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Topic: Politeness
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-03-2004 05:30:13 AM
I've recently noticed a disturbing trend indicated here, especially in the youth, that essentially being a jackass has somehow become hip and the "in-thing" to do.

In the boards, I've heard tales of cursing at young people and slamming the door on them and thinking it's clever. This, we all agree, is pretty deplorable and low.

Then we come to the more socially acceptable example of people spraying Jehova's Witnesses with hoses or being invited to a Church function and laughing at their beliefs.

My question is: When did it become lame to be polite?

Sure, Jehova's Witnesses annoy me, too, especially since they tend to rant even when I tell them I'm already Catholic. When people knock at my door, sometimes I don't want to talk to them.

I don't spray them with hoses, I don't yell at them or curse at them, and I don't laugh at what they've chosen to do with their life.

Do you chase down a homosexual in the street? Do you not talk to a Jewish man? Do you cuss at a guy because he likes his burgers without onions? No?

Then why cuss at someone that chooses to support or a religion or live their life a certain way?

You don't have to agree with anything that anyone says, but you don't have to be a dick to get your disagreement across, either.

Some of the more intelligent may excuse this with the fear that it would lead to being walked all over. Meekness causes that. Politeness doesn't.

Some of the less intelligent, or younger, may think it makes you cool or rebellious. It makes you look like a dick. So there.

I know many of you may think this to be pointless, coming from me, of all people, but the message is the same: politeness, especially in real life, is good for the entire community and the entire human race.

Blindy.
Suicide (Also: Gay.)
posted 11-03-2004 05:34:18 AM
Because it's funny, and they can pretend to be better than them. DUH.
nem-x
posted 11-03-2004 05:37:16 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:

Do you cuss at a guy because he likes his burgers without onions?


Yes. Onion hating bastards. >:(

Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-03-2004 05:38:20 AM
quote:
Blindy. had this to say about Robocop:
Because it's funny, and they can pretend to be better than them. DUH.

Oh, okay, disregard everything I said, then. All in the name of humor

Yes, at all times, I am fully aware of the irony of whatever I post.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 11-03-2004 06:50:10 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Cuba:
Yes, at all times, I am fully aware of the irony of whatever I post.

Oh thats good, because I was wondering why Parce was preaching about how NOT to be a dick.

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Leopold
Porn maniac
posted 11-03-2004 06:50:40 AM
The simplest answer as I have observed it is that being impolite is cool because it's easier and, for most people, more entertaining. I think we see that regularly on EC, the difference being that here, it's typically taken in stride as just part of our general sense of humor. I know a big part of interactions between people (males especially) in my social groups were mostly-humorous insults and faux-fighting, because we understood that it was meant to be tongue in cheek. This seems to be the standard for the new generation; generally, we're thick-skinned enough around our peers that we just get used to treating everyone with a similarly half-serious front of insults and impoliteness, and it carries over into how many of us interact with other people, especially when we're still involved in another social group that supports that sort of thing.

I mean, Parce, offense unintended, but you're one of our board's posterchildren for typically only half-serious insulting. It comprises 95% of our AIM conversations. Sometimes it just gets out of hand, especially with newcomers who don't know what to expect.

That or you just have a big stupid doo-doo head.

"Leopold said it best. This is one of the few times someone besides me is right." -Mr. Parcelan
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-03-2004 07:30:12 AM
quote:
Manticore stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Oh thats good, because I was wondering why Parce was preaching about how NOT to be a dick.

A) The man that accuses me and Maradon of being fuckbuddies, unprovoked (both in the past and in the present, as I've never had a problem with you before you started picking fights with me), based solely because we were both Republicans, has no room to speak on this subject.

In the interests of keeping the peace, kindly never refer to me again and I will grant you the same.

B) It's more a guide for real life. EverCrest is a specific society. The outside world is another specific society.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-03-2004 07:38:44 AM
quote:
A sleep deprived Manticore stammered:
Oh thats good, because I was wondering why Parce was preaching about how NOT to be a dick.

