do you reflect that there is no apparent reason for prices to be going up?
does gas economey matter to you in a car? and if so how much?
what is acceptable MPG for you?
If you could afford a new car RIGHT now would you buy a desiel that gets 50 mpg or would you get a SUV that gets 12? 14? 17?
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Karnaj spewed forth this undeniable truth:
Right now I'd buy an RX-8. 18-25 is balls better than my truck will ever be.
those are very nice cars, i test drove one 
dsgsd 26mpg in a metro.
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Check out the big brain on Somthor!
as prices go up do you find your self buying more and more premium gas?do you reflect that there is no apparent reason for prices to be going up?
does gas economey matter to you in a car? and if so how much?
what is acceptable MPG for you?
If you could afford a new car RIGHT now would you buy a desiel that gets 50 mpg or would you get a SUV that gets 12? 14? 17?
Unless my manual says to put premium in my car, I don't no matter what the price.
There's a very good reason for prices to go up, we are not building any new oil refineries. We could get oil for dirt cheap and gas prices would still be this expensive. All of the old refineries that die out are not replaced, so out problem will remain until that's fixed.
Yes it matters for me in my day-to-day driving. My regular car gets about 30mpg on the highway.
I just in fact bought a new car 2 weeks ago, the new Pontiac GTO. 17mpg city, about 34 highway. But that's a sports car and not driven all the time.
I would not get a SUV under any circumstances.
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Maho came out of the closet to say:
don't buy gas from Exxon-Mobil. If enough people stop buying from them, they'll have to lower prices to get business back. Being one of the larger companies, others will lower prices too in order to stay competitive.
Gasoline is a commodity product. Prices are determined by overall market conditions, not those of a single company.
Plus the gas thing would kill me. My Dad has a Jeep Wrangler and it's gas mileage is a financial disaster. And that's not even close to being the heaviest SUV out there. So how people could spend 40 bucks a week on gas is beyond me.
There is a freakish amount of price gouging going on, and when it starts happening, everyone gets in on it. Gas prices here in Indy last week, for regular unleaded (87 Octane) got to roughly $1.90 one day. They've eased back to around $1.84 as of today. However, when the price jumps to around a buck-ninety, prices on other things go up. Milk prices jump (thirty cents a gallon last week). That's not "passing on the jump in gas prices" to the consumer. That's them taking a little gouge based on a convenient excuse. And why are gas prices jumping right now? Arguably it's due to the wars in the Middle East. They always jump. But is there a fuel shortage? Not at all. Is there any sign there will be a fuel shortage? No!
So it comes down to the fuel companies thinking that they can nudge those prices up, and so long as they don't hit any big round numbers (say $2.00 a gallon) the American people will generally take it. Likewise they won't ever go down to $1.50 if they can at all help it because that's a rather expensive gain they have to explain a jump in when two months later the prices are hovering close to two bucks.
And when the fuel companies gouge, everyone else sticks their thumb in the pie. In that sense there should be even more regulations on gas prices. More accounting.
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Ja'Deth Issar Ka'bael had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
SUV's are looking less and less appealing to me on the whole Suburban SUV's (Jeep Cherokee) are more feasible, but Trail Blazers, Land Rovers, Blazers, things of that class in general and obviously heavier vehicles like Hummers are getting out of hand. Maybe I'm noticing it more with the drivers up here, but most don't know how to handle their vehicle, act like they're driving smaller cars (darting in and out of traffic) and so forth.Plus the gas thing would kill me. My Dad has a Jeep Wrangler and it's gas mileage is a financial disaster. And that's not even close to being the heaviest SUV out there. So how people could spend 40 bucks a week on gas is beyond me.
