I must've missed the memo. What is this? Where does it fit in with Vampire: The Masquerade? It looks like it's... a parallel universe or something, one of those "It's just like our world, but NOT!" things they do in comic books.
I only read parts of the PHB, but I was completely lost. I read all of the foreward and introduction, hoping to clear things up.
There's five clans. History seems completely different, because vampires haven't shown up until like, the rise of Rome? It appears there was a Camarilla for a time, but now it's like, Invictus, or something? Supposedly there is a fellow claiming to be Longinus (the Roman centurion who stuck Jesus like a pig), who is a vampire, and says the Blood of Christ made him a vampire. He has a whole cult and things... Dracula also is real, supposedly. And still alive. He has a cult too (everybody seems to have a cult, in fact). Apparently, neither Longinus or Vlad has a clan, which makes them two unique vampires (Well it would, except there are two of them). There's another cult that worships some sort of mysterious mother vampire myth. Like Lilith, but not actually Lilith. The whole Caine thing doesn't seem present at all.
As I said, there are five clans.
Daeva, which are impulsive hedonist types. Toreador apparently are a bloodline of Daeva clan, originating with a bullfighter in Spain. But Toreador are not a clan themselves, nor does it seem to be that Toreador ever were a clan.
Gangrel is still a clan, but "Bruja" are now a bloodline of them, originating with a biker gang in the Southwest US. I think Ravnos are a bloodline of Gangrel as well.
Nosferatu are still there, and they have some bloodline in Japan that practices a weird sort of necromancy, and is tied into the Untouchables of Buddhism and Shintoism.
Ventrue are there, and are largely the same, leader types. However, their bloodline's flaw is that with time, they develop paranoia and insecurities that leader-types seem to get. They obsess over tiny bits of power and things like that. "Malkovians" are a bloodline that started with a mental patient named Andre Malkov and his doctor and the rest of the Insane Asylum.
Mekhet are like... Assamites, and Setites, and Lasombra put together. They love shadows, can be sort of culty, and work as mercenaries. There's supposedly and entire army of Mekhet mercenaries that work for the highest bidder. They have a bloodline that has a discipline that specialies in distributing out Disease, and who can only fead off the diseased. Sangiovanni is the Giovanni clan, except they're now a bloodline of the Mekhet. Mekhet also have a huge database of Vampire history or something.
But yeah, all Vampires lose their memories after time apparently, and no one can seem to remember anything before the Roman empire. Whether there actually were vampires still, and they just didn't come into contact with eachother on any large scale, is unclear.
There's some cool new systems, like Vices and Virtues. Your character has a Vice and a Virtue (maybe more than one?), the seven deadly sins, and seven... I forgot the word, virtues. And everytime you indulge your Vice, you get some Willpower back (I guess indulging it sometimes allows you to control yourself at other times). Virtues are like, if you have an opportunity to demonstrate your virtue, your character needs to take it, or else s/he loses something (humanity I think?), and obviously, stuff like safety and logic is taken into account.
All in all, I have to say wtf though. I feel like I missed a big memo. Admittedly, I haven't been keeping track. Did Gehenna like happen and the Ravnos Antediluvian used his level 10 Power ... rewrite reality or something?
It seems like it's a second attempt to make World of Darkness, with a bit more 'realism', because the old WoD did have some funny, but negligible errors (why would a 4000+ year old vampire clan be named Toreador when the word has obvious other roots. Same with almost all the other clan names.) However, they left in Nosferatu.
Apparently, I wasn't on the Vampire train when it left Masquerade station. Lashanna fucked around with this message on 11-30-2004 at 10:18 PM.
I feel like they gutted the Vampire I was so fond of, and so far, I'm not liking this new world at all.
Perhaps if you read the WoD book (which is requisite to any VtR game now) it might have some info on what happened. I don't think anything actually did, though.
Vorbis fucked around with this message on 11-30-2004 at 10:30 PM.
Also, I felt the same way when I first started playing VtR. It's grown on me, though. It's a lot more... well... there than VtM was.
I was really disappointed, though. I was expecting something that was sorta... well... continuous with VtM. Not the parallel, revamped dimension that it is. It gets a lot better once you get in the groove of it, though. At least, it did for me.
So...what's the verdict?
But over Thanksgiving Break, my campus went PortNazi on our network. I can't connect to most Counterstrike servers, I can't host WC3 games, I can't DCC in IRC, I can't use any filesharing programs, I don't think I can Bit Torrent. I'm not sure if my MMORPGs work...