... said the man with an insult as his signature.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 11-03-2004 07:51:03 AM
Tarquinn is a whore so Manticore's signature offends him.
JooJooFlop
Hungry Hungry Hippo
posted 11-03-2004 08:21:41 AM
If it makes you feel better, most of the time when someone on the internet claims they did something outrageously rude they're just making it up and saying what they wanted to have done if they wern't so timid and afraid of retribution.
I don't know how to be sexy. If I catch a girl looking at me and our eyes lock, I panic and open mine wider. Then I lick my lips and rub my genitals. And mouth the words "You're dead."
Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-03-2004 08:27:03 AM
quote:
Snoota stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Tarquinn is a whore so Manticore's signature offends him.

Yes, but I was worth every single cent you paid for me.
I will buy a new PC from the 1500 bucks you gave me that night.

Tarquinn fucked around with this message on 11-03-2004 at 08:27 AM.

~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Karnaj
Road Warrior Queef
posted 11-03-2004 09:49:14 AM
Simple answer: because it's easier to be a dick than raise valid criticisms of those people you mentioned. Criticism, especially of religion, requires legwork. So smart-ass kids ride the coat-tails of people who have raised intelligent criticisms and assume that me-tooing and being a dick is just as intelligent and valid.
That's the American Dream: to make your life into something you can sell. - Chuck Palahniuk, Haunted

Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith



Beer.

Lyinar Ka`Bael
Are you looking at my pine tree again?
posted 11-03-2004 10:09:29 AM
Because people are lazy, and they don't consider other people when they do what they do. They don't put themselves in the shoes of the person they might be hurting, or try to see things from their point of view. They don't use that melon on their heads and *think*, rather than just follow a knee-jerk reaction because it's the path of least resistance.


Lyinar Ka`Bael, Piney Fresh Druidess - Luclin

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-03-2004 11:49:34 AM
First and foremost, I think a lot of people talk big, but then don't actually do what they say they did. It's a bit of posturing/one-upsmanship. "Ha ha I spray Jehovah's Witnesses with the hose" "Ha ha I answer the door naked and ask them to participate in Satanic rituals." "Oh yeah? Well *I* cut their heads off, bury them in the yard, and use their bodies for pig feed."

They want to sound cool, so you get these increasingly ludicrous and obnoxious things. Half the stuff people profess to do borders on assault, and the other is offensive at the very least.

Likewise, it reflects a degree of immaturity. Every kid on the board is going to get annoyed when I say this, but teenagers are NOT ADULTS. If you live with your parents, are in high school, and don't hold down a real job, you are nowhere near being an adult. If you don't pay your own car insurance, you're not an adult. If you don't stress (or at least take seriously) over bills in a primary "I'm going to lose my house" sort of way, you are not an adult. There are college students on the boards who at times seem every bit as immature as my three-year-old nephew. And that's not a bad thing in most cases, because if you're going to be a goofball, do it while you can still get away with it.

But, as Lyinar so concisely put it, they don't use their head. My uncle Roger is a Jehovah's Witness. Great guy, wanted to be just like him when I was a kid. Does it upset me when people talk about doing terrible things to Jehovah's Witnesses? Not in a personal way, but it could. I remember cracking wise about someone's Mom here on the boards and it turned out (a third party informed me) that the guy's Mother was DEAD. Holy fucking SHIT! I scrambled to apologize and cover my ass. Unless you're a prick, you don't get your jollies from that sort of thing. But I didn't use my head there. People don't in a lot of cases.

Likewise, people are so desperate to fit in that they'll assume things. It's parallel to people who don't really know Snoota that well cracking wise about working at McDonald's or someone who doesn't really know Gydyon being a smartass about how all lawyers are evil bastards, or (my personal favorite on the list of "asshole, you don't know me, why are you assuming anything?" mistakes because it's like watching a train wreck) people who crack wise about the military to Bloodsage. It's the "hur hur must fit in, they all smartmouth, I can too about anything!" mentality.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Bacon369
Pancake
posted 11-03-2004 11:56:19 AM
Monkey's immitate what they see.
Most of your "rude" kids have asswipes for role models.
"He who pays the piper calls the tune."
Mr. Gainsborough
posted 11-03-2004 11:56:31 AM
quote:
How.... nem-x.... uughhhhhh:
Yes. Onion hating bastards. >

Friggin' Nem. Why you hatin' on me?