There is a freakish amount of price gouging going on, and when it starts happening, everyone gets in on it. Gas prices here in Indy last week, for regular unleaded (87 Octane) got to roughly $1.90 one day. They've eased back to around $1.84 as of today. However, when the price jumps to around a buck-ninety, prices on other things go up. Milk prices jump (thirty cents a gallon last week). That's not "passing on the jump in gas prices" to the consumer. That's them taking a little gouge based on a convenient excuse. And why are gas prices jumping right now? Arguably it's due to the wars in the Middle East. They always jump. But is there a fuel shortage? Not at all. Is there any sign there will be a fuel shortage? No!
So it comes down to the fuel companies thinking that they can nudge those prices up, and so long as they don't hit any big round numbers (say $2.00 a gallon) the American people will generally take it. Likewise they won't ever go down to $1.50 if they can at all help it because that's a rather expensive gain they have to explain a jump in when two months later the prices are hovering close to two bucks.
And when the fuel companies gouge, everyone else sticks their thumb in the pie. In that sense there should be even more regulations on gas prices. More accounting.
US$2/gallon is A$0.73/litre. You guys need to stop bitching about petrol prices...that's so cheap. Pvednes fucked around with this message on 05-03-2004 at 01:39 AM.
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Pvednes was listening to Cher while typing:
US$2/gallon is A$0.73/litre. You guys need to stop bitching about petrol prices...that's so cheap.
For us it's enough to take notice. I can't speak for countries other than my own.
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When the babel fish was in place, it was apparent Maho said:
I never will understand why American gas prices jump based on Middle East wars.
OPEC.
Oil price is somewhat standardized world-wide. Nina fucked around with this message on 05-03-2004 at 01:53 AM.
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Nina had this to say about Tron:
OPEC.Oil price is somewhat standardized world-wide.
Good point. Though the price in...Australia was it?? 73 cents a liter? kind of kills that idea.
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Nina fucked around with this message on 05-03-2004 at 02:00 AM.
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Nina came out of the closet to say:
OPEC.Oil price is somewhat standardized world-wide.
OPEC is only one part of what factors in the final price paid at the gas pump. Refinery capacity, made tighter by increasing environmental regulations, play a large part, and the fact that the value of the US Dollar has been dropping like a lead rock worldwide plays a huge part.
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A sleep deprived Pvednes stammered:
US$2/gallon is A$0.73/litre. You guys need to stop bitching about petrol prices...that's so cheap.
Well, let's do some math here. 3.54 liters (one U.S. gallon) times A$0.73 equals A$2.58 per gallon. Each A$ was worth US$0.72 at last market close. 2.58 times .72 equals US$1.86 when you round off.
Shit, the best price I can get in town at Costco, where I have to be member is $2.04/gallon.
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Callalron had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Well, let's do some math here. 3.54 liters (one U.S. gallon) times A$0.73 equals A$2.58 per gallon. Each A$ was worth US$0.72 at last market close. 2.58 times .72 equals US$1.86 when you round off.Shit, the best price I can get in town at Costco, where I have to be member is $2.04/gallon.
Here in S.D., CA, I get that price at ARCO.
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Maho wrote this then went back to looking for porn:
Here in S.D., CA, I get that price at ARCO.
Samn, At the arco's I go too, its like $2.09 if im lucky.
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Death of Rats had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Samn, At the arco's I go too, its like $2.09 if im lucky.
Guess there are some good things in east county.
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Verily, Anklebiter doth proclaim:
Holy shit, it's still at about $1.65~ here where I live. You other people are getting raped.
We're from California, nothing is cheap here.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java the thoughts aquire speed, the teeth acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
Anyway, I'm not an expert by any means, but I'm slightly better educated in this than most leymen.
What I've noticed:
Prices will start at about $0.10/L over floor price. (floor price is the break even point for a given price block, calculated using crude barrel price, taxes, shipping, volume that the stations are expected to sell, refining costs, overhead, etc. I don't calculate this.) Anyway, prices typically will start at $0.10/L over floor, then through competition daily, the prices will drop anywhere from $0.005 to $0.01 normally. A company will drop prices a little to try to get more volume, and then the competition follows. Rinse and repeat until the price gets to about $0.02 above floor. At this point, one chain will start a restoration, and jump back up to $0.10 above all at once. If they get support from a couple other chains, the market will normally follow. On occasion, this price restoration will fail a couple times and only finally succeed when the price is a couple cents under floor.
