What I'm going to do is list the platforms of each presidential candidate, in no particular order, in a point by point list. Anyone on the boards has the right to challenge a point, it's wording, or the omission of a point. with the abundance of liberal and conservative wackos on the boards, then end result will, I feel, be a fairly accurate and honest compromise. Then, the less knowledgable will be able to more clearly see that John Kerry is a hippie flag burning idiot.
Points can include specific bills, areas of focus, or individual beliefs pertainant to the operation of government from a president's perspective.
The new thing about this year is that there is no major independent candidate that I know of, so my list will include only Kerry and Bush, but again anyone can add or debate anything about the list. Try and remember that the goal of this thread is to produce an accurate portrayal of each candidate. That means keep the propaganda to a minimum. I'm not asking you to be able to provide a link to every bit of information you provide, but if you're claiming something preposterous you may be asked to back it up before anyone will believe you.
One final note, don't be afriad to post something you can't back up. General concensus also counts for something, and on that same note if you have prove to counter a point already posted, don't insult the person who posted the incorrect information, just shut the fuck up and let your proof speak for itself.
Without further adoooo, the list
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John Kerry
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whew. this requires more research than I thought. What a bad time for my one year subscription to rushlimbaugh.com to run out 
Someone else can start a bush checklist, or if there isn't one by the time I check this thread I'll start one if I have time [ 03-10-2004: Message edited by: Maradon! ]
Bush is against a 9/11 commission; then he's for it.
Bush is against an Iraq WMD investigation; then he's for it.
Bush is against nation building; then he's for it.
Bush is against deficits; then he's for them.
Bush is for free trade; then he's for tariffs on steel; then he's against them again.
Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli Palestinian conflict; then he pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
Bush is for states right to decide on gay marriage, then he is for changing the constitution.
Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't.
Bush first says that 'help is on the way' to the military ... then he cuts benefits
Bush-"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. Bush-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and I really don't care.
Bush claims to be in favor of the environment and then secretly starts drilling on Padre Island.
Bush talks about helping education and increases mandates while cutting funding.
Bush first says the U.S. won't negotiate with North Korea. Now he will
Bush goes to Bob Jones University. Then say's he shouldn't have.
Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote on whether to sanction military action against Iraq. Later Bush announced he would not call for a vote
Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up by the sailors. Bush later admits it was his advance team.
Bush was for fingerprinting and photographing Mexicans who enter the US. Bush after meeting with Pres. Fox, he's against it.
Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. - John Kenneth Galbraith
Kerry, Somthor is likly to Vote for him
Bush, Hell will freeze over likly before Somthor will vote for him.
That should make your choice simple 
http://www.foxnews.com/youdecide2004/index.html
Click "Eye on the Issues" on the right-hand side.
No point in doing all this work when it has been done for us.
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Maradon! stopped staring at Deedlit long enough to write:
Proponent of across-the-board tax hikes, particularly for corporations
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One last thing. This is your only point thats wrong about Kerry. He will keep Bush's tax cuts for the middle-class. He will repeal the tax cuts for those who make over $200,000.
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Zairing:
One last thing. This is your only point thats wrong about Kerry. He will keep Bush's tax cuts for the middle-class. He will repeal the tax cuts for those who make over $200,000.
A tax hike for the people who pay well over 90% of the total federal income is tantamount to "across the board"
At least try to phrase your claims in the form of a belief or administratorial trait.
For instance, instead of "Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't." say something like "Bush is in favor of cutting funding to police, fire, and emergency services."
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Maradon! had this to say about Optimus Prime:
A tax hike for the people who pay well over 90% of the total federal income is tantamount to "across the board"
I thought "across the board" meant everyone. If so, saying he is going to raise taxes across the board is wrong, and misleading. It neglects to mention that 90% of people who pay taxes wont have a tax increase.
Can you truly trust Zair? He supported the changing of Kentucky Fried Chicken to Kitchen Fresh Chicken. I don't want to have a fastfood place always be referred to as "my KFC kitchen."
...do you?
Anyway, the opposing tax plan that was unveiled cut taxes across the board, and somethingsomething. Their tax plan raised taxes 1% on the top 1% of the nation.
Anyway, so he lays out this diagram. Some guy making minimum wage gets x, a teacher making Y gets Q, and a doctor gets Z. Then this uuuuber wealthy guy getting 30 mil a year gets ABCDEF. Or whatever.