Mod
Pancake
posted 11-03-2004 12:01:16 PM
There have always been rude assholes around, a lot of people are simply immature and annoying and a lot of them learn how to behave sooner or later. Also this is the internet, people will come here and claim they did all the retarded things their peer groups whisper about doing and expect some sort of praise for it.
Life... is like a box of chocolates. A cheap, thoughtless, perfunctory gift that nobody ever asks for. Unreturnable, because all you get back is another box of chocolates. You're stuck with this undefinable whipped-mint crap that you mindlessly wolf down when there's nothing else left to eat. Sure, once in a while, there's a peanut butter cup, or an English toffee. But they're gone too fast, the taste is fleeting. So you end up with nothing but broken bits, filled with hardened jelly and teeth-crunching nuts, and if you're desperate enough to eat those, all you've got left is a... is an empty box... filled with useless, brown paper wrappers.
Bloodsage
Heart Attack
posted 11-03-2004 12:31:13 PM
quote:
Leopold's account was hax0red to write:
The simplest answer as I have observed it is that being impolite is cool because it's easier and, for most people, more entertaining. I think we see that regularly on EC, the difference being that here, it's typically taken in stride as just part of our general sense of humor. I know a big part of interactions between people (males especially) in my social groups were mostly-humorous insults and faux-fighting, because we understood that it was meant to be tongue in cheek. This seems to be the standard for the new generation; generally, we're thick-skinned enough around our peers that we just get used to treating everyone with a similarly half-serious front of insults and impoliteness, and it carries over into how many of us interact with other people, especially when we're still involved in another social group that supports that sort of thing.

I mean, Parce, offense unintended, but you're one of our board's posterchildren for typically only half-serious insulting. It comprises 95% of our AIM conversations. Sometimes it just gets out of hand, especially with newcomers who don't know what to expect.

That or you just have a big stupid doo-doo head.


Actually, research a phenomenon called "the dozens" and you'll see that such behavior is hardly an invention of the current generation of youth.

To reign is worth ambition, though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven.

--Satan, quoted by John Milton

Mortious
Gluttonous Overlard
posted 11-03-2004 12:55:04 PM
I'm always polite, at least in real life.

It's the assholes that take advantage of my politeness that really piss me off.

Sean
posted 11-03-2004 01:02:34 PM
quote:
Mortious had this to say about Pirotess:
I'm always polite, at least in real life.

It's the assholes that take advantage of my politeness that really piss me off.


Excuse me, do you have any Grey Poupon?

A Kansas City Shuffle is when everybody looks right, you go left.

It's not something people hear about.

frolicking imp
Pancake
posted 11-03-2004 01:07:21 PM
all i know is I cant stand rude people. I try to be polite to everyone, even if they've been rude to me. But you know, im not perfect and all and it is possible to catch me in a bad mood.

Though as far as spraying someone with a hose for thier religion? Lame. There is never a mood i could be found in that would bring to do this. Unless of course the Johovas witness at the door was my ex boyfriend matt. then maybe i'd et get a hose.

*A Nypmh hits you and steals your virginity*
Akiraiu Zenko
Is actually a giddy schoolgirl
posted 11-03-2004 01:24:58 PM
Onions rock. Especially grilled.
The artist formerly known as Zephyer Kyuukaze.
Delphi Aegis
Delphi. That's right. The oracle. Ask me anything. Anything about your underwear.
posted 11-03-2004 01:47:09 PM
I was having a problem with my local blockbuster a bit ago.. As in, the disc they gave me for THUG2 looked like it had been dragged across the street face down.. So I returned that and rented pikmin2 instead ( pikmin!).. When I went back to rent it again, there were two blockbuster boxes behind the display box.. I picked one up, and it magically happened to be THUG1, which I had already played.

I spent my 15 minute ride in the car over yelling at an invisible clerk for being a fucking dumbass and not putting the right game behind the right box because they weren't "Up in games", bitching that it would never happen with something like "Alien" and "Aliens".

But when I got there, I was nice, explained it with a bit of humour, got THUG2, and even apologized for not looking at the box before I took it to the counter.

Azakias
Never wore the pants, thus still wields the power of unused (_|_)
posted 11-03-2004 06:10:41 PM
Personally, I cant stand being preached to. And yes, I do sometimes fantasize about all sorts of evil, rude things I would love to do to people. Hell, I spend most of my day imagining what I would say to my supervisor if I only had the inclination to bitch him out.

Do I actually do it? No.

But when I tell someone knocking on my door to go away, I do it politely. When they dont listen, I get a little more mean. A third time, and I tell them they are harassing me and if they dont leave, I will call the police.