Now what's happened recently is that a new Wal*Mart owned station has opened locally and they've been EXTREMELY aggressive with pricing. Having $0.03 drops in price randomly, refusing to restore pricing for long periods at a time keeping market prices well below floor, and generally being ornery and uncooperative. It's a royal bitch.
That's the reason that prices trickle down and then jump up.
As for why there's a fairly consistent upwards trend in how high floor prices are, it's way beyond me. At a guess I'd say it's got a LOT to do with the rising cost of labour, rising cost of living, varying economy, and lots of other factors that I can't even dream of. Corporate has a couple VERY well educated and experienced folk to do the thinking for us here, so I don't worry about it. I just try to keep prices as competitive and near the rest of the market as I can, and jump on a restoration as soon as I can.
As to when I buy gas most? Right before a restoration. I fill up, or let my folks know to fill up.
No, Really. Bite me.
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Maho said this about your mom:
Good point. Though the price in...Australia was it?? 73 cents a liter? kind of kills that idea.
Different countries tax gas differently, while the pre-tax price may be pretty much the same everywhere the actual price to pay is a completely different matter.
I've been between the central coast of CA (San Luis Obispo) and LA. *shrug*
Makes me glad I can bike anywhere I need to.
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Reynar says po-ta-to, I say pa-ta-to:
I just in fact bought a new car 2 weeks ago, the new Pontiac GTO. 17mpg city, about 34 highway. But that's a sports car and not driven all the time.I would not get a SUV under any circumstances.
POST PICTURES!!!
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Everyone wondered WTF when BetaTested wrote:
I'm glad I have my truck now that averages about 19mpg city. Gas prices have been solid at 1.96-2.00 for the past two months. If I was still driving my BMW I'd be rolling over and taking a fucking telephone pole everytime I filled up, because it's 2.20 for premium, and my BMW runs like shit on anything less.
Does your BMW specifically say premium unleaded only?
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Kermitov stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
Does your BMW specifically say premium unleaded only?
Don't know about his BMW, but my BMW's (2000 323i) Owners manual says to always use premium.
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Cherveny thought this was the Ricky Martin Fan Club Forum and wrote:
Don't know about his BMW, but my BMW's (2000 323i) Owners manual says to always use premium.
Without knowing the specifics I would say it's a marketing ploy. The only vehicles I ever used premium in were a turbo Eclipse I had and a supercharged Mustang I drove for a while.
If your car is not turbo or supercharged and the compression is 10.5:1 or less you can probably use regular unleaded with no problem. The first tank or two will seem bad but once the computer finds the right values you'll be fine.
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Somthor had this to say about Captain Planet:
i tend to alt every other fil up with premium. I always prefered deisels to normal gas though.
changing the grade of your gas all the time is pointless. Either use premium or regular but switching between the two negates any advantages of premium... and you pay more
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I average about 36 mpg with my Civic. I don't save enough in gas that offsets the extra money I paid for a hybrid, but in the short term...I do shell out less money for gas.
Your hybrid only gets 36? Or did I read that wrong?
36 Isn't all that great. Kermitov fucked around with this message on 05-04-2004 at 04:33 PM.
BetaTested fucked around with this message on 05-04-2004 at 05:33 PM.
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Somthor had this to say about Pirotess:
they had those geo metros that were getting 60 mpg non hybrid and they have the deisels that get 50 mpg or so now
My dad's 1990 Geo Metro got 55mpg no matter how you drove it.
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Kermitov had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
My dad's 1990 Geo Metro got 55mpg no matter how you drove it.
oddly they were taken off the market becuse no one wnated to buy them