It's very frustrating. I meant to go talk to the System Administrator guy today, but was too busy...
As for Requiem, I know someone at Winter's Roar who's very familiar with it, was gonna talk to them.
Lashanna fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 12:05 AM.
As a side note. Did anyone else ever see that terrible TV Show called Kindred: The Embraced? It was... not very good, only lasted one season, because the lead role guy bit the dust in a car accident in the UK (Damn left-side driving!). All it's cast members dispersed into Baywatch and Melrose Place, apparently. Except like, three of them who went on to have roles in Hidalgo and Memento.
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Dr. Gee had this to say about Captain Planet:
Just reading through the book on it made the world seem rich and full and made me want to see more of it. I just don't get that reaction reading through VtR. It seems very dry and barebones in comparison.
That's exactly what I felt. It was an interesting world. The new stuff just doesn't feel it.
I was waiting for the return of Caine, since.. y'know.. he can't die or be killed and all.
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Vorbis attempted to be funny by writing:
VtR allows for a lot more DM oversight and player influence on the world.
How so?
I'm not arguing with you, I just don't know anything about it.
Or something.
I know the Antediluvians came and killed like everyone. (Though there is some question about it... certain Antediluvians seemed to kill selectively and protect 'worthy' ones? Haqim/Assamite I thought did.)
Lashanna fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 01:19 AM.
Didn't the Lasombra kill their Antediluvian? I can't remember exactly. And then you have the Giovanni and the Tremere, who still have semi-active 'antediluvians'.
Although Bloodline's rendition of Caine as a cab driver was pretty fucking badass right there.
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There was much rejoicing when Dr. Gee said this:
Although Bloodline's rendition of Caine as a cab driver was pretty fucking badass right there.
How are you so sure that was Caine? 
He was a pale, darkhaired vampire who wore black. Not exactly an exclusive club. I'd like to think Troika wouldn't touch on anything like Caine (I really hate it whenever I hear that someone used Caine in a story or something, it seems cheesy.)
By the way. wtf was up with Grout's mansion? I mean, there were lots of crazy people there. But why were they all crazy. Why were they there? Were they test subjects or something? 
As for the Caine thing....play through the cab scene as a Malkavian. There are a lot of references to The Dark Father being made and i seem to recall the driver saying something about how his children are always warring. There's also a lot of foreshadow made throughout the game made about Caine walking the world and some of it shades it in as him possibly being close by. Also, after beating the game as an anarch you see a figure who is fucking radiating black energy partially walk into the screen and there's a voice over of a line the cab driver says. It may just be an Antidiluvian or some other massively powerful vampire in that scene or as the cab driver, but i'll be damned if there's not some serious hints being thrown around about it being Caine himself. Also, while i do agree with you overall about how having Caine show up in a story is useually lame, if the cabbie IS Caine then i think Troika did an awsome and subtle job of putting him in the game.
Oh, and there are also some references made to you being a vampire of "especially potent blood." I'm not gonna speculate on this since there's no concording evidence being thrown around about it, but i think it's possible that somehow your sire isn't who you gets executed at the beginning of the game. Plus, i think it would be pretty lame to have you be a 6th or higher generation vampire. You do have 14 bloodpoints though. I might be a bit off on that, but from what i remeber you still start with a shiton more blood capacity than your average vampire. Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 01:35 AM.
I failed my UBB check Lashanna fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 01:38 AM.
Getting the game for christmas!
Must not read!
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Lashanna had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
How so?
I'm not arguing with you, I just don't know anything about it.
Bloodlines, mostly. Get up to blood potency five (or is it six?) and you have the power to form your own bloodline. Want to have a certain clan that doesn't exist? Give some good reasons to your DM before the campaign and it's there.
It also has a lot more architecture for setting up your own systems, and mixing in different games (werewolf, mage, and all of the WoD games will use the same system as vampire) allowing for more versatility. The metaplot feels a lot more permissive than other WW games.
There're some other things that I'm vaguely aware of, but can't recall off the top of my head. Like I said, I'm not too framiliar with it; I've only been playing since a few weeks after its release. I still occasionally do my rolls the old way.
It's also worth noting that the directory the cab driver's lines are contained in is "/caine/".
Also, the whole Gehenna thing confused me somewhat. I've only been abel to find slight bits of information on it, but near as I can tell, why wasn't there a bigger resistance? The Technocracy killed the fuck out of Ravanna when he rose, why couldn't they do the same to the others?
I really need to get that story and read it.