However, even the most devout bible thumpers will usually leave when first requested.

Azakias fucked around with this message on 11-03-2004 at 06:11 PM.

"Age by age have men stood up and said to the world, 'From what has come before me, I was forged, but I am new and greater than my forebears.' And so each man walks the world in ruin, abandoned and untried. Less than the whole of his being"
Snugglits
I LIKE TO ABUSE THE ALERT MOD BUTTON AND I ENJOY THE FLAVOR OF SWEET SWEET COCK.
posted 11-03-2004 06:23:44 PM
I'm usually very polite to total strangers. Friends are the people it's ok to be a dick to.
[b].sig removed by Mr. Parcelan[/b]
nem-x
posted 11-03-2004 06:25:13 PM
quote:
Mr. Gainsborough wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Friggin' Nem. Why you hatin' on me?

You a straight up buster.

Sentow, Maybe
Pancake
posted 11-03-2004 10:33:11 PM
quote:
Sean had this to say about Tron:
Excuse me, do you have any Grey Poupon?

Whoa. I haven't heard that in a while.
You rappin' cool, RQG!

Once more into the breach, my friends, once more. We'll close the wall with our dead. In peace, nothing so becomes a man as modesty and humility, but when the blast of war blows in our ears, then imitate the action of the tiger, summon up the blood, disguise fair nature with rage and lend the eye a terrible aspect.
Callalron
Hires people with hooks
posted 11-04-2004 01:04:19 AM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
people who crack wise about the military to Bloodsage. It's the "hur hur must fit in, they all smartmouth, I can too about anything!" mentality.

Those are my favorite people. It's like watching a crackhead hippy drive head on into three lanes of semi trucks on the freeway.

My second most favorite thing is people who try to crack wise about the military to ME. But no one's been stupid enough to bite that apple. YET. I still maintain my illusions.

Callalron
"When mankind finally discovers the center of the universe, a lot of people are going to be upset that it isn't them."
"If you give a man a fish he'll eat for a day. If you teach a man to fish he'll just go out and buy an ugly hat. But if you talk to a starving man about fish, then you've become a consultant."--Dogbert
Arvek, 41 Bounty Hunter
Vrook Lamar server
Kaiote
Shot in the Face
posted 11-04-2004 04:45:26 AM
I fear Bloodsage.

He's smarter than me, and he knows where I grew up..

he may know where I buried those Jehova's Witnesses...

Henry had been killed by a garden gnome.He had fallen off the roof onto that cheerful-looking figure. The gnome was made of concrete. Henry wasn't. - Dean Koontz, Velocity
Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 11-04-2004 08:13:11 AM
Parcelan, either you missed the apology I made in that thread, or I didn't post an apology. Either way, I had meant to apologize for that. Yet I find it funny that not even a week into my presence here, you had created a story that catered (in great detail) to the idea of me and drys being fuckbuddies. This, by the way, made me feel very welcome I must say.

And since I can imagine you saying something like, “Well, I wrote a story that was meant to be funny, and you said something along the lines of ‘I wondered where Maradon went... ’. Therefore I am justified.” I’ve already fabricated a response: How is it that writing a very exhaustive story suggesting that Drys and I were “fuckbuddies” is less offensive than a short sentence with a little face?

Edit: Oh yes, and you mentioned that I've accused you and Maradon of being "fuckbuddies" on more than one occasion-- I'd like to see where because I am only aware of one thread inwhich I said anything of the matter.

Manticore fucked around with this message on 11-04-2004 at 08:17 AM.

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-04-2004 10:50:06 AM
quote:
Manticore had this to say about Cuba:
How is it that writing a very exhaustive story suggesting that Drys and I were “fuckbuddies” is less offensive than a short sentence with a little face?

A) When did I write this?

B) Was it intensely humorous?

C) Were you satisfied with the customer service provided to you?

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-04-2004 10:57:50 AM
quote:
There was much rejoicing when Callalron said this:
Those are my favorite people. It's like watching a crackhead hippy drive head on into three lanes of semi trucks on the freeway.

EXACTLY. It's the same thing that makes me watch Maximum Exposure. You know something terrible is going to happen to people who probably deserve it. Instant karma.

quote:
My second most favorite thing is people who try to crack wise about the military to ME. But no one's been stupid enough to bite that apple. YET. I still maintain my illusions.