One of the interns says "The doctor. Yeah, the doctor went to school and had to pay for tuition and books and stuff. And for some reason, the market has placed the skills of the corporate executive at 30 million a year."
"It's called the veil of ignorance."
"What?"
"Imagine for a moment that you have no idea what anybody does, or how much of a socially valuable member of the community they are. Now design a tax plan. The veil of ignorance."
I love west wing.
I just want our next leader of the free world kinda guy to be able to speak in public, lie to the country, serve his term without going to war, not make an ass of himself constantly, and, of course, NOT do this:
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Maradon! was listening to Cher while typing:
I haven't even read your points yet, Zaire, but I couldn't help but notice that you've already started slinging mud instead of itemizing Bush's platform for re-election, which is precisely what I didn't want.At least try to phrase your claims in the form of a belief or administratorial trait.
For instance, instead of "Bush first says he'll provide money for first responders (fire, police, emergency), then he doesn't." say something like "Bush is in favor of cutting funding to police, fire, and emergency services."
Yeah thats fair enough.
Then the following:
"-Voted in favor of NAFTA, now claims to oppose it
-Voted in favor of No Child Left Behind, now claims to oppose it
-Voted in favor of The Patriot Act, now claims to oppose it
-Claims to personally oppose gay marriage, voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, now claims that it should be decided on the state level which is what the defense of marriage act would have allowed."
Should probably be rephrased simply as:
-Opposes NAFTA
-Opposes No Child Left Behind Act
-Opposes Patriot Act
-Beieves Gay marriage should be decided by the state
Mentioning previous stands is just an attempt to get a "Kerry Flip-flops" crack in there. It is just as relevent (or rather irrelevant) as what I had added (which by the way, was not my creation, but all true).
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Tal At Work had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
I dont give a shit one way or the other who the next presdident is. (in case you missed the typo, "presdident" means I'de vote for Kagrama)I just want our next leader of the free world kinda guy to be able to speak in public, lie to the country, serve his term without going to war, not make an ass of himself constantly, and, of course, NOT do this:
[xIMG]http://www.leefy.com/funny/bush-binoc.jpg[/IMG]
Or wave to Stevie Wonder.
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Tal At Work had this to say about Punky Brewster:
I just want our next leader of the free world kinda guy to be able to speak in public, lie to the country, serve his term without going to war, not make an ass of himself constantly, and, of course, NOT do this
It would be wiser to stay silent when you don't know what you're talking about.
Since, you know, it's the biggest fucking issue at the moment.
It's not something people hear about.
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Punky Brewster:
It would be wiser to stay silent when you don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah... Ok..
I havent seen Bush make an ass of himself?
I havent seen him stumble over speeches prepared for him?
I havent seen his feeble attempts at bullshitting this country for the past 4 years?
And I didnt see him go to war with Iraq, which accomplished not a god damn thing other than giving him a reason to increase military spending during his next term in office?
And most importantly, Parcie-poo.. When it comes to wanting Bush out of office, I know perfectly damned well what I am talking about. It is, after all, just my opinion.
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Tal At Work's unholy Backstreet Boys obsession manifested in:
And most importantly, Parcie-poo.. When it comes to wanting Bush out of office, I know perfectly damned well what I am talking about. It is, after all, just my opinion.
And we all know all opinions aren't equal.
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Tal At Work had this to say about Reading Rainbow:
I dont give a shit one way or the other who the next presdident is. (in case you missed the typo, "presdident" means I'de vote for Kagrama)I just want our next leader of the free world kinda guy to be able to speak in public, lie to the country, serve his term without going to war, not make an ass of himself constantly, and, of course, NOT do this:
My GOD! You're right! I'm definatley voting for Bush now that I've seen he knows how to use low light binoculars properly without blinding himself.
P.S. Since you're obviously of the simple mind, I shall use small words and simple phrases. Lens in middle. Circles on left or right let light in for dark places. Open circles in day mean bright light in binocular. Bright light in binocular mean blinded President. Open circles in dark mean light come in to make purdy picture brighter. Day time, lens closed good. Day time, lens open Bush need new eyes. [ 03-10-2004: Message edited by: Snoota ]
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Snoota stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
My GOD! You're right! I'm definatley voting for Bush now that I've seen he knows how to use low light binoculars properly without blinding himself.