I apologize to the board for totally derailing the thread. Dr. Gee fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 02:22 AM.
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This one time, at Mortious camp:
Aren't they extremely weak when they first rise? The others had time to feed perhaps?I really need to get that story and read it.
That would make sense, but Ravanna had been up and about for the better part of a week. Hell, the Technocracy initially dropped a bloody nuclear bomb on him (a spirit nuke, but same concept) and it more or less just pissed him off; he finally died after fighting three Kuei-Jin Boddhisatvas (or however the hell you spell that) for three days/nights, slew two in the process, and was destroyed by sunlight bounced off of three satellites (as he had conjure dup a monsoon to block out the sun over Bangladesh, where the fighting was taking place).
So...that doesn't really sound that weak. I dunno.
I coulda sworn Ravnos woke up, and then went down, taking his children and most of Bangladesh with him. Not quite as lame as the bit where a pack of goons launched obfuscated nukes at New York, in an effort to kill Tzimisce himself, who was under New York, waiting in Torpor. (And what the fuck? Why would an Antidiluvian choose New York? Its not like it would be the most restful place to nap away an eon or two. And the HUUUGE Vamp population of the city would not let him sleep peacefully. The Potent blood being spilled nightly from vampire vessels in New york would make it all to easy to be awakened early.)
Now I wanna go play Vampire again.
H8 U Lash.
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Dr. Gee had this to say about pies:
Good idea on saving Malkavian for last. I think i ruined the game for myself by going through as a Malkavian first. God some of those lines made me laugh to tears
Thanks for the warning. I was intending to start with a Malk when I finally manage to get the game but I'll wait a bit.
Can't help it.. that loony little bastard from the first V:tM game cemented my love of the insane bastards. 
God, Dev/Null was so awesome.
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From the book of Leopold, chapter 3, verse 16:
"Pink? Assamighty strange name!"
That must have been lost in the German translation, though. =/
My second character was a little bit better, pissing off several werewolf clans in the process of feeding at night (didn't know I was being watched.) They followed me to the safe house and proceeded to kill all the vampires there, leaving me alone to fight them (5 of them, don't remember the clan though.) I was able to seriously wound three of them before they started shooting holes in the walls to allow the sun inside. I fought them to the door and threw myself at them, knocking us all through the door and causing myself to go unbalanced (I threw all my chi into Yang) killing four of them and dieing in the process.
My third one actually lasted along time, long enough to become a clan elder and start an all out war with the werewolf clans there before the GM left.
UBT fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 03:36 PM.
OH ! To stay on subject a bit more, I have the full series of Kindred the Embraced on tape! 
From what I understand, Requiem is part of the larger WoD reboot; it's meant to make all of the "branches" playable together, without the glaring problems you had the first time around. Likewise, rather than writing exceptions constantly (IE the KoE/Hengeyokai fringers), they're trying to make the ruleset all-inclusive and more open out of the gate (a philosophy White Wolf probably picked up from their interaction with WotC/d20).
Likewise, I don't see why you're so upset Longinus is mentioned in this. Longinus was mentioned in assorted Vampire Dark Ages supplements.
I'd rather them have a cohesive story this go around rather than the "nail on another layer" mentality the story in the original WoD. For instance, right out of the gate Caine was the cause of the Vampire race. By Gehenna (the last sourcebook), Lilith was incorporated in every version of The End except for one. So what was her deal? How did Set and Osiris (there was a clan based around Osiris, but they were more or less completely whacked by the Setites) come about? And if you think THAT shit is whack, wait til you add in the Shifting Breeds explanation for shit. And if it wasn't weird enough, let's add in Mage (FYI: at the end of the WoD MK 1, Lilith was a shapeshifting vampire mage). Too silly? Add Wraith. Not silly enough? Add Changeling.
I can't BELIEVE I'm saying this, given my love/hate relationship with WoD, but I'm going to hold judgment on Requiem and give it a chance. The flavor of WoD's ideas was always good, but it was too far based around the INESCAPEABLE END OF ALL THINGS, and they weren't prepared for success and it bit them in the ass when it came to getting the overall story straight (they all-too-often hid behind the "storyteller can change this" sort of mentality).
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Err yeah Malbi fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 03:58 PM.
a good comparison would be the Final fantasy games, yes you get your mogs and chocobos and summons in each game but the worlds totally differant and unrelated to the previous ones, (FFX-2 is the exception to that rule)
The Battle of the Ancients
Tremere: That's it Haqim! I've had it with you! You'll DIE!!!
Haqim: Says you! Pfff...