Your kung fu is the best and your rep precedes you.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Falaanla Marr
I AM HOT CHIX
posted 11-04-2004 11:24:49 AM
quote:
Delphi Aegis had this to say about John Romero:
I was having a problem with my local blockbuster a bit ago.. As in, the disc they gave me for THUG2 looked like it had been dragged across the street face down.. So I returned that and rented pikmin2 instead ( pikmin!).. When I went back to rent it again, there were two blockbuster boxes behind the display box.. I picked one up, and it magically happened to be THUG1, which I had already played.

I spent my 15 minute ride in the car over yelling at an invisible clerk for being a fucking dumbass and not putting the right game behind the right box because they weren't "Up in games", bitching that it would never happen with something like "Alien" and "Aliens".


It all depends on how the box for the game is marked. If the only difference (on the box the rental comes in) is a number and the title doesn't have a good bit of difference, then yes they will get behind the wrong box on the shelf sometimes.

The person that's really at fault here is the clerk behind the counter -- they're supposed to open the game and verify that what is in the case is correct and make sure you know what you're renting before you rent it. I worked at a Blockbuster for awhile, and know a couple others here on the board have also.

Manticore
Not Much Fun Anymore
posted 11-04-2004 11:42:52 AM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan painfully thought these words up:
A) When did I write this?

B) Was it intensely humorous?

C) Were you satisfied with the customer service provided to you?


A) Probably in March.

B) Everyone ELSE had a good laugh, I didn't say that it bothered me because I didn't want to be a spoil sport.

C)When you say Customer service, do you mean the literature? If so, see B.

"France tried to turtle, but Hitler did a tank rush before they were ready. Just shows how horribly unbalanced real life is. They should release a patch."
Mr. Parcelan
posted 11-04-2004 12:57:44 PM
Are you talking about this?

That wasn't you, sorry to say, and you were never intended to be a part of it. It was a fanciful romp about Drysart being raped by a manticore, the mythical half-lion, half-man, half-dragon creature.

Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael
I posted in a title changing thread.
posted 11-04-2004 01:47:36 PM
quote:
Mr. Parcelan painfully thought these words up:
Are you talking about this?

That wasn't you, sorry to say, and you were never intended to be a part of it. It was a fanciful romp about Drysart being raped by a manticore, the mythical half-lion, half-man, half-dragon creature.


Dude...I think this is the first time a newbie ever bitched about getting into a Parcelan story when they weren't actually posting (Manticore registered on the 14th of March, that turned up on the 6th of April) actively yet. "ALL REFERENCES TO MANTICORES MUST MEAN ME!"

Comedy freakin' gold.

Lyinar's sweetie and don't you forget it!*
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die. -Roy Batty
*Also Lyinar's attack panda

sigpic courtesy of This Guy, original modified by me

Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 11-04-2004 01:53:33 PM
Oh jesus, this is too funny.

Hey Manticore, did you see what these guys over here wrote about you?

quote:
The monster stalks through the forest in search of humans. Upon an encounter with a human, the manticore fires a volley of darts at the victim, who dies immediately.

They're calling you a murderer! You should sue for slander!

Zaza fucked around with this message on 11-04-2004 at 01:53 PM.

Tarquinn
Personally responsible for the decline of the American Dollar
posted 11-04-2004 01:57:27 PM
Holy shit, he can't be serious...
~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
Zaza
I don't give a damn.
posted 11-04-2004 02:02:47 PM
quote:
The logic train ran off the tracks when Tarquinn said:
Holy shit, he can't be serious...

I predict a "I was just pulling you guys along." reply when he realizes how badly he just misstepped.

Snoota
Now I am become Death, shatterer of worlds
posted 11-04-2004 02:54:38 PM
quote:
Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael's fortune cookie read:
Dude...I think this is the first time a newbie ever bitched about getting into a Parcelan story when they weren't actually posting (Manticore registered on the 14th of March, that turned up on the 6th of April) actively yet. "ALL REFERENCES TO MANTICORES MUST MEAN ME!"

Comedy freakin' gold.


lololol that's so funny guys, the way Manticore is whining about being in a thread before he even started posting, even though he posted in that thread.

Comedy freakin' gold!

Snoota fucked around with this message on 11-04-2004 at 02:55 PM.

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