Those aren't filters.
Those are caps.
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Tal At Work stopped beating up furries long enough to write:
Those aren't filters.
Those are caps.
No, they're filters. The lense is that black square between them. The binoculars a General hands the President to use are not the same binoculars you buy at WalMart.
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So quoth Snoota:
No, they're filters. The lense is that black square between them. The binoculars a General hands the President to use are not the same binoculars you buy at WalMart.
Now that makes not a bit of sense. Why would the general hand the Pres low light binocs during daytime?
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Tal At Work had this to say about pies:
Now that makes not a bit of sense. Why would the general hand the Pres low light binocs during daytime?
Because they can be used for two different purposes? God forbid the military create multi-use equipment 
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SnootaSnootaSnootaSnootaSnootaSnoota MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
My GOD! You're right! I'm definatley voting for Bush now that I've seen he knows how to use low light binoculars properly without blinding himself.
Quite a feat for someone who has trouble with pretzels.
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Tal At Work had this to say about Matthew Broderick:
Now that makes not a bit of sense. Why would the general hand the Pres low light binocs during daytime?
To play devil's advocate: A dual purpose pair of binocs means less to carry, and cheaper (Since one peice of equipment is better then two), and uh, ??? -> Profit!
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Ansrik Silverleaf had this to say about Pirotess:
No, it isn't. Most people don't earn > $200,000+.
WTF? Is America still in the depression?
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Mr. Parcelan had this to say about Knight Rider:
WTF? Is America still in the depression?
Yes.
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So quoth Mr. Parcelan:
WTF? Is America still in the depression?
Yeah, there was some faulty grammar in my part there.
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Somthor stumbled drunkenly to the keyboard and typed:
mmm heres a pro con check listKerry, Somthor is likly to Vote for him
Bush, Hell will freeze over likly before Somthor will vote for him.
That should make your choice simple
Absolutely. If I ever had any doubt about voting Bush, this just cleared it up.
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Drysart was naked while typing this:
Quite a feat for someone who has trouble with pretzels.
FREEDOM FRIES!
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Zair was listening to Cher while typing:
Mentioning previous stands is just an attempt to get a "Kerry Flip-flops" crack in there.
Then I guess this would be a bad time to bring up the fact that:
Kerry voted against the first Gulf War. But he now claims that he supported it.
Kerry voted for the second Gulf War. But he now claim that he opposes it.
Do we even need to bring up the fact that he's received more special interest money than anyone else in the Senate for the past 15 years?
Or the fact that his first wife was worth $300 million and his second wife is worth $700 million? Meaning he's probably even less connected to "real folks" than the President is. [ 03-11-2004: Message edited by: Callalron ]
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Callalron's fortune cookie read:Do we even need to bring up the fact that he's received more special interest money than anyone else in the Senate for the past 15 years?
Bush has taken more special interest money than Kerry can ever dream of.
Three cheers and a tiger for me!
/edit: And to be clear, Bush or the Republican Party? Big difference there.
/2nd edit: You do also realize that the Democrats tend to get more big money donors while the Republicans tend to get more small money donors? Surprised? Shocked the shit outta me too. [ 03-11-2004: Message edited by: Callalron ]
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The logic train ran off the tracks when Callalron said:/edit: And to be clear, Bush or the Republican Party? Big difference there.
Bush.
In regards to the "money making him less connected to the common people than Bush", that really doensn't make much sense. I would actually say that, yes, Bush is more connected with the "common people" but money has nothing to do with it. If one millionare has less than another millionare, that hardly connects him to the plights of people making $50,000 a year.
In regards to the "flip-flopping" on issues, Bush has done it too. See my first post.
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Callalron had this to say about Pirotess:/2nd edit: You do also realize that the Democrats tend to get more big money donors while the Republicans tend to get more small money donors? Surprised? Shocked the shit outta me too.
Actually I happened to hear that on TV today. You too, or weird coincidence?
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Callalron spewed forth this undeniable truth:
I first heard it several months ago. But I guess that's one of those stories that's got legs and can keep on getting repeated.
So you're conceding all your points then?
"Three cheers and a tiger for me!"