Tremere: Oh yeah! Thaumaturgy 10, Lure of Flames! I whipe you all the way to Asia!
Haqim: Celerity 10. I'm dodging and standing in the middle of the ocean!
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10, Power of Neptune. I vaporize the ocean.
Haqim: Quietus 10. What ocean?
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10, Movement of the Mind. I drop the moon on the rest of the ocean.
Lasombra: My turn! Obtenebration 9. What moon?
Tremere: Auspex 10. THAT moon!
Lasombra: I give up...
Haqim: Uh, shit. Errrrrrr... Quietus 10!
Tremere: Here comes the big, round stoneball, baby!
Haqim gets smashed
Brujah: Didn't he use Quietus 10?
Nosferatu: Yes, and it was a surprisingly silent smash... stupid disciplin.
Tremere: Lasombra...
Lasombra: Errrrr... Tzimisce's turn!
Tzimisce: Vicisitude 10. Try that moonsmashtrick again, wizzyboy!
Tremere: Hmm.. Ventrue?
Ventrue: Domination 10. Who's yer Daddy?
Tzimisce: You are my Daddy!
Lasombra: My turn! Feel the pain!
Ventrue: Fortitude 10! What pain?
Lasombra: Obtenebration 10! I hope you like dark places.
Ventrue: Fuck.
Ventrue vanishes
Lasombra: I ALWAYS wanted to do that once.
Tzimisce: Vicisitude 10: You're a little ball of cheese, now.
Little Ball of Cheese: Why?
Tzimisce: Ventrue appearantly still has the power... Read dominate 10 please.
Little Ball of Cheese: Darn, he's right.
Tzimisce: Animalism 10. A horde of cheeseeating mice.
Little Ball of Cheese: Obtenebration 10. I'm the Shadow of a little ball of cheese.
Tzimisce: You, Tremere!
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10, Lure of Flames. You mean, the shadow of a fondue.
Little ball of cheese: *melt*
Nosferatu: Animalism 10. That's MY horde of mice!
Tzimisce: Animalism 10. MINE!
Nosferatu: MINE!
Tzimisce: Give it to me!
Brujah: Celerity 10 AND Potence 10. I crunch Tzimisce and Nosferatu while they are arguing bout the mice.
Nosferatu: Urks. (dies)
Tzimisce: Urks. (Remorphes himself) I just LOVE Vicisitude 10!
Brujah: Oh dear...
Tzimisce: Now the mice are MINE!
Masked Avenger appears out of nothing.
Masked Avenger: You will all die, for cooperating with our enemies! Or, in some cases, for BEING our enemies!
Ennoia: Who the fuck are you any way?
Masked Avenger: Oh, s'rry, I'm too early.
Masked Avenger disappeares.
Tzimisce: Not even the first Masked Avenger, who ever he might be, can stop me!!!
Arikel: Auspex 10. What can one do to stop someone with Vicisitude 10? Oh! Diablery!
Tremere: Thaumaturgy or so. I lower Arikels generation a bit.
Brujah: Potence 10. I deliver Tzimisce a crossfire of punches!
Tzimisce: Vicisitude 10. I can ignore that...
Ennoia: Animalism 10: My Mice.
Tzimisce: Mine!!
Tremere: Quick Arikel. Diablerise Tzimisce while he's distracted!
Augustus: Necromancy 10, Path of bones! The dead have risen - and elect the Republicans!
Tremere: Will you guys ever stop caring about transitory power?
Augustus: hmm... Nah!
Malkav: Dementation 10! Everybody becomes deranged!
*silence*
*More silence*
Brujah: Do you feel something, Ennoia?
Ennoia: Nope... You?
Brujah: Nah... Tremere?
Tremere: No...
Augustus: Me neither!
Brujah: Who asked you?!
Malkav: Hmpf... Botch.
Tzimisce: Well, I *rattle*
Arikel: (Drops Tzimisces diablerised body onto the floor.) I feel so... different!
Ennoia: Okay, that takes care of that one... MY mice.
Arikel: I've got Animalism 10 now too! MINE!
Malkav: Bitchfight!!!
Brujah: Actually it's Micefight.
Augustus: How amusing.
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10 Hands of destruction. I kill these freaked mice!
Arikel: Wuaaaaaah!
Augustus: Zombiemice!
Ennoia: Bastards.
Masked Avenger 1, 2 and 3 appear
Masked Avenger 2: Prepare for your definite death through the hands of the Masked Avengers!
Masked Avenger 3: Especially you Tremere!
