive because they're unable to deal with the fact she's gone and probably has been gone for a very long time now.
And despite the load of proof that she won't get better, Congress got involved and some of those assholes tried to force the husband to keep her on life support.
sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me
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Maradon! had this to say about Tron:
The thing I'm having trouble seeing is, so long as her medical bills are paid for, why insist on letting her die at all?If the parents want to continue sustaining what is essentially her corpse, why even bother fighting them?
Her husband and several other witnesses have testified that it was her wish to have the plug pulled if she were ever to be incapacitated in a situation like this. He still cares about her too. Despite the fact that the malpractice judgement money is drying up, just last week he turned down a million dollar pay off to divorce her and let the care be turned over to the parents. He still wants to stand by his wife's wishes.
The parents are the ones fighting her wishes. Everyone else in her life has moved on other than her parents. Actually, IIRC the parents have made several false abuse claims against the nursing facility that takes care of her. This was most likely done in order to claim that the husband was taking improper care of her care should be switched over to the parents. They've been the sneaky, underhanded ones in this case.
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The propaganda machine of Callalron's junta released this statement:
Unless it serves to advance your moral/political agenda, I guess. Funny how that works out.
Yeah, the more I've thought about it, the more I think this is pure political quid pro quo between the GOP and their fundamentalist Christian support base. They've failed to deliver on abortion, prayer in schools, and putting them faggots in their place, so fighting ardently for this situation is the GOP's way of saying "See, we're fighting for your values! Just wanted to remind you before the 2006 elections!" Simply put, the Republican party owes them.
Just makes the situation all the more unfortunate.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
I think Lewis Black put it best when he said, "There's no bad idea a Republican has that a Democrat can't make worse." Callalron fucked around with this message on 03-20-2005 at 12:39 PM.
The Supreme Court of Florida has decided that the plug needs to be pulled, so the Federal Government is stepping in to pass a law to affect only this one person, making it possible for her parents to file this case in federal courts, tying this thing up for another 15 years, and forcing her husband to pay for her care. If Congress wants to keep her going, pass a spending bill to continue her care indefinitely. But look at this from Congress's point of view: if a Congressman votes against this, they'll be labelled as a cold-hearted murderer who voted against letting Terri live, just like with Florida's "Terri's Law."
I have a sinking feeling this is gonna pass, President Bush has said he's standing by with his signing-pen. The only thing I can think of that is going to redeem our federal government is when this reaches the Supreme Court, Congress deserves a decision that will knock it back on its collective heels.
This needs to stop, as it is an abomination before our division of powers and our Constitutional system. It appalls me that Congress, the body that passes laws, has so little respect for the law of the land. Big Easy fucked around with this message on 03-20-2005 at 10:49 PM.
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Snoota was naked while typing this:
What have you people done to my thread.
We had more important things to talk about. 
It is held in thought
only by the understanding
of the Wind.
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Snoota obviously shouldn't have said:
What have you people done to my thread.
You DID ask if there were more important things going on for Congress to worry about. 
The woman... she just needs to die.
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Zaile Ghostmaker Model 2000 was programmed to say:
We had more important things to talk about.
Not really.
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Snoota was listening to Cher while typing:
Not really.
Welcome to Evercrest.
It's not something people hear about.
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Karnaj stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Yeah, the more I've thought about it, the more I think this is pure political quid pro quo between the GOP and their fundamentalist Christian support base. They've failed to deliver on abortion, prayer in schools, and putting them faggots in their place, so fighting ardently for this situation is the GOP's way of saying "See, we're fighting for your values! Just wanted to remind you before the 2006 elections!"
Hrmm... Not all of us fundamentalists agree with that line of thinking. She's dead. Her body just isn't being allowed to follow her. I do not agree with the GOP's position on this at all. My mom and my wife both know that should I become incapacitated and there is no hope at all of recovering then pull the damned plug. My wife says the same thing, though I think her mother would fight me on it so we may have to get some legal documents made up. My mom has a living will that states she's to be unhooked after a certain period of time if there's no hope of recovery.
My dad says, "I'm taking it all with me when I go! Don't unplug me!!"
I'm sure you'll find that a good number of us "fundamentalists" as you're so fond of saying, will agree that her body is just a husk. She died 15 years ago and her soul has been gone since that time. God have mercy on her soul...
I don't know where her soul is, but if it is still lingering around her body, her parents are being irresponsible by not allowing her to go. You would think that they would embrace the idea of her going to be with her God.
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Kaglaaz How'ler had this to say about Tron:
My dad says, "I'm taking it all with me when I go! Don't unplug me!!"
George Carlin said "Fuck you, leave my plug alone!"
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Kermitov had this to say about John Romero:
George Carlin said "Fuck you, leave my plug alone!"
Hehehe. Same generation of people. I'm not surprised. But I get the feeling dad will just die suddenly from heart issues.
My mom has been in Geriatric Nursing for about 35 years. She likes her job but I've been warned that she'll haunt us (my brother, sister and I) the rest of our lives if we put her in a nursing home. And she grins at us all and says, "Whoever I'm the most pissed off at is who I come to live with when I'm old."
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Kaglaaz How'ler put down Tada! magazine long enough to type:
Hrmm... Not all of us fundamentalists agree with that line of thinking. She's dead. Her body just isn't being allowed to follow her. I do not agree with the GOP's position on this at all. My mom and my wife both know that should I become incapacitated and there is no hope at all of recovering then pull the damned plug. My wife says the same thing, though I think her mother would fight me on it so we may have to get some legal documents made up. My mom has a living will that states she's to be unhooked after a certain period of time if there's no hope of recovery.My dad says, "I'm taking it all with me when I go! Don't unplug me!!"
I'm sure you'll find that a good number of us "fundamentalists" as you're so fond of saying, will agree that her body is just a husk. She died 15 years ago and her soul has been gone since that time. God have mercy on her soul...
When I say fundamentalist Christian support base, I mean just that. It does not include moderate or liberal Christians who count themselves as supporters of the GOP. Fundamentalist Christians are the people whom the GOP owes big time, and they want to make sure they retain their support base going in to 2006 and 2008. Just watch some fundamentalist TV or go to fundamentalist websites; this Terri Schiavo situation is obviously a very important issue among them.
That the Democrats are crossing the isle is further evidence that this is a political power play. The Democrats want to show the fundamentalists that they are a viable alternative to the Republicans by demonstrating that they share their values, too. Just makes the whole situation all the more deplorable.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