Masked Avenger 2: Nah, especially YOU Augustus!
Masked Avenger 3: Tremere!
Masked Avenger 2: Augustus!
Ennoia: Anyhow... who are you, clowns?
Masked Avenger 3: That's a secret! That's where the masks are for!!!
Brujah: Talking bout masks, why does yours have THREE eyeholes?
Masked Avenger 3: Ha! To be different!
Brujah: So where's the point of wearing a mask?
Masked Avenger 1: You always were a clever a****...
Brujah: Potence 10: I crunch the first Masked Avenger.
Masked Avenger 1: Aw. (dies)
Masked Avenger 2: We, being the other Masked Avengers, aren't that easy to defeat! We'll get our revenge!
Especially YOU Augustus!
Masked Avenger 3: Tremere!
Masked Avenger 2: Augustus!
Augustus: can't we just get rid of those idiots?
Tremere: Sure. You take that dude with the three holes in his mask and I'll get the moron who pretends to be my arch enemy.
Masked Avenger 3: I, the one with the three eyes, am your arch enemy, Tremere!
Tremere: Oh yeah? Is it? Whatever...
Augustus: Potence 10. I crunch the lad with the three eyes.
Masked Avenger 3: Fortitude 10. I soak that.
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10, Lure of Flames. I whipe out the Masked Avenger 2.
Masked Avenger 2: Fortitude 10. I soak that.
Brujah: Like guests who don't want to leave...
Augustus: I can handle that easily: Necromancy 10, Path of Ashes. I summon the spirits of those who died in a tragically way.
The Spirits Of Those Who Died In A Tragically Way: We are here!
Augustus: Tell your Tragedies tot the Masked Avengers.
The Spirits Of Those Who Died In A Tragically Way do as they are told.
Masked Avenger 3: Oh the fear! I can't stand it!
Masked Avenger 3 commits suicide
Masked Avenger 2: Fascinating! I want to learn more!
Augustus: Spirits Of Those Who Died In A Tragically Way, return to the Shadowlands!
The Spirits Of Those Who Died In A Tragically Way do as they are told.
Masked Avenger 2: I must follow them to learn more!
Masked Avenger 2 commits suicide.
Arikel: Man, That took! But now we're ready. What's next?
Tremere: Auspex 10 and Thaumaturgy 10, Lure of Flames. I burn Set in that corner over there to ashes.
(Set burns to ashes)
Augustus: Letting the others fight and kill the winner? I am disgusted! Shocked!
Brujah: Shocked cause you didn't come up with that one?...
Augustus: and I regret it deeply!
Masked Avenger 1 appears
Masked Avenger 1: Prepare for your definite death through the hands of the Masked Avenger!
Brujah: Did you guys too have that feeling of a déjà vu sometimes?
Masked Avenger 1: All of the time!
Ennoia: Enough! Protean10. May I present you the sun, guys?
Tremere: Hah! Thaumaturgy 10, Untouchable weakness!
Masked Avenger 1 goes *fwoosh*
Brujah goes *fwoosh*
Malkav goes *fwoosh*
Arikel goes *fwoosh*
Augustus: Hah! You acted perfectly as I planned! But wait... !
Augustus goes *fwoosh*
Tremere: Thaumaturgy 10, Neptunes power. I whipe Ennoia.
Ennoia goes *fwoosh*
Tremere: Yahoooooooo, I did it! I won!!!
Ravnos: You forgot about me!
Tremere: You? Where the heck have you been?
Ravnos: I've kept in the background.
Tremere: And you weren't killed by the sun?
Ravnos: Fortitude 10, Baby. And errr... thank you for not killing my mice.
Tremere: Prepare to DIE!!!
Ravnos: Not so fast! Chimaera 10!
Tremere: Chimaerstry 10? You mean??...
Ravnos: You! "Reality". I bring us all into a role playing game!
Tremere: You wouldn't dare!
Ravnos: I already did.
Even though they are very stereotypical vampires. They live in castles and all their high-ranking members look just like Dracula.
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Mortious stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Tzimisce = best clan.Even though they are very stereotypical vampires. They live in castles and all their high-ranking members look just like Dracula.
Bah, the Tremere beat them anytime of the day.
And MAage's whhle conceptual reality thing wasn't so bad. And every campaign didn't have to be about the END OF ALL THINGS. There are a million things for Vampires to do, on an epic scale, and not so epic scale, without touching into Gehenna.
And all the branches were already playable together, with the exception of, maybe, Kuei-Jin (whom I was never parituclarly fond of as a PC character anyway).
I don't have a PROBLEM with Longinus or any historical figure being incorporated, dunnno what gave you that idea. I just don't likw the aspects taken on by VtR with so many new 'religions' (Crone, Longinus, Dracul) being put in there.
And how was the ruleset closed? WW's Golden Rule is printed in every bloody book they've released.
And Lilith had always been part of the Caine Myth. Lilith was cast out of Eden and grew poweruful in the Land of Nod as Queen of the assorted beasts. Caine gets cast out and hooks up with his dad's old girl, and while he was simply a blood-drinking, sun-fearing pale guy with fangs, she taught him tricks and things that become Disciplines. Lilith wasn't quite a vampire, though she may have suffered a similar fate in the Land of Nod. She appears in Werewolf (notably Verbena, I think?) lore, and I'm certain she's popped up in Mage somewhere. It makes sense that this woman who's had free reign.
As for Set, a theory for awhile by some was taht Set originally was a Nictuku (4th Gen Nosferatu who'd been Blood bound to Absimiliard), and diablerized Osiris.
Also, keep in mind, that up until the actual release of Gehenna, Gehenna was nothing but vague signs and prophecy. Most people couldn't even prove the Cain myth. Hell, Antediluvians were even uncertain for a time. The actual dates of Cain as a Bible figure don't really work if you take it literally, because other Antideluvians haved recorded as being far older than the 5980 some odd years old Caine would be.
If you want some REALLY fubared history, go talk to some Ravnos. But then, it makes sense that their history would be ungodly weird and confusing. The Ravnos in India consider themselves Kindred, but part of the Cathayan paradigm.
I LIKED the world because though there was this information out there, most of it was still hearsay.
And my problems with VtR so far aren't even just story wise, but the Clan Weaknesses seem not nearly as interesting.
If this post seems incoherent and improperly spelled, it's because I just woke up.
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Bah, the Tremere beat them anytime of the day.
My vote still lies with the Lasombra. They're smart and killed (theoreticly) their Antediluvian in advance. Didn't Diab him.
Besides I liked Lasombra style, weakness, and disciplines, was just such a neat clan. One of my favorite.
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UBT stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Assamites for the win!
You have to give credit to Haqim, he killed two second gneeration vampires while Human, and used their blood to become a vampire.
Lashanna fucked around with this message on 12-01-2004 at 05:30 PM.
[Edit]: To amend my previous post, Mekhet could have been Osiris. It's an Egyptian name (means 'amulet'), and Mekhet is mentioned as an Antediluvian, but is never mentioned as the founder of any particular clan.
Anyway. Pretend that VtM didn't exist and it's easier. (Especially since there are too many fucking blatant ties to VtM -- mentions of Camarilla and its failure, and my biggest annoyance, Molkavians... GRR. If you're going to so obviously emulated a VtM clan, keep the name ala Toreador, OR MAKE A NEW ONE UP GODDAMN IT. *Foams.*)
The cynical side in me says that Requiem will eventually have the wtf-yness of VtM's stories... but it's going to be released in several books which you can buy for the low low price of 20$ a pop, ala the Time of Thin Blood et cetera.
It seems to be geared to make it much more a necessity to have a character with a true... well, character. The ancient VtM vampire could be glossed over as "Camarilla, trained during the Victorian era to today with guns, patron of the arts since embrace," yadda yadda. By forcing the long-term-memory loss, a character that's ancient will end up with a "I forgot what I've been doing for the past millenia, but now I'm awake!" background that not a lot of STs will let fly (unless they plan to torment said character with said mysterious past.)
Conversely, characters can be very old without being excessively powerful. A character that was a millenia old in Masquerade would've likely had Disciplines out the ass unless they spent the entire time in topor. Requiem, you can be pretty damn ancient if you feel like it and actually play without skewing the game towards the "high end."
I like the new merit and flaw system, although pulling flaws from obscure books always made me happy. It's more work for a ST if they want to include some of the game-changing aspects now, which isn't really terrific, but.. yeah.
And who says Dracula and Longinus really exist? There's always people who lie, or who are insane, et cetera. I'm really hoping WW does something cool with those two and other vampires of note, as per VtM characters.
Whee ramblings my brain is fushia happy hi cheese
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Yeah, I agree. My favorite clans are Tremere, Assamite and Lasombra. Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 12-02-2004 at 02:25 AM.
Quiete a good thing, as I will have a character that I like to play with in Camarilla, neutral and Sabbat campaigns. 